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Sorry but it's killing me. I need to come out.

Started by ImagineKate, October 06, 2014, 02:30:01 PM

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Hikari

Quote from: ImagineKate on October 27, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Makes sense.

My wife doesn't seem that vindictive, and it would totally destroy our relationship if she did that. I would just walk out at that point. I am not ruling out something like that happening though because sometimes people get desperate. Sorry to hear yours did that.

To be clear - I do plan to come out to my parents but only once things have settled down at home. It would be nice to get their blessing but I'm prepared for the worst.

Part of the problem is she didn't do it because of being vindictive, she was trying to be supportive lol, thinking that it was too awkward for me to tell my friends (despite clearly explaining to her, why these particular friends weren't in the loop yet), so she figured she would just disclose for me, and I would be happy for that. In her head, I would be showering her with praise for disclosing to people, because she thought it was something I was having real trouble doing and I was just making excuses for why I was waiting (I wasn't, and I certainly wasn't happy about the disclosure).

My point is, people do things for reasons both good and bad, but it isn't really under your control.
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ImagineKate

Sooo a bit of a major update here. I figured I'd start a new thread, but then realized this is just a continuation of the issues, so I'll just put it here.

Yesterday I came out to my wife's older daughter (from another marriage). She's not really my step daughter as she's only about 6-7 years my junior and she still has a very good relationship with her dad. That said, she and my wife are very close and my wife wanted me to personally tell her about me being a transgender woman and transitioning. We also have a good relationship. So we had lunch.

First of all I told her that I needed to tell her something about me. Then I showed her my avatar picture on my phone and said, "Remember when you last saw me and told me I needed a haircut? This is what I need to tell you. This is me. I am transgender. I've dealt with this all my life and now I'm in transition." I showed her a bottle of estradiol (I carry a small amount with me because I take a divided dose and don't want to forget) and said, "I am taking hormones, you can see the prescription bottle with my name on it, so you know I'm telling the truth."

But the biggest surprise was that she said, "and, what's the problem?" as if it was no big deal.

We had a discussion about it and she said she gets it because she knows my gender identity is an immutable part of me, and I am who I am and that can't change. I cried and cried, I couldn't believe it. I got so emotional. It's almost as if she was expecting it. A few days ago her mom (my wife) had told her she was having trouble at home. She asked a number of questions, then out of the blue she asked her mom, "So does R want to become a woman or something?" My wife didn't answer her, dodged the question. So I guess she got a hint of what was going on.

So it went really well and she said that she'd support me, especially with regard to her mom.

We talked a few other things and she told me a couple places I could go get my eyebrows and nails done too.

Oh, and maybe she's a bit understanding because she also works at a gay bar some nights. She did say she has met some transsexuals there, along with crossdressers, drag queens and similar and the rest of the LGBT spectrum. She says she knows we're not one and the same but she also said that it's a different world today and people should be more tolerant of others who have different sexual orientation or gender identity.

So I'm happy somewhat, and relieved. Hopefully things in life can start to look up a bit more.
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Paige

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 06, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
But the biggest surprise was that she said, "and, what's the problem?" as if it was no big deal.

Hi Kate,

Your wife's oldest daughter is just an amazing person.  So I was just reading the Christmas thread, (I've been away), and feeling very down because I couldn't believe people could be so nasty, but then I read your post.  That lady is special.  You're very luck to have her on your side.

Take care,
Paige :)

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ImagineKate

She's not the eldest, but she's one of the two older ones my wife had as a teenager. When we all used to live together we were very close. I wasn't really like her dad, more like a friend. She's very understanding of a lot of things.

But yes, it's nice to have positive support from someone I consider to be family.

HR has basically said the same thing, "so what's the problem?"

I'm glad that at least some people are treating this as not a big deal.
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Allyda

She sounds like an amazing person. I'm so happy for you. I lived in NYC for a few years(Mid Manhattan) and loved it. Peep's there are so tolerant. I could be me with no problem or questions asked. :)

I live in rural Fl. now and its a good thing I pass so well(I'm Female Hermaphrodite-Intersexed). It could be dangerous for me here if I didn't. Here tho I'm just one of the girls on the block.

Ally ;)
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katiej

Kate, I'm glad to hear that you do have some supportive family.  How are things going with your wife and kids?
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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ImagineKate

My wife is not really opposing me now. She's really just indifferent. However intimacy is basically gone. A kiss on the cheek or forehead is all I get. I mourn the loss of that but at the same time I want to give her some room to process.

The kids? I've explained the whole "daddy is transgender" thing, and I actually used the word "transgender" in front of them. They love me a lot. They'll never let me go. They love bath time (I bathe them at night, basically take the shower head off and pretend it's a car wash). They always point to my feminine shirts, point to my dresses and question but I tell them and they don't seem to mind. They're questioning less and less now. One of my daughters points to my pink and purple tops. She asked, "daddy, I love purple. Why do you wear purple?" I say, "because it's pretty honey. I love being pretty." 

