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I Hate Cheerleaders!

Started by RobinGee, August 15, 2014, 01:21:39 PM

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barbie

I also started crossdressing at my age of 38.
Probably sex is still important at that age. But other things also seem to matter. Such as subsistence and education of kids.
I gave up HRT several years ago for those relationship reasons.
Nowadays I wear skirts and heels at my home and work place.
These are what I am allowed to do, given the circumstance.
My wife is very supportive of me, as long as I take care of my kids and deposit salary in our bank account every month, with occasional extra incentives. I am very masculine regarding education of my kids, which my wife wants me to be. She alone can not handle our sons.

I think she sees a man whatever I wear. My kids are the same.

barbie~~
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Taka

cheerleading can be a little bit problematic. i think it's mostly about how advice is given.
advice that is presented as founded on a person's or that person's acquaintance's experience, can be helpful, even if it's not the right solution for the person who reads the advice.
advice without funding, solutions presented as the right thing to do, comments about what causes what or what a person should add or remove to their life, with no basis in the person's own experience, just won't help. it can be maddening, triggering, depressing, exhausting.

i have found my own answer to what i want, what i'm willing to sacrifice, how i want things to be in my life. for me it's easy to just skip all the irrelevant things that people might say without fully knowing my situation. or i can tell them why it won't work. but for people who are still looking for their solution, the best plan towards happiness, it can be damaging when others draw too quick conclusions and give advice without also presenting how they got to that conclusion, or why they think that solution might work.

cheering people on is good, but it's best not to do it before knowing whether they are moving in the right direction.
i'd just have a good laugh if someone told me i don't need any ffs when they saw my picture. i'd laugh even harder if they said i could use some here or there. but that's because i know it's the wrong solution, and can even easily explain why. i'm not insecure about how i look, and not asking for advice about that either. in other matters, like relationship and alternative ways of transitioning or expressing gender, it can get a whole lot more complicated, and mixing up things and giving advice about the wrong points will only make things more difficult for the person asking. rather than saying "there's your problem", ask if the person didn't say so themselves.
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CindyLouCovington

Everyone needs to make up their OWN MIND on important decisions in life, especially this one. Don't let anyone bully you into doing something you don't want to do. And don't fall into the trap of"Gee, these people are EXPERTS,THEY MUST KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING". THAT has gotten more people into trouble. Go with your instincts.True, they are not always 100% reliable. Sometimes what you think is the right choice is not. But if you take the time to find out all that you can, turn it over in your own mind as much as possible, you are more likely to make the right decision. Transitioning is not something to do on the spur of the moment, you need to give a GREAT DEAL of thought to it. And HRT is NOT without its risks.For one thing,MtF,  taking estrogen for as little as SIX MONTHS can render you PERMANENTLY STERILE. So if you then decide that you are really male, forget about starting a family.
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VeronicaLynn

I'd still like to see a forum where pushing HRT is off limits. There's some people that can't for one reason or another, or maybe just want to, but still need some other coping methods. People in those situations really don't want to hear about how much better you feel because you are on HRT, maybe one day they will be on HRT, but if that day is not sometime in the near future, it's really better not to think about it.
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Misato

Quote from: RobinGee on August 18, 2014, 09:47:45 PM
I don't really hate anybody.  I've just gotten a lot of flack.  I'm talking about people dismissing me fo not jumping on the transition train.

The fact also remains that I'm not totally sure where my gender comfort zone for myself is.  I'm somewhere between gender nonconforming straight male and non-op lesbian transwoman.  I might be bigender, or gender fluid or whatever.

My wife has said she'll support me no matter what.  But losing a lot of what makes me male makes her very sad.  She has said that if I needed to completely be female including SRS she'd end our marriage but remain friends.  She's not sure how far she's wiling to go less than that.  We're in a non medical exploration period and I can be as open as I choose to be with the exception of three people for specific reasons.  Unfortunately we live with two of them right now.

I had to drag myself kicking and screaming across the gender spectrum to find my place on it. I went from cross-dresser to bi-gender gender fluid to woman. I never even really hated my penis. Think of it more as a skin tag then anything. I also didn't want to transition because of my SO and was terrified I would lose her. I was co-dependent.

The marvelous thing is, not transitioning made me angery and made me weak against my alcoholism and I didn't know my SO nearly left me because of my anger and alcoholism. Transition was scary for her and there were many many many tears shed by her, but we get along the best now in our 10 year relationship. Part of that success is I became willing to lose her. I stopped carrying the blame for everything going wrong in our relationship which made her have to stand up and fight for our relationship too. Transition saved my relationship.

I do tend to be an advocate for embracing transition at one's own speed. I do this because I believe that denial, restraint, compromise very reliably lead to failure. Maybe your failure won't be told by anger or alcoholism. Maybe you're not codependent despite the vibe your post gives off. I don't know. Maybe you won't fail. But as someone who was very reluctant and careful with finding her own home on the gender spectrum even though anecdotes are not evidence, I do think I have an idea of the scope of what you're up against and it is huge.

