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Started by AnneB, September 21, 2014, 09:49:29 AM

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monica93304

Jess and Paula, thank you for your answers. I think that most of us if we never had the thought of being transgendered, we'd have a really hard time accepting living with FtM partner for the rest of our lives if we were exclusively attracted to females. 

But back to the OP, hang in there friend.  Life will get better. Surround yourself by good people and the rest will take care of itself.  The world doesn't end.
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DelKay

I find this kind of ironic. I hear people say that "you'll never truly be happy if you transition or marry someone of the same sex. You'll always want something else blah blah blah" is it me or is it fu$&ing ironic that our "loved ones" bring the most anguish and emotional frustration to the table when like a little acceptance from them would go more than a long way. :(
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AnonyMs

Quote from: Paula Christine on September 21, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
Thank you Izzy, and Megumi... but..  I am responsible for this... I did this to them, so, car, house, bills, insurance... I will forever be the provider, its just what I have to do.  Had I said, 31yrs ago, "well, it was nice meeting you, have a great life", and not  "hey, would you like to go out Wednesday?". things would have been much different, and I would not be -wanting- to provide for them.  Call me a sucker, call me a fool, call me anything you like, but it wont change what I feel I must do.
I would call you an woman of absolute honor and integrity.

I've faced a similar issue although fortunately its not ended so badly - but its not about them, its about me. I absolutely cannot break my promises and commitments, especial to my children, and I'm pretty sure I'd die first. I was certainly headed that way until recently with appalling levels of stress/depression and consequent serious health issues. Dying doesn't really help the situation either, and its been very hard to find a way forward. Life would have been so much easier if I could leave my responsibilities behind me, but its impossible. This is the root of all my problems.
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Eva Marie

My heart goes out to you Paula. My own long term marriage imploded when my ex-wife realized that I was serious about transitioning. We managed to remain friendly through the split.

My advice to you now is to be nice to yourself and give yourself time to get over this when the grief and sense of loss happens - and it will happen. You are pretty euphoric right now (and rightly so!) but as you move along you may find that your split may come crashing down on you when you least expect it - say you happen to go by a favorite place of the both of you or something happens to trigger your sadness. It has happened to me and it still occasionally hits me hard out of the blue.

Congratulations on breaking out of your shell!  :)
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Jess42

Quote from: DelKay on September 23, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
I find this kind of ironic. I hear people say that "you'll never truly be happy if you transition or marry someone of the same sex. You'll always want something else blah blah blah" is it me or is it fu$&ing ironic that our "loved ones" bring the most anguish and emotional frustration to the table when like a little acceptance from them would go more than a long way. :(

No one ever knows what truly makes someone else happy. We compare our lives and our happiness and tend to try to project that onto other's lives and happiness. And unfortunately the more someone supposedly loves us the more they try to project their views on us. I truly think they have the best intentions at in their hearts, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I know, I've walked that road. >:-)

Quote from: Paula Christine on September 23, 2014, 08:00:15 AM

Sadness and prayers for you that are also losing your spouses, and family. BV.. I am so sorry that yours.. could not endure it either..Jesse, you as well.. prayers going out for all those that are feeling this pain




And, yes.. there is a thing or two good from this.  The greatest of these, no longer being held captive by shame.

Paula

Please don't feel sorry for me Paula, the day the divorce was final was the best day of my life. I had finished my grieving which lasted about a day or so, then their was an actual future standing there in front of me with the door wide open and freedom was the reward. The day I signed the papers and made it final, I threw one helluva party. Kinda' like a wedding reception in reverse. ;)

Now that is a really good way to look at things. No more being bound by someone that is stifling your self expression and trying to live up to someone else's expectations.

BTW, for those of you MTF or FTM whose spouses stuck with them, What I wrote does not pertain to your situations. God bless your spouses for loving you no matter what. Truly loving who you are and not some image of who they think you should be. Ya'll all have something really special and I will go so far as to say that it is true love for one another. I may at first be a shock to them. It may be a really bumpy road in the beginning and so on, but they are still by your side and that is an amazingly beautiful thing.

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AnneB

another small update..  actually.. a couple small ones, and a pretty huge one..  (and this is going to be long again.. like a blog..)

