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[blah, blah] Status of my Gender counseling

Started by Asche, August 14, 2014, 07:18:28 PM

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Asche

I've been to a gender counselor/therapist about 4 or 5 times.  Before my last visit, I realized I wasn't feeling any clearer about what or who I was.  We talked about it and agreed that I should stop, at least for a while.

The thing is, I kept feeling there was a disconnect.  The only possibilities she seemed to understand were to either stay as I am or to transition and that seemed to be what she was focussing on.  And when we ended, she kept saying, "you seem to be perfectly happy with where you are, so we don't really need to do anything,"  even though I said several times I didn't feel comfortable where I was.

I guess I feel like there's a disconnect in me between who I think I am and who I am underneath.  Every time I think I've got me figured out, something inside of me pops up and proves I don't.  It's sort of like if you've rented an apartment, and each time you've finished settling in and starting to feel at home, the management comes a long and says, "oops, we made a mistake, you're supposed to be in another apartment," which turns out to be in a different building, have a different layout and dimensions and faces a different way and maybe one has a tiny garden and the next doesn't but has a skylight.

And there's body dysphoria.  I don't like having a male body, but I don't know if I dislike it enough to go through the whole transition process, or whether I'd be any happier with the (quasi-)female body or role in society that I'd end up with.

So I'm not really comfortable where I am, I just haven't figured out where I might feel comfortable, or at least not as uncomfortable.

(Sometimes I wonder if I could find my own "somewhere over the rainbow" -- a life which isn't one "of quiet desperation" and maybe is even in color.  But I try not to think about it too much, since I probably can't and the wishing would just make me despare even more.)

I guess I should have put  "Content warning: lots of whining" at the top.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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helen2010

Asche

Sometimes it isn't you, it is the gender counsellor.  Some are just better skilled, more experienced, have better chemistry etc.  I have seen 6 gender counsellors and the very best  was some time ago.  She diagnosed me as trans* and gave me the confidence and awareness to move forward.  Houses and destinations change as we change.  I had to stop sweating over finding the right address.  Instead I have decided to take a walk, try on a few identities and learn which fits me best.  I have no idea if I am at the point which will become my final destination, but I do know that I am in the right place for me at this point in time.  Hell,  if it no longer seems to work, becomes uncomfortable or I yearn for something else, I will take a few steps in what looks like the best direction and see where that path will take me. 

btw I have a deep suspicion of boxes and walled rooms; blue, pink and all shades in between - find me a pavilion in the forest.  Let the flora and fauna add colour to my 'apartment'.

Safe travels

Aisla
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mrs izzy

Maybe it time to tell the therapist what you want to say?

Not tell the therapist what you think you want them to hear?

Sometime we get so stuck in wanting acceptance we end up trying to make everyone happy and not rock the boat.

My therapist could dish it out as much as I could give it.

They where blunt honest with me. Never held punches.

I do not think I ever had one secession where I had dry eyes.

I built my internal confidence of who I was, not what my parents, xwife, kids or friends wanted me to be.

To this day I hold them as part of my family.


Mrs. Izzy
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"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Susan522

"find me a pavilion in the forest.  Let the flora and fauna add colour to my 'apartment'."

How will you keep the weather out?  What will you do for heat?  Cuddle up with the local unicorn?
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helen2010

Susan522

:D :D.

You may be used to colder climes. I enjoy the warmer parts of the forest.  A Balinese style pavilion will do just fine.  Nothing as ostentatious as the pavilions of the Raj . You are welcome to visit but best not to cuddle the Unicorns, at least not until they establish your intentions.

Apologies to the OP for diverting their thread :)

Aisla
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Satinjoy

So back to the OP, my quite valid genderqueer and mtf body is not very apparent socially, not unless you read the nails and somehow see boobs.  So transitionally speaking, depending on your body and what it does with E, stealth can be achievable in the birth gender socially.... in other words, with much therapy, I have found a balance that deals with the body dysphoria, lets me live somewhat under the radar when I wish, and makes me fairly comfortable, within reason.

I agree, the right councilor may be key, and also, rigorous honesty with them.  The more experience the better, especially with those of us who may not wish to walk the full walk of a complete binary transition.  I sure don't, not unless drastic changes came, and even then, not full time.  Personally I am not a female trapped in a male body.  But that body dysphoria hurts, and genderqueer does work for me as a presentation.  My shrink has had GQ and all forms of trans before, so when I came in and could not be diagnosed into a box, it was not an issue.  According to traditional SOC, I am an anomaly.  Or possibly the original stage 4 Benjamin box.  But all of that means nothing except to get my hormones.

The point is, you find your gender core, and work from there.  But you need to be sure before changing your body.  Regret is a bit catastrophic.

My therapist is like Mrs Izzy's and I am seeing him Monday.  Its a year and a half now, terrific stuff still being learned.  I pay him well to tell me the truth.

Blessings.

As to forest visitors, our forest is quite wild, welcome to all, and quite untame.

This 6 foot fairy is watching quietly from the trees.  I care deeply about all in this place, as well as in the city.

Be well, my long, GQ nails are out....

Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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ativan

Quote from: Susan522 on August 14, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
"find me a pavilion in the forest.  Let the flora and fauna add colour to my 'apartment'."

How will you keep the weather out?  What will you do for heat?  Cuddle up with the local unicorn?
I would suppose keeping the weather out would be the way it is always kept out.
I suppose what we do for heat would be the same way we always do...
It's never a problem here, we live in our separate places, sometimes we prefer tree houses.
No apartment buildings that take care of your weather and heating needs, it isn't necessary.
What is the local unicorn? We all are unicorns and understand what that means to be one.
Cuddling is always an option when any of the unicorns here wish to...
The forest is a great place to make friends, for those who have found that quality within themselves.
That can be the more difficult thing and a bigger question than what to do if the weather changes...
Ativan.
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Shantel

Asche,
      My gut feeling is that your counselor has binary tunnel vision, she's saying that you have to be either male or female identified and there's no place in between. I would be inclined to bid her farewell given what you have said about your own inner feelings and find someone who accepts the concept that there are non-binary folks in this world. Very early on I had that same discussion with a noted trans woman sexologist here in Seattle who tried to unload that same mantra on me, insisting that is what society expects. I cut and ran from her because I'm not the least bit concerned about what society expects, it's what I expect that is important to me alone. and society will just have to get over it.
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Illuminess

My body dysphoria probably isn't as intense as many, but it's strong enough to know I'd rather be as close to female in form as possible. That's as binary as I'm going to get, really. My taste in fashion ranges between androgynous and darkly feminine (I made a post in the Fashion forum showing what I like).

I think if there's any amount of body dysphoria then it shouldn't go untreated. I could probably go on as I am, but I'd still have those days where I wish I had transitioned. I don't have a very masculine physique which I think has to do with being XXY (I don't know this for sure, but it certainly seems to be the case), and I've never been "one of the guys". I've just been me, existing in this strange body, expressing myself within the limits of the gender I've assumed. Those limits need to be lifted, and the only valid option I see is transition.

Femininity, to me, is not about clothing, makeup and partaking in women's social activities. It's a very intangible expression that is made apparent through each unique personality. You could wear jeans and a t-shirt, hang out at a sports bar, and talk politics, and still come across to everyone as female if that's who you are inside. Living up to social standards is for the birds.

Think about what's more prevalent in your mind. Which carries more weight? If it all seems very 50/50 then think about the circumstances of HRT and the permanent effects it has. If it's something you won't have a problem with then go for it. If it seems scary then give it another year of thought. There's nothing about my current physiology that I'm attached to, and I'm pretty sure I'm already infertile, but I have no interest in having kids. So, for me, I'm 100% ready for it.

It's never a good idea to take any huge leaps without absolute certainty. And, depending on what you're comfortable with, you can express your gender without HRT. If you find that's not enough, then it's probably time to take the next step. No need to rush anything.
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Shantel

Quote from: sororcaeli on August 16, 2014, 04:52:51 PM

It's never a good idea to take any huge leaps without absolute certainty. And, depending on what you're comfortable with, you can express your gender without HRT. If you find that's not enough, then it's probably time to take the next step. No need to rush anything.

I couldn't agree with this comment more! Over twenty years I just took it all in small increments and was able to keep my relationships in place by doing it that way too.
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ElioAyla

My therapist seems a bit more open to the idea of non binary gender identities, but she hasn't really said she is considering recommending T. I think I am going to flat out ask her at our next appointment, and explain how much I need it to make myself feel okay. I don't know if they are okay with prescribing hormones if the patient does not want to go full out in transitioning. I do not desire surgery of any sort. I want to take the T mainly to lower my voice, grow hair and develop in a more masculine way at the gym. I am a two spirited, very genderfluid person, but I am not at all happy with my body at the moment, and I have massive social dysphoria. Packing and using my STP have helped me in my personal, private dysphoria, but it doesn't change what people see when they look at me.  Binding just makes me look like a flat girl without the hormones.  :-\
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Shantel

Quote from: ElioAyla on August 16, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
My therapist seems a bit more open to the idea of non binary gender identities, but she hasn't really said she is considering recommending T. I think I am going to flat out ask her at our next appointment, and explain how much I need it to make myself feel okay. I don't know if they are okay with prescribing hormones if the patient does not want to go full out in transitioning. I do not desire surgery of any sort. I want to take the T mainly to lower my voice, grow hair and develop in a more masculine way at the gym. I am a two spirited, very genderfluid person, but I am not at all happy with my body at the moment, and I have massive social dysphoria. Packing and using my STP have helped me in my personal, private dysphoria, but it doesn't change what people see when they look at me.  Binding just makes me look like a flat girl without the hormones.  :-\

Tell her that and let her know that it is your expectation that it will happen soon. I've said elsewhere that counselors drag their feet quite often at your expense so sometimes you have to be specific about your plans and how soon you want to proceed.
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Taka

in the end, the patient will often have to tell the doctor what they need. never simply accept the medicine the doctor gives you. if it sounds like it might work, it's worth trying, but stop if it doesn't help or just does more damage. i'd do that if my options weren't so limited in my country's ridiculously binary system.
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