I felt dismissed. At a group therapy session I was called miserable in my relationship. On that particular walk home I called my SO to rant about, "Oh my God those people!" I think my lack of will to listen was also influenced by me more often than not feeling like an alien in the trans community. Not hating my penis, not hating my male past made and makes me feel very odd and made me feel like most of the community doesn't get me so I wasn't in a place to listen to what they had to say. I knew better after all. I went so far as to tell my therapist that we had to proceed as if HRT did not exist. In hindsight I won't say those people in my group were right, but they were on the something.

Wish you the best of luck. And I hope you find a home on the gender spectrum of that suits you soon.
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KindOfBlue

I appreciate all of the great comments for me; so many resonate and I am glad to not feel alone.

It certainly throws a wrench in our decision-making when we have a spouse we love dearly who loves us! is able to see who we are, but just isn't able to completely embrace it.  For me, it adds to my shame and confusion that she is such a wonderful human being, and with all she provides I am not able to just be a normal husband.

I worried that I was wasting her time and asked her that this morning.  She said no, and I believe this to be true.  Every day we are together, we get to see each other, parent our kids together, put money in the bank. We are sick of moving and starting new jobs, so coming out is a decision that can't be undone.

Back to the OP's sentiment, there are multiple things that define my identity:

Gender
Spouse and Family
Career and creativity

I worry that gains in happiness from addressing the first can be offset by losses in the second and third.  Unemployment would make me bonkers in less than a week.

Finally, back to my relationship.  My wife cannot fully embrace me as a girl.  But gender-based attraction is just a part of our relationship.  A friendship that spans decades, our kids, our shared experiences, our memories of relatives that are no longer with us, our values, our common interests, our trust -- these are huge.  I was never the Brawny paper towel type and that is not what she married.  Until she insists on that, I have hope that things will work with time and moderation.
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barbie

Quote from: KindOfBlue on September 14, 2014, 09:05:15 AM
I appreciate all of the great comments for me; so many resonate and I am glad to not feel alone.

It certainly throws a wrench in our decision-making when we have a spouse we love dearly who loves us! is able to see who we are, but just isn't able to completely embrace it.  For me, it adds to my shame and confusion that she is such a wonderful human being, and with all she provides I am not able to just be a normal husband.

I worried that I was wasting her time and asked her that this morning.  She said no, and I believe this to be true.  Every day we are together, we get to see each other, parent our kids together, put money in the bank. We are sick of moving and starting new jobs, so coming out is a decision that can't be undone.

Back to the OP's sentiment, there are multiple things that define my identity:

Gender
Spouse and Family
Career and creativity

I worry that gains in happiness from addressing the first can be offset by losses in the second and third.  Unemployment would make me bonkers in less than a week.

Finally, back to my relationship.  My wife cannot fully embrace me as a girl.  But gender-based attraction is just a part of our relationship.  A friendship that spans decades, our kids, our shared experiences, our memories of relatives that are no longer with us, our values, our common interests, our trust -- these are huge.  I was never the Brawny paper towel type and that is not what she married.  Until she insists on that, I have hope that things will work with time and moderation.

In any case, appearance is not so much critical. My inside and attitude makes people understand and accept me.

barbie~~
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helen2010

This is a great thread and really validating and supportive of those who are looking for a solution which meets their needs and those of their SO, family, etc

There are many options and approaches available to achieve the best possible outcome.  It is great to see that so many have found happiness through careful, considerate and respectful exploration of their needs and those of their partner.   The journey and process is confronting, fraught and emotional but success is worth pursuing.  It appears to be less  problematic for those who are non binary and while it may not always work,  when it does work, it appears to be well worth the effort.

Safe travels

Aisla
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Miharu Barbie

Hi Robin,

You are perfect exactly as you are!  Bask in and expand on the comfort that you experience in the love and acceptance that your wife extends to you.  You are so fortunate to be married to a woman who offers you support and acceptance to the limits of her comfort zone and beyond. 

The act of living and becoming is a process.  It sounds to me as though you are manifesting the full measure of the perfection that is you in that you are doing all the right things.  You have a loving wife.  You have a trusted therapist.  You're reaching out to others and asking yourself the hard questions.  And you are opening yourself up fully to accept whatever path presents itself to you, bringing you maximum net happiness even as you allow yourself to experience that happiness little by little.

Be aware that the path you follow today that leads you to genuine net happiness, may be very different from the path you follow a year from now, or 10 years from now.  It's in the nature of this process of living life that change and growth are constant companions and always will be.  Your future self will be perfect then, just as your present self is perfect right now.

Love you wife as she loves you.  Wish for her the happiness that she wishes for you.  Enjoy the process of becoming as it unfolds effortlessly.  And above all else, thank you, thank you, thank you for giving me this opportunity to remind myself of all that I've just reminded you of.

Hugs!
Miharu
FEAR IS NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!


HRT:                         June 1998
Full Time For Good:     November 1998
Never Looking Back:  Now!
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