My youngest, called me the other day, asked if I can come take her to the dentist thursday.. I said absolutely.. since mommy is going to be gone the whole week, would you like me to come stay there ., take you to school, work, dentist?  She said, no, she was going to try to be independent, but thursday is ok..  we talked about how school was going, problems with learning the math she had to do, getting a tutor.. few other things.. but, generally, a normal... um.. pre-outting conversation..  I did use something close to .. (deep breath) daddys voice, to keep her at ease.. 

Second thing.. Saturday, and Sunday.. I went shopping. dressed.. soccer mom style.. hair pretty nice, jeans, colored tee, my calf boot, no bra yet (big mistake, would not have been so bad if the stores didnt keep the temp so cool)..  bought a total of 16 new tops, blouses at Goodwill.. some really nice ones. a couple i really screwed up on sizes (note to self, you are NOT a medium!)  .. plus, one of the tops, a really pretty med. purple flannel (nah, you had to see it !  its was really nice!!)  Well, NEXT TIME I read the label, not just the GW tag..  yes, it said Large, but what i did NOT read, was "Miley Cyrus collection"..  tho it "looked" big enough, I could not even get it anywhere close to sitting on my shoulders..  If it was a Large, it was a Kids, or maybe even Juniors large..  smh.  (second note to self, unless the place is on fire, TRY EVERYTHING ON!).. 
the GW checkout girl struck up a conversation, first, did I find everything alright, how cute the tops were, .. I replied, I spotted several really nice boots but they were like.. size 6's and 7's..  ugh, some really small feet... she said, there are some cute ones but also small for her.  I mostly looked .. like a female, so she was talking to me like one.  Bagging the items, handing them to me, smiled, really nice, very warmly, said, Here ya go, dearie, I hope you have a wonderful day.   (almost broke down..) she saw me tear up.. smiled again..  ok, not my first time out, dressed (mostly), but the very first, i was .. spoken to, as a female.  I knew, she knew.  The store is close to where I live now, so I will be going there, much more.

Anyway.. 16 really nice tops, both long and short sleeved, building my wardrobe.  I have purged nearly all of my.. old.. clothes.. keeping a some dark sox for work, a pair of 505 jeans, and some sweatshirts.  Everything else.. gone.  I have to get a few more jeans, some nice slacks.. 

Next stop, walmart, and.. well. one of the .. eh, not so good things.. pushing the cart around... looking at quite a few things, all around, not just clothing.  Got several muttered comments from neanderthals as we passed, but, while I heard them, I ignored them, did not even turn to look at them for commenting.  Screw 'em!! 

Still at WM.. looking for black ankle boots for work, spotted some uber-cute med grey ankle boots, I could NOT pass up!  I knew, from my lil mistake of thicker socks with the first pair of heels i bought, to wear thinner ones, peds.. I did.. tried on a pair of 10.. fit and looked really nice.  Tried a 9.. uh uh, not a chance.  The right fit well, the left a bit tight.  But once on.. they fit well.  Cha-ching!  Into the cart.  along with some more sox.  Self check up.. bagged and headed out the door for home.

Ok, now.. the huge thing...  Mom, and I, had not talked pretty much after I came out to her mar 5th.. we talked.. the.. 8th or 9th i think.. and.. not again, until Sunday night.  7 months.. not a word.. no texts, calls, emails.. she had said, in March, she loved me, just would not condone what I was doing, not accept, or.. do anything to acknowledge me.  At that point, I think i said, then we have nothing more to talk about.
Well Sunday evening, she called me, in a seemingly normal call, "hadnt heard from you, wondering what you all are doing (so did not know I have left the house).. It became a 3 hour phone call, with. the first 2 hours, going badly.  quite a bit of raised voices, several, you just dont get it, yeah, I seemed normal because i was playing a part, I was pretending, I was lying, to myself and everyone else..  And I was not doing it anymore.  I told her, I had moved out, and I had been on HRT for 11months, that I no longer looked like the way she remembered me.  yeah, those 2 hours, not good.. 

