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ftm who likes some female things vs. nonbinary

Started by kittylover, September 29, 2014, 07:42:23 AM

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kittylover

I'm pretty close to being ftm but I still like some female things. I still like wearing jewerly and I still wear leggings even though boys don't wear them because I like them. I also think I might keep my female birth name even though it would be kind of weird to be a man with a girl's name. I'm not sure if this means I'm just a sort of feminine guy or if i'm still non binary.
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Kaelin

Many in society will get hung up on the idea, but it is definitely possible to be a guy without conforming to the norms of the role.  FAABs are no exception.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: kittylover on September 29, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
I'm pretty close to being ftm but I still like some female things. I still like wearing jewerly and I still wear leggings even though boys don't wear them because I like them. I also think I might keep my female birth name even though it would be kind of weird to be a man with a girl's name. I'm not sure if this means I'm just a sort of feminine guy or if i'm still non binary.

In some ways, it doesn't matter, right? Once you've decided how you want to live and present, the label becomes unimportant.

Do you agree?
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Edge

Liking female things has nothing to do with one's gender despite what people who believe in gender roles claim. A cis guy can wear jewelry and leggings and is still be a guy. Why would it be any different for a trans guy?
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Dread_Faery

Objects and behaviours aren't inherently gendered, we've just arbitrarily decided this is the case. If you identify as male and a guy anything you do is masculine because it's you doing it.

At least that's my take on it.
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makipu

I only changed my gender to legally male and didn't bother with changing it to a typical male name. Instead, I changed it to the name I made up that has no reflection to my gender identity. I too like the "female" things such as accessories and clothes. I don't care for labels because I don't believe in the things society made up, I do need to use the terms so people can understand easier however. I identify as nonbinary male.
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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EchelonHunt

Maybe a gender-neutral name might be suitable? I had a female name that I was often called "Cinderella" as a nickname... yep, it was annoying. But I made the mistake of picking a masculine name (Jason) where I wish I could have changed to a more gender-neutral name (Jacey)

I too like feminine things. In fact, embracing my male identity made me realize that while I dislike experiencing body dysphoria about my female body, I do actually like traditionally feminine activities. Make-up, shopping, fashion, skirts, corsets, stockings, lingerie, boots, the whole thing!

In fact, when I was a miserable female, I rejected both being female and feminine things because I feared if I enjoyed those things, it would reaffirm that my identity was female (rather than male) I later learned that the hobbies you have, the interests you have, they aren't things to be gendered, they are just things you enjoy doing. :) So just be yourself and enjoy what you enjoy!

I was a feminine FtM, I enjoyed cross-dressing much to the horror of my then-partner who was intensely phobic of crossdressers and anything remotely feminine (makes me wonder what she saw in me!). She expected me to be stereotypical masculine cis-guy and sexist like she is which was something I've never been and I certainly wasn't going to change anytime soon. Now I am non-binary and free of being neither gender as I've learned trying to be male or female makes me miserable in the end due to the pressure and invisible rules enforced on both binary genders to act a certain way.
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Edge

Quote from: Dread_Faery on September 29, 2014, 09:04:58 AM
Objects and behaviours aren't inherently gendered, we've just arbitrarily decided this is the case. If you identify as male and a guy anything you do is masculine because it's you doing it.

At least that's my take on it.
That's my take too.
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Asche

Quote from: Dread_Faery on September 29, 2014, 09:04:58 AM
Objects and behaviours aren't inherently gendered, we've just arbitrarily decided this is the case. If you identify as male and a guy anything you do is masculine because it's you doing it.
And if you don't identify as any gender (but are male-bodied and are almost always identified as male), then is anything you do genderless but male-appearing?


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ativan

It is genderless. But to those who go by presentation as their guide to identifying gender, it might appear to be masculine.
Androgynous (not to be confused with androgyne) is often seen as a mix of masculine and feminine. But for some, it is also seen as genderless.
But that is the opinion of the observer, from your point of view, yes, it is indeed genderless.
It is very much cultural for most to assume a binary identity, but when faced with the dilemmas of choice, they usually will still default to one or the other binary.
But not all, those who follow the fashion world have a sense that androgynous models are genderless.
Outside of that circle of people, it might go either way.
But that is according to their world view and depends on whether they have an idea that there is something outside of the traditional gender rules of cis.
If you are swayed by others reactions, then you also assume their view to a degree.
You sound very confident in who you are, having recognized that it is the journey and are not easily swayed by others thinking.
Again, the answer is yes, it is genderless.
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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Gender roles are silly. A person is a gender because they identify as them.

