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calico

While I didn't have my surgery with suporn, I will post hoping it is of some service, if you can't get to those notchs al I can say is wow  :o that is fantastic depth wise. I am almost at the th first notch on top (the only notch) which is plenty deep to accommodate my bf, I replaced my dilators from chet with these as chets are a bit small and sub-standard imo. I have recently  been using the orange only and don't have any issues with it. Also after a lot of study and talking to a couple people have cut back on my dilations now at 2 to 3 times a week for 1 hour and if I can manage more, mainly I did this because I am very sexually active. I am goin on 8 months post op now and feel I shouldn't have an issue, I kinda think the 2 times a day at an hour each is a bit much unless your a masochist(sp) but then again maybe he has it that way because of his dilators idk.
I insert with the curved tip up . At first the tip is going in straight then when I hit the bend I straighten out the dilator and insert the rest of the way. This work just right for me , sometimes I rotate it around as well.
It seems like your doing just fine  ;)
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Doctorwho?

Right usual compulsory (for me) disclaimer. I am a med student - so please do not take my comments as authoritative. I'm going hazard an answer here partly because I have some soul source dilators myself, and partly because I am just revising female reproductive anatomy for my exam on friday and answering this question has driven me go and look at the anatomical details again... :D So I apologise for the fact that unless you are an anatomy anorak the last part of this answer may not be of much interest. That said I personally find it fascinating ;D and it literally fills me with awe that someone figured this all out back in the early days.

I'm not a supporn girl because he was only a little boy when I had my corrective surgery, but I do have the same two soul-source dilators as you because I purchased them when my nearly 30 year old NHS set started to fall apart due to old age.

I don't dilate very often, but keep them handy because once in a while I like to check that all the inches are still there. – There are dots on the side and they represent the depth – the last one is 5.5in which would be standard depth – the middle notch would be 7 inches but remember to be at that depth that notch should be in the vaginal tube and not just between the labia... in other words it should be in beyond the vestibular opening and urethra, and not merely between your labia! That will make at least half an inch to an inch in difference.

Most people who think they have 7 inches actually only have about 6 because they measure from the wrong point. However as 6 inches is a good 2.5 inches longer than a natal female in un-stretched position that's not too bad really. The female vagina isn't actually that long – it just stretches very very easily. (well up to a point... of course if you try to deliver a babies head through it then you will find the limit of that - and may end up with an episiotomy scar (which incidentally I quite accidentally have... but that's another story!)

Normal result for post SRS depth are anything between 4 and 6 inches, and often the limit is not your tissue but the dimensions of your pubic opening and the resultant position and insertion angle of the neovaginal canal. If you have a female type pubic symphysis with a wide arch of greater than 90 degrees you will have a better positioned vaginal opening and a slightly better chance of a good depth. It does also depend slightly on how stretchy your tissue is – mine fairly like a natal in that whilst the relaxed length is nothing spectacular it stretches readily and thus can easily accommodate the full length of the biggest dilator (that extra stretchy tissue may possibly be an unexpected bonus from my having been intersexed).

The curved shape at the end is because a normal vaginal canal would be slightly ante-flexed by the cervix of a normal anteverted uterus. The uterus would normally lie superior and posterior to the bladder with the fundus palpable just above the pubic symphysis. By curving slightly the soul-source emulates the resultant vaginal shape. In terms of dynamic dilation obviously you can't twist them – but you can push them in and out ok. They should insert curve side up.

The anatomy involved in the construction of a neovagina is fascinating.

In a neovagina the uterine suspensory ligaments which would normally help to prevent prolapse will not exist. Thus suspension will rely on a knotting of the peritoneal faschia – possibly with the remains of the now inverted bucks fascia from the penis. The problem is the male lacks one of the two deep peritoneal pouches that would be found in the female. Females have a utero-vesical pouch and a utero rectal pouch –this give plenty of spare material with which to form a pseudo suspensory ligament for the vagina following hysterectomy.

In trans patients however there will only be the one recto-vesical pouch and thus there is not as much peritoneal membrane with which to work. The challenge for the surgeon is therefore to position the vaginal canal at an angle which both allows reasonable depth – but also allows the construction of an artificial suspensory ligament so that it does not prolapse post surgically.

Anyway - all of that is by way of saying no they aren't curved because the male pelvis is narrower - that is the way things should be, and the other dilators are slightly in accurate - but that won't matter for a natal female because the shape of a female vagina is established by all the normal suspension of the uterus. Thus the vagina is held in the right attitude because it is anchored well at both ends...

Well done if you waded through all that - and if there are any anatomists among us - please tell me if I got it right. :)
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Jenna Marie

The Soul Source dilators have those little indented dots on them as depth markers, positioned half an inch apart, starting at 3.5". Not that this matters if you're getting to the notches at the end. :) Those notches *can* be inserted, but they're meant as "handholds." (It's a lot more comfortable to grip there than elsewhere on the shaft.)

Brassard says never to rotate the dilators, but I'm not sure if that's true for Suporn's technique as well. Still, I'd be careful - that curve can put a fair amount of stress on the vagina if you're *turning* them as you must for dynamic dilation. Brassard also said to insert curved end up, and while this may not be the actual intent, I find that that curved tip makes it easier to slide the dilator past the pelvic bone and PC muscle when inserted with the curve pointed up.
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Vicky

What Jenna said about the markings on the Soul Source Dilators is what I have learned.  I am a Bowers Babe and I was told and discovered that in time you can rotate the boy with comfort and if sliding it or "cork screwing" it as you dilate can do some great stuff to the underside of your prostate gland.  (Think "O") I began doing it that way at about my 6th week when I got up to the green size, having gone purple and then blue for 10 days each, but it took me about 12 sessions before it would fully rotate inside, but now I have the same girth as I would with the orange one from the green feller.  As Jenna said, the single notch side of the dilator is UP as you insert it, but it can be done with the 3 notches up.  I judge depth by feeling where the white dot, which you can feel even through a glove, is in relation to my labia majora and or the labia minora.  If it disappears inside everything, you're a better woman than I am!!  (The white dot furthest from the end is resting at the "ring" near my labia minora.)  I am happy.
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Vicky

I think I am VERY glad Suporn turned me down as a patient three years ago.  My after care and dilation are soooooo darn simple compared to what you have described Cherrie.  Good luck for what you gotta do.
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Nicolette

Quote from: Cherrie on October 29, 2013, 07:38:06 AM
When inserting a vaginal douche or applicator I do notice that it's difficult to get past a certain point, but when it's past that it goes in more easily. But I don't really have a certain point that is difficult to get past when inserting a dilator.. It's hard to say where that certain point is located exactly (need to pay more attention next time), but I think it's deeper than where the pc muscle is.

That seems quite strange. However, the difference between a dilator and douche head is that the dilator will have lubricant placed on it. The douche head will tend to "stick" to the vaginal wall more. It does feel slightly more uncomfortable.
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LauraGirl

Hi Cherrie,

When did you have your surgery with dr Suporn? Just to know when I could start these large dildos.

Michelle34

I am look for the dialators that has color and notch on it were can I get a set of them please please email mkruger66@gmail.com thank you girls
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