Where it turned.. good..  I had been crying pretty hard.. trying to just.. speak.. I managed to whisper..  "you know, I love my name.. I mean, I really, love, my name.  Thank you, so much, for picking it.  But who am I named for?"
She told me "You are named Paula for your great aunt (who I really loved), and Christine, well, she was my best friend that lived across the street, and I really like her name"  hmmmm, ok.. I'll buy that.. (It's one of our family names.. we have about 6 or 7 girls, and boys names that are in nearly every family members names.. Marie, Ann, Christine, Margaret, Mary..  Joseph, Michael, John, Stephen/Steven).  I said that, it is the name, I will be legally changing to, I hope by Jan 1st.  New Year, new beginnings.  Mom said, well you cant change your birth certificate name.  I replied, you can, in several states but NJ is not one, nor can I change my marker, "thank you Gov. Christie, you dirtbag" as NJ -requires- SRS to change a B/C marker.  It would have been either SRS or irreversibly chemically changed (HRT), but that was vetoed (thank you Gov. Christie, you dirtbag)  Mom asked if I would do it.  I said, "Mom.. I'm sorry if this hurts you, but, honestly, I think, if someone knocked on my door and told me, "hey, your surgery, is all paid for, and, (either) here are your letters, (or) we have done away with the two letter requirement, you're good to go"  I would be down the road so fast, I would stop aging.

She said, "well, it would hurt you more than it would hurt me.."  at first, I smiled.. then. giggled a little, a chuckle, she followed with a laugh, then a guffaw.. I skipped that and went right to full-on-laughing.  Here, my mom, after all the yelling and crying, and pleading the two hours before..  said something, so funny, yet, so poignant, profound, and relevant, I just could not keep from laughing.  We did nothing but laugh, back and forth for about 5 minutes.  It was the closest we had been in 7 months.

She asked, when was I able to come down to visit (I used to fly into her nearby city every week, rent a car, drive two hours to her house stay over night, fix a few things, then drive back to our destination city, and fly back out.)

She asked, when. could. I. come. to. vist.  Mom, you told me you can not see me dressed as a female, and I will not show up in guys clothes, it is just not going to happen.

"Well, dont have to wear a dress, you can wear jeans and a nice top.."  So, there is was.. the first opening, from her.  I can not believe what i heard.  I began to really tear, my voice cracked, could barely get out "well, thats ok, I'm not a dress-kinda girl, it is jeans and tees, sneakers or boots, that is my style" (think soccer mom).  She said, "that sounds fine".

So that was the opening, the offer, the outstretched hand, the.. olive branch, maybe?

My sister had told me months ago, she will not see me if I am dressed, in any fashion, nor will she let her kids see thier .. uncle.. that way either.  I had told her, "Well, I am sorry, then, you will not see me, at all"  I told mom this.  And since Mom watches my sisters kids (she lives right next door!), would she tell her that I am coming next month, and it does not matter what she tell them, but since mom has them for most of the afternoon, my sister will either have to make other arraingments, or tell the kids what is happening to their .. uncle..  (kids are like.. 5 and 10).  I said, "Mom, I really have changed.. a lot".  She said it didnt look like it as she saw a pic that I sent my sister.  I answered.. "that picture (I knew which one) was shot in january, Mom.. this.. is September.  But I have one from.. Sunday.."

"Send it to me, then, would you?"  The pic in question, is my avi..  <--- over there.   not -anything- like she has ever seen me look like before. So I emailed it to her.  I have not heard back.  Now, I think i look.. eh... ok.. not really passing yet.. no makeup, other than the lipgloss.. still a bit of work needed.. few more laser sessions.. but its me.. now.. today.. this moment.  I told my sister, "I will not send it to you.  If you want to see it, you will have to look in moms FB."  I told Mom, I will offer a link to Paul'as FB page (hate talking in 3rd person), I will leave it to you, if you want to veiw it, add me, or not.. I wont force this.  (well, she has not friended me yet)

I texted the "sis, make other plans for the kids that week, b/c I will be in the house, and while I wont be in a dress, I wont be in guys clothes.  She texted back, Mom told me."  but nothing else.  I am not changing anything to suit her.  1) ii isnt her house, 2) it isnt her life.  If she wants kids sheltered, she will have to keep them away from Grammy's those few days I will be there.

So..

* daughter talking to me again.
* shopped for clothes, cute tops and boots, got muttered comments, ignored them.
* spoken to, as if I were female,
* Mom, speaking to me again, reaching out, made a funny, asked me to visit,
* sister, still closed off.

A LOT has happened this weekend!!
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adrian

Paula, this is so awesome! The small and the big things. I'm very happy for you!
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AnneB

Thank you, I was... really floored, she asked me to visit.  She did say, well if you travel in uniform, you wouldnt be dressed as a girl.. I replied, I would not be in uniform if I was coming down on days off.  Mom just..  Oh..   so.. the push is still sort of there to look like I used to be, but it just isnt going to happen that way.  I would never go for shock-value anyway. that.. is just not me.