You can like plenty of feminine things and be a man. Be whatever gender you feel like!
Gender roles are the worst thing!
Look up in the sky, it makes you feel so high!
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Taka

gendered hobbies is a weird invention. knitting and sewing are now "female" hobbies, but both were once jobs that more men did. cooking is the wife's job, but only for the short time after childbirth when she is at home at just the right time to make the food before the whole rest of the family come home from school or work. in all other cases, it seems like a rule that men are generally better at cooking. just look at who win those big competitions.
it's typically male to be a mechanic, but in some villages up north in norway, it's just the easiest education to take, and thus clustered with girls who don't fancy going to university just to get an ok job. and pretty much all the girls in my little brother's military camp are there as mechanics.

all toddlers prefer pink, boys only start disliking it when they learn there's a difference between girls and boys, and pink is somethink that identifies you as a girl. this is also the same time when girls start wearing only pink, at their own choice. my daughter didn't like mustard in school because all the other kids think it is yucky. she normally prefers that over ketchup at home.

gendered and other behavior is mostly learned from other (older) kids, and most don't even think about how, or even that this is happening. i wonder if the world would look different, if adult did nothing at all to encourage this behavior, and instead kept twlling the little kids that girl and boys can do exactly the same things. and that the only difference is that girls will grow boobs when they grow up, but that can be stopped with medicines for thoae who don't want it, and boys can get medicines to grow boobs when they're old enough to drive a car.

nobody ever tells kids those things though, so how will we ever manage to break down socially construed gender barriers. some "gendered" behaviors are probably natural and in either the genes or the hormones, but i don't think those have much to do with likes, dislikes, or hobbies.
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: kittylover on September 29, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
I'm pretty close to being ftm but I still like some female things. I still like wearing jewerly and I still wear leggings even though boys don't wear them because I like them. I also think I might keep my female birth name even though it would be kind of weird to be a man with a girl's name. I'm not sure if this means I'm just a sort of feminine guy or if i'm still non binary.

If its any help, I am a post-op mtf about 11 years now, so I am about as socially integrated into womankind as I suppose I can get. That being said I still like doing things from my old life even though it seems weird to most women. I still love cars, driving them, buying and selling them, even driving on a race track.

Where is it all written down that everything in column a belong to one gender exclusively, while everything in column b belongs to the other? It's not. That's the kicker I think and the really cool thing about being a TG person, we get to break all of the rules. I myself am a fusion of my past and present. I cannot reject my past any more than I can reject the existence of the sun in the sky. So why force myself to adhere to a bunch of rules that have no bearing on the present state of civilization? So I evolved and became my own person. You should too, it's quite liberating.
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Asche

Quote from: Zumbagirl on September 30, 2014, 07:34:12 AM
I still love cars, driving them, buying and selling them, even driving on a race track.
FWIW, my (bio) sister is cis-female, and the biggest thing in her life these days are her Porsches.  Fixing them, driving them, racing them (well, it's more driving them fast on a course laid out on an empty parking lot -- she's a member of a Porsche-owners club.)

And one of my coworkers long ago had a VW Squareback (I'm dating myself) whose engine she had rebuilt by herself.

The main reason you don't see as many women as men in professional auto racing is -- (I'm sure you'd never guess) -- sexism.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Zumbagirl

Quote from: Asche on September 30, 2014, 08:09:10 AM
FWIW, my (bio) sister is cis-female, and the biggest thing in her life these days are her Porsches.  Fixing them, driving them, racing them (well, it's more driving them fast on a course laid out on an empty parking lot -- she's a member of a Porsche-owners club.)

And one of my coworkers long ago had a VW Squareback (I'm dating myself) whose engine she had rebuilt by herself.

The main reason you don't see as many women as men in professional auto racing is -- (I'm sure you'd never guess) -- sexism.


Wow that's amazing because I have been thinking long and hard of buying myself a "winter" fun car. I want something to drive on non snowy days but cold days, and I have been thinking of finding a Porsche I can work on myself and drive myself in the winter. When it's really cold and snowy I have a jeep to get around. I have been trying to keep my eyes open for a boxster s with a hardtop roof. I can put winter tires on myself. My other sports I have owned, Aston Martin, Maserati, corvette and lotus are all fun but absolutely worthless in cold weather. I know the mighty Porsche can take it though :)


The corvettes are nice but .25" of anything on the ground and they are done.
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