BUT!!! I do have some other GREAT news!

Mom replied. She said she loves me no matter what, and to talk to her later.

My dad is still AWOL, but I suspect he's dealing with his other stuff (Government acquiring his house and land). So he's busy.

I also started coming out to my closest friends. One of them was pretty honored I told her but she is pretty supportive of LGBT rights anyway. Her husband (also my friend) has said a few transphobic/homophobic things in the past but I found out one of his other best friends is MTF so he's not really intolerant. Another friend actually said that he bets I'm relieved that I can finally be myself. He said he kind of had an inkling though.

So today is a good day I hope. I see my therapist today and I actually have good news to report to her. Yay!

Gradually I'm coming out to all the people that matter in my life. And you know what? It feels great to do so. It feels so great to be myself... I push the dress code even more at work now. Yes, people notice but I don't care. People have been commenting (to my face) about the hair, and how I look different. I have a couple of negative people but they can't come to my face and say things negatively. They just give me "the look" and they stare. If they continue staring all day I'm going to have HR deal with them. It probably means being outed but at this point I don't care.
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katiej

That's good news, Kate!  Our situations are roughly similar, I'm just a few months behind you in the process.  My wife is begrudgingly coming to acceptance.  And intimacy is already a tough thing when you have younger children.

If I remember it right, your kids are about the same age as mine...mine are 12, 10, 7, and 3.  When you came out to the kids, how did you approach it with the older ones? 
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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ImagineKate

Quote from: katiej on January 09, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
That's good news, Kate!  Our situations are roughly similar, I'm just a few months behind you in the process.  My wife is begrudgingly coming to acceptance.  And intimacy is already a tough thing when you have younger children.

If I remember it right, your kids are about the same age as mine...mine are 12, 10, 7, and 3.  When you came out to the kids, how did you approach it with the older ones?


My kids and yours definitely aren't the same age. They are all 4 years old (triplets).

My wife has two older kids outside the marriage who are almost 30. One of them doesn't talk to us much because she's a long haul trucker. The other we talk to on a regular basis.

I also never meant to imply that my wife is "fine." We still argue and fight, just a lot less now, and she isn't road blocking my transition. She tried to tell me about cost but I shot that down, when I explain how I budgeted for transition and how most stuff really doesn't cost anything. Hormones especially cost next to nothing, a dr visit is $15 and the Estradiol is $10/month. The rest of stuff (spiro and my other meds) is covered completely by insurance and thus $0 out of pocket. Besides, my endo visits are my primary care visits, so it's not like the $15 copay is just for HRT.

Therapy is at a reduced rate (sliding scale). Electrolysis is cheap because my electrologist works at a discounted rate. Clothes are cheap because I buy clearance and from the thrift stores. I'm on a shoe string budget basically.
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ImagineKate

I had a nice long skype session with my mom. It was with video and I was dressed up en femme.

She urged caution but said she accepts and loves me for who I am and if this is what makes me happy, I should do it.

I reassured her that I am proceeding with caution which is why I have a therapist and why I am being doctor monitored.

I also asked her what she'd chose for me as a name if I was born a girl. She said she'd think about it, but they probably would go with Ria or Rhea. I kind of like it. I may end up with it as a middle name. I'll await her final answer. Even though I have another name kind of picked out (not kate), it would be nice if she named me.

I can't begin to relate the joy that I have that my mom is accepting. I am in tears. I have been happy all day (except one fight with my wife). I am going to bed happy. Happy happy happy happy happy am I. Did I say happy? Yes I did. I feel like my stolen childhood is being relived, and in the proper gender too. Life is grand.

I told my therapist this and I cried in her office (I do that often). She was happy for me.
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Paige

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 09, 2015, 11:12:43 PM

She urged caution but said she accepts and loves me for who I am and if this is what makes me happy, I should do it.


Wow Kate that's great news.  Your mom is pretty special. 

Paige :)
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katiej

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 09, 2015, 11:04:45 PM
My kids and yours definitely aren't the same age. They are all 4 years old (triplets)

Woops!  I must have been thinking of someone else.  And triplets.  Yikes!!  :)

Well I'm glad to hear things went well with your mom.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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AbbyKat

I've just read through this entire thread.  It caught me at the beginning because your situation is pretty close to mine (probably not uncommon but it's still new to me) and your wife seemed a bit less open than mine.  I figured I'd just see how your experience went and mine will probably go slightly less badly.

By the time I got to the end I was cheering for you.  What an amazing outcome!  Obviously, it could be better but I expected a real horror story.  This is very encouraging and I hope mine goes even better when I get to that point. 

You are awesome.
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ImagineKate

Thank you Abysha!

The biggest thing for me is that I've faced a lot of adversity in my life and I came out OK. I still have a lot of rough patches in my life but I can smooth them out one by one.

I am very determined, and like my biggest trans role model (Lynn Conway) I am a "gritty survivor" and nobody can knock me down.

