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Are some trans guys a bit sexist, or is it just me?

Started by Manny, October 01, 2014, 04:16:11 PM

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Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
My point was adam was still here first, Not only the that reference but also that us men are head of the household, It may sound sexist but that also tells you that most people view woman as beneath man. Thats not to say I believe that but some people do. I do believe I am suppose to b the provider and what not.

I don't really think that the imagery of how Eve came to be matters I. The long run considering how women are treated in the Bible, which is what helps to perpetrate the treatment they receive.


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Brandon

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 03, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
If you can't see the latent sexism here, there's no hope for equality..

Or gay households?

I didn't say I agreed with that, And it states in the bible tha homosexuality is wrong , Thats why heres nothing in the bible about gay or lesbian households not that I see anything wrong with gays.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Brandon

Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on October 03, 2014, 02:46:48 PM
I don't really think that the imagery of how Eve came to be matters I. The long run considering how women are treated in the Bible, which is what helps to perpetrate the treatment they receive.

I know and I don't agree with how they are treated in the bible at all I am just stating why some may have thoes beliefs.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
Quote from: Jill F on October 03, 2014, 02:24:06 PM
What about lesbian househlods?

Well it said nothing about that and I am not gonna state why because it will offend some people.

You obviously have some issue with lesbians here..
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Brandon

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 03, 2014, 02:51:58 PM
Well it said nothing about that and I am not gonna state why because it will offend some people.


You obviously have some issue with lesbians here..

No I do not read my other post I just said I have no problem with homosexuals, But since God apparently doesn't agree with thats why theres nothing about that.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2014, 02:54:36 PM
No I do not read my other post I just said I have no problem with homosexuals, But since God apparently doesn't agree with thats why theres nothing about that.

This is not an issue of religion. This is an issue of being a decent human being.
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Brandon

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 03, 2014, 03:13:12 PM
This is not an issue of religion. This is an issue of being a decent human being.

And I already said I have no problem with homosexuals again.....
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Deinewelt

To the concept that males are the generally the protagonists-

I would argue that this is the sense that one will get when they identify with a particular gender.  If males feel like the protagonists, that is most likely because a person identifies as male internally; therefore, they see the world through a male view.  To me, I feel the other way around.  Take a second to feel fortunate that this is the case because the world would be pretty mundane if everybody was the same and saw the world through the same looking glass.  If that was the case, there would be no need for this interesting conversation.

To the assertion that it feels more correct for God to be a male than a female-

Depending upon your system of beliefs that you've created or adopted, many females and even males identify with a female Goddess.  Inversely, many females identify with a male God.  Sometimes this depends upon the system of beliefs that was adopted or even thought up.  Additionally, this could also depend on if your beliefs are monotheistic or polytheistic.  In my case, I consider myself polytheistic; therefore, there are both male Gods and female Goddesses.  I do not in any way impose or suggest that anyone adopt my system of beliefs.  In the more popular monotheistic religions, the supreme being is mostly characterized as Male.  This could be a result of the fact that males are physically dominant to females.  That being said, other types of animals do not share this trait.  While males are typically stronger, other species have not evolved the same way such that the social order is Matriarchal.

Because of the physical domination, a lot of sexism exists that tends to perceive males as being superior.  The fact is that both sexes are different and have different strengths and weaknesses without which the human race would not survive.  Yes many believe men are better, and many believe women are better; however, I would argue that this way of thinking only shows how limited we are in our own thinking.  The fact is that, as humans, we are social beings that require each other in order to succeed.  Yes, as individuals, we may value our own strengths above the strengths of others, and sometimes I think this is what it means to strongly identify as one gender vs. another.  But to completely think that the battle of sexes is won, the victory goes to <insert your preferred gender>, then I say you've missed something.  The truth is that it is ongoing.  We now live in an age where superior strength does not necessarily equate to superiority. 

Why would anybody want to be female?-

Given the idea that males are superior, the question seems to answer itself.  If it is better, why would anybody pick what is considered "worse".  The fact is that not everybody sees things the same way.  To me, being female feels better.  To me, being female also feels like a better fit for me.  I feel as though it is a place where I belong.  You have to try to look at other points of view. 
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Simon

Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2014, 02:54:36 PM
No I do not read my other post I just said I have no problem with homosexuals, But since God apparently doesn't agree with thats why theres nothing about that.

The Bible also says you shouldn't wear mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, wear cross-gender clothing, etc. You know how many Christians are against what we are doing to our bodies, because the Bible says it's an abomination for people to wear clothing meant for the opposite sex? Leave the Bible out of GLBT conversations, it doesn't belong there. 
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Brandon

Quote from: Simon on October 03, 2014, 04:11:47 PM
The Bible also says you shouldn't wear mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, wear cross-gender clothing, etc. You know how many Christians are against what we are doing to our bodies, because the Bible says it's an abomination for people to wear clothing meant for the opposite sex? Leave the Bible out of GLBT conversations, it doesn't belong there.


It actually says nothing about transgenders that was referring to crossdressers dude, technically we are wearing the right clothing, and my comment was not even at you someon asked why we refer to God as male and I explained so calm down.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Simon

Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
It actually says nothing about transgenders that was referring to crossdressers dude, technically we are wearing the right clothing, and my comment was not even at you someon asked why we refer to God as male and I explained so calm down.

I'm perfectly calm, don't assume my demeanor. It's easy to cherry pick the Bible, make things to suit your own way of thinking, people have done it for millennia. Most evangelicals would say that God created cis men & women with no room for variation. They would say we are playing God by changing his creation. You know it's true. I remember a long time ago you saying your mom was against transition.

All I am saying is to not toss God out into a discussion about GLBT people because it doesn't work. They would say if God intended for you to be a man he would have made you one physically, so how is it correct to point fingers at GLB people by using the same God?
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Brandon

Quote from: Simon on October 03, 2014, 05:16:15 PM
I'm perfectly calm, don't assume my demeanor. It's easy to cherry pick the Bible, make things to suit your own way of thinking, people have done it for millennia. Most evangelicals would say that God created cis men & women with no room for variation. They would say we are playing God by changing his creation. You know it's true. I remember a long time ago you saying your mom was against transition.

All I am saying is to not toss God out into a discussion about GLBT people because it doesn't work. They would say if God intended for you to be a man he would have made you one physically, so how is it correct to point fingers at GLB people by using the same God?


First of all I already am a Man ,All I said was it said nothing about trans people, thats my mom vs numerous people who believe God intended for me to be male with an ambiguaous body, Everyone who I knows I am male even all my teachers and pratically the whole administration, Don't try and flip the script its says something abiut homosexuals cross dressers and that's it did I say I agree with it NO!!!!!! And again someone asked why we refer to God as male. And you honestly thnk I give a damn about what my mom thinks another NO!!!
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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