And the boots... OMG!   (swoon!)    LOL
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Jill F

Tearing up right now.

Big hugs, Paula!  Cute boots season is here, too.  YAY!

BTW- I'm in therapy again so I can finally get on a plane without completely freaking out.  That's the next demon that has to go.
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HeatherR

The obstacles of your past can become the gateways that lead to new beginnings.  ~Ralph Blum~



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AnneB

Thank you so much Jill, Heather (hugs, girl)and Adrian..  I am sorry if this upset you, both good and bad..  but it did not kill me, so it only made me stronger, right, Kelly Clarkson?  And, Jesse.. I know it will be .. a lot more difficult for the future, but we're strong, right?  I swear, btwn my sisters here and on FB.. I'm about as good as i can get, and have a LOT of shoulders  I can cry on!

On a bit of an unhappy note.. one of my best friends wives, who is also a terrific friend, says, she does not like what I am doing, can not accept, says I should pray more, ask for God's healing guidance.. the usual..  She says she will miss who i was but will not friend me as Paula.  I thanked her for her honesty, said I would expect nothing less.  But knowing, she does not accept, but he does, I will not be one to cause a rift between them, so I will just smile, and say goodbye to them both.

She did give me her email addy tho.. so.. maybe the door is not closed, just, not open.  But, I will not reply as.. well.. who I was.

Friends kept: 280+  Friends Lost: 4   Friends, Not Answering Yet: 6

What happens next?   A new appt to make with my Endo, saying, my life is now unrestricted, sooooo, let the girl-juice flow.  Another MMPI for my therapist in abt a month for a re-eval (should be a LOT better than couple months ago!), and a little more retail therapy..  a few skirts i think.. *sigh* yes, I said I'm more a bit of a tomboy, but some I've seen are really cute.  My color spectrum has increased by an order of magnitude!
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HeatherR

One thing you could try with someone overly religious just reminding them of their perspective.  That to be christian means to be Christ like, and that Christ was the one who hung out with the prostitutes and thieves because the holier than thou pharisees (who were the leaders of the churches) rejected Jesus so he then taught to the non believers and the Pharisees had him hung on the cross.  That was the response I got from a dear friend.
The obstacles of your past can become the gateways that lead to new beginnings.  ~Ralph Blum~



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AnneB

Hey, I like that..  it's going in my book of responses.  I realize tho, with the two of them, I can not win. and neither will they.   If I keep my bestie, she will get mad, or at least uncomfortable, if I drop him, he will be mad at her for causing it.. well.. you know what i mean..  *sigh*  I have no control anyone elses happiness.
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HeatherR

Those who mind, don't matter.  Those who matter, don't mind.

Words to live by hunny.  <3
The obstacles of your past can become the gateways that lead to new beginnings.  ~Ralph Blum~



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Jill F

Quote from: HeatherR on October 01, 2014, 02:10:43 PM
Those who mind, don't matter.  Those who matter, don't mind.

Words to live by hunny.  <3

So true. 

Quite honestly though, I misjudged a lot of people when I came out.  I have one friend who is a red state, religious conservative whom I thought I would lose instantly because of a homophobic tirade I had heard from him many years ago.  He was the FIRST one to get behind me, and we still talk for hours on the phone. 

I also had some friends and family tell me right away things like, "Are you f***ing crazy?", "You will end up regretting this.", "You need to check yourself in to the psych ward.", "Why can't you just take antidepressants.",  "You are going to end up dead in a ditch.", "Just suck it up.", and my favorite, "You are going to make one big, ugly woman.  Why would you ever do that to me?"

Within a week of processing this and me writing them all off, they all came back with their full support.  I guess the shock of it all threw them for a loop before they settled back down to earth.  At the end of the day, all I lost was a drunkle and a few ex-bandmates.  I left the light on and the back door open for them just in case, and I never burned a single bridge.

Some people just need time to think, and time may not heal all wounds, but it certainly doesn't hurt.  Paula, you don't have to make a call on this yet, just give it more time.

More hugs,
Jill
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LizMarie

Like Jill, I had some unexpected surprises when I came out. One of my brothers is a red neck city cop of the most conservative type, yet he was behind me from day one. We don't friend each other on FB because he hates my liberal politics and I'd remind him of just what his GOP buddies actually were doing, but otherwise we get along great.