I am also quickly learning not to pre-judge people. I expected many people to look at me with scorn but I've had nothing but acceptance. My wife is not "there" yet but I feel she and I will at least be friends in the long term.

I feel that time is what she needs the most.


Most of all though, I feel happy being out to people I am out to. It is a HUGE weight off my shoulder. Being myself is extremely empowering and uplifting.

I hope your situation works out well for you. Therapy has helped as well as the support I have gotten here.
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ImagineKate

My brother knows now. I have two brothers, but one lives with mom and she told him right away. She told the other one too (despite me telling her to keep it down for now as I would like to control the flow of information).

But... I was prepared for this anyway. I am prepared for my whole family to know now. Which is actually fine. It might push me to come out even more which I am looking forward to.

He's fully accepting though. He says I'm family and he loves me no matter what.

Kids are talking a lot about my transition though. "Daddy wants to be a girl," says one of my daughters. "No, Daddy IS a girl. He... she wears dresses. She's a GIRL and goes to the GIRLS bathroom," says another. I actually went to the men's this morning (with the kids) at a gas station because I didn't shave and I just tossed on a busted up pair of jeans and an old tshirt. I had to drop off my wife to the bus stop and didn't have time to pretty up. Plus we had the septic repair guys coming today and I had to do some stuff outside (they canceled due to weather) plus clear snow from the driveway. However I got some looks going into the mens... I should have just gone into the ladies, but when I'm not passing or even presenting female I am anxious. I know NJ has strong anti-discrimination laws, but still I feel I need to avoid trouble.

The kids are fully accepting but their mom is worried about my son who said he wants to be a girl like daddy.I said, "That's not my fault... he is what he is. But also he's a kid and kids say things. Just let him be." I don't think he is really trans, he just says stuff, but if he is, I'll support him/her. This is my therapist's advice. Don't push him but just let him be. I don't want him to end up like me regretting anything in life.
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alexbb

"I can't begin to relate the joy that I have that my mom is accepting..I am going to bed happy. Happy happy happy happy happy am I. Did I say happy? Yes I did. I feel like my stolen childhood is being relived, and in the proper gender too. Life is grand"

YES!!

"The kids are fully accepting but their mom is worried about my son who said he wants to be a girl like daddy... I don't think he is really trans, he just says stuff, but if he is, I'll support him/her."


i think thats rather wonderful actually. maybe he is trans and maybe not, but the fact that he looks up to, admires respects and loves you so much to want to emulate you shows what an amazing parent you are, and the change you are making in society around you. and he (or she) will grow up knowing any problem can be confided in you in a way we didnt really feel we could when we were kids. and he'll be accepting and kind to his friends who realise they are gay, or trans, or whatever. youre a role model to him, and to me.

ImagineKate

Came out to another friend today. This is significant as she still lives in Trinidad. So far I haven't told anyone there until now. That society is somewhat transphobic but is coming around very slowly.

She was shocked and asked about my wife and kids but after a while said she was supportive. She also said that in my case it doesn't seem like a joke and she has friends who experiment with it but I seem to be pretty genuine. She also said I looked good, lol.

Weirdly enough she seemed fixated on my appendage... Why would I want to get rid of it (she had a crush on me back when we were teenagers). I told her it's not so much that I hate the little guy but it's that I couldn't get up every morning and look at myself in the mirror. I was basically horrified at what I saw. Every single day.
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Ali girl

It has been a while since I have been on.  So happy to see things turning out for the better!  This journey we take is scary, but with support and acceptance it makes it much brighter.  Good luck in your continued success and I will continue to root for you from afar.  ;) 
The bravest thing I ever did was live when all I wanted to do was die.

If someone shows you their true colors, don't try to repaint them.

"I'm not the person I was yesterday and I'm not the person I'm going to  be tomorrow. I'm just figuring it out as I go along, just like everyone else in this world." -Laura Jane Grace
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ImagineKate


Quote from: alexbb on January 19, 2015, 06:34:47 AM
"I can't begin to relate the joy that I have that my mom is accepting..I am going to bed happy. Happy happy happy happy happy am I. Did I say happy? Yes I did. I feel like my stolen childhood is being relived, and in the proper gender too. Life is grand"

YES!!

"The kids are fully accepting but their mom is worried about my son who said he wants to be a girl like daddy... I don't think he is really trans, he just says stuff, but if he is, I'll support him/her."


i think thats rather wonderful actually. maybe he is trans and maybe not, but the fact that he looks up to, admires respects and loves you so much to want to emulate you shows what an amazing parent you are, and the change you are making in society around you. and he (or she) will grow up knowing any problem can be confided in you in a way we didnt really feel we could when we were kids. and he'll be accepting and kind to his friends who realise they are gay, or trans, or whatever. youre a role model to him, and to me.


Oh they all look up to me. They can't let go of me either. They love me a lot and thinking about this I've been close to them since they were born, spending day after day in the NICU and sleeping in their room at night. I wouldn't call myself amazing, just caring loving and understanding.
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