The stunner though was my eldest son. My kids are all adults with their own children. And to be called "it" and then told that I should have gone ahead with the suicide because "it would have been easier on the rest of us" was a major shock.

All you can do, Paula, is live your own life. If they want to be part of it, they'll make the effort. And if they don't, you're better off without the heartache they'd bring.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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monica93304

Dear Paula.  I'm very proud of you.   It's certainly not a choice to be who we are.  But when push comes to shove, we do what we have to do. 


M.
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Jess42

Quote from: monica93304 on September 23, 2014, 07:52:09 PM
Jess and Paula, thank you for your answers. I think that most of us if we never had the thought of being transgendered, we'd have a really hard time accepting living with FtM partner for the rest of our lives if we were exclusively attracted to females. 

But back to the OP, hang in there friend.  Life will get better. Surround yourself by good people and the rest will take care of itself.  The world doesn't end.

I don't know. I have been called gay. I have been called lesbian and I have been called bi. Most people have no idea what being trans is. I am beginning to believe that we are totally misunderstood. No freakin' duh? Ya think? We are really misunderstood. I mean you like women  and are a female then that is OK if ou are male and like men then you are gay but if you a MTF and like women or FTM and like guys, it blows everyone's minds even psychologists and psychiatrists. So if trans is attracted to the same birth gender as they are, what does that make us? I say even though every Psychiatrist and psychologist claim Jungian, they are more Freudian. Sigmund Freud was worst off than just being trans. When I think Sigmund Freud the Doors and Jim Morrison's song, The End.  But seriously though I could be as happy with a FTM husband as much as I could be with a MTF wife or a cis husband  of cis wife of gay husband or lesbian wife. I really don't care how someone identifies as much as they can make me happy with themselves and myself. If they cam from Mars and green I could care less as long as they made me happy with tem first and happy with myself second.
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AnneB

Well, tonight, the inevitable happened..  a lawyer, for my wife, emailed me the separation and divorce papers.  I am both, very sad, and somewhat happy..  nah, not happy at all.  I knew this was coming, either her or I was going to do this, I knew it was -not- going to get better, nor go away.. so.. idk.. 

not even being gendered correctly over the last couple weeks, or finally being fulltime can make this any better.  so, resigned i am, to the inevitable..
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Jess42

Quote from: Paula Christine on October 30, 2014, 01:35:32 AM
Well, tonight, the inevitable happened..  a lawyer, for my wife, emailed me the separation and divorce papers.  I am both, very sad, and somewhat happy..  nah, not happy at all.  I knew this was coming, either her or I was going to do this, I knew it was -not- going to get better, nor go away.. so.. idk.. 

not even being gendered correctly over the last couple weeks, or finally being fulltime can make this any better.  so, resigned i am, to the inevitable..

Yeah I probably wouldn't say happy either. But look really deep down inside and you may find that "somewhat happy"? You may also find a sort of relief, maybe a little excitement for new found freedom? Surface emotions are so hard to break through but I will say one thing that no matter what, sometimes growth in life is painful. Sometimes in order to move forward, we have to leave the past.

What is the inevitable? Please nothing bad. Slow down and think of what you got ahead of you that is positive. Paula, you even said you knew it was coming. Either from you or her even. Sometimes we have to break free from the past in order to move ahead. It is truly hard for us because possibly our whole past is based on a lie, or a denial or just a false persona of who we really are. We have built whole lives, families and careers according to trying so hard to be someone that we can't eventually be anymore. You aren't alone though. Many have been through basically the same thing as you are going through now. Some my not agree with me on this but the worst lie we have told is not to others, but to ourselves. We have given our spouses and families happiness, security, good times and so on all while we have suffered in silence. And yeah it may not be fair to them, but we have been extremely unfair to ourselves and have sacrificed in some case so much. We caused our own suffering just by denying who we truly are and trying to be someone that others expect us to be. Now though, you can be true to yourself and that is a much bigger relief that you will feel when the sadness do to the grieving process is over. It will get better. So shed the tears, grieve and look ahead to the future.

The only advice that I can possibly give is to look ahead. Grieve for sure because it is a great loss but freedom to be who you are without repression or oppression of your self expression and own self identity is a tremendously wonderful thing and once the grieving process is over then this wondrous sense of freedom becomes way more apparent. So just hang in there, shed your tears and just try your best to look to the future.
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