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I asked my therapist yesterday if she was cis female

Started by stephaniec, October 08, 2014, 09:41:35 AM

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stephaniec

I was telling her about the debate on Susan's about NB's and B's and she said she didn't know the concepts ,then I asked her if she was cis and ended  up needing to explain the terms . She has a quirk about playing dumb, so I'm not sure , she's been a therapist for 30 years though.
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kaye

You know, it's not our business to be asking to be honest.

My therapist said that I could ask him anything and he is very knowledgeable on trans issues so I had wondered if he himself was trans or not. However, not my business to ask, so I won't.
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suzifrommd

I dumped a therapist who claimed to be a gender therapist but turned out to know too little for my taste. One of the words she hadn't heard was "cisgender".
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Devlyn

It's not a term lots of people are familiar with. If your therapist has been in practice for thirty years, the word hadn't even been introduced to the public when they started.
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Randi

The prefixes CIS and TRANS have been around thousands of years and any truly educated person should know them.

The Romans referred to transalpine gaul and cisalpine gaul.  Gaul (France) had provinces on this side of the alps and on the other side of the alps.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 08, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
It's not a term lots of people are familiar with. If your therapist has been in practice for thirty years, the word hadn't even been introduced to the public when they started.
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Devlyn

I understand, but the term cisgender was coined in the 1990's. Inter and net have also been around a long time, but not the internet.
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Jess42

Quote from: stephaniec on October 08, 2014, 09:41:35 AM
I was telling her about the debate on Susan's about NB's and B's and she said she didn't know the concepts ,then I asked her if she was cis and ended  up needing to explain the terms . She has a quirk about playing dumb, so I'm not sure , she's been a therapist for 30 years though.

Sometimes they want you to explain. I seriously doubt that she hasn't hear the term before if she is indeed a gender therapist. You are not her only client and if she deals with gender she probably knows but was looking for you to explain it.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Jess42 on October 08, 2014, 02:50:48 PM
Sometimes they want you to explain. I seriously doubt that she hasn't hear the term before if she is indeed a gender therapist. You are not her only client and if she deals with gender she probably knows but was looking for you to explain it.
yea, she does do that
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stephaniec

plus the fact she works with a team of psychiatrists out of a hospital. I feel like a like a little lab mouse sometimes
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Ms Grace

Well, I remember the thread that started that - she asked you if you were sure you were trans, so I suggested asking if she was sure she was cis. I'm glad to see you took me up on the suggestion!! :)
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stephaniec

Quote from: Ms Grace on October 08, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
Well, I remember the thread that started that - she asked you if you were sure you were trans, so I suggested asking if she was sure she was cis. I'm glad to see you took me up on the suggestion!! :)
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skin

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 08, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
If your therapist has been in practice for thirty years, the word hadn't even been introduced to the public when they started.

She still has an obligation to continually educate herself.  I would say someone who isn't familiar with that term certainly hasn't done enough homework to say they can help transgender clients.
"Choosing to be true to one's self — despite challenges that may come with the journey — is an integral part of realizing not just one's own potential, but of realizing the true nature of our collective human spirit. This spirit is what makes us who we are, and by following that spirit as it manifests outwardly, and inwardly, you are benefiting us all." -Andrew WK
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AnonyMs

Quote from: stephaniec on October 08, 2014, 09:41:35 AM
She has a quirk about playing dumb, so I'm not sure , she's been a therapist for 30 years though.
I'd have a couple of other big issues with this. Firstly I don't want a dumb therapist, I want a smart one who can help me, and if I can't tell the difference I'd want to move on. Second, I want someone I can trust, not someone who's lying to me, which is what this basically is. I don't think that I could be open with a therapist I had any reason to distrust.

And as others have she should know what it means if she's an expert in the field. I don't have much respect for people who don't stay up to date.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 08, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
It's not a term lots of people are familiar with. If your therapist has been in practice for thirty years, the word hadn't even been introduced to the public when they started.

For me, this would be a serious concern. 30 years ago we know a LOT less about our condition than we do now. A therapist who hasn't cracked a journal in 30 years does not have the competence to treat one of us, IMO.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Jess42

I therapist's main job is to prod you for your own self discovery and answers from yourself. If they gave you the answers you needed, why go through the therapy? Just let them tell you everything you need to do. I'm not really a good therapy patient because I tend to answer questions with questions and tend to prod a therapist as much as they prod me. A therapist is supposed to be a totally neutral party, non judging and so on. I would say there is not a therapist out there that deals with gender issues that don't know the terminology. Yes there are good therapist and bad therapist.

If anyone at all is worried about whether or not their therapists are knowledgeable or not, just ask to see their notes that they write. Those notes are your property and you have the right to read them.

They want you to answer, even your own questions. They may ask what does that mean and what does this mean. It doesn't mean they don't know themselves, it just means they want you to understand and when we say something aloud we tend to think about what we say more so than if we just think about it.

I would say, before or after a session if they have no client tight then and there, talk to them like a normal person. It will provide tremendous insight not so much to the "therapist" but to the actual person. I've had a therapist that did not talk before or after a session, Just come on back and let's get to it and after walk to the receptionist desk with me, ask when I wanted another appointment and write the check. No small talk whatsoever. The person seemed cold and really distant. I was a client, not a person. My therapist now makes time between appointments to talk to clients as people. I found I could open up way more and felt so much more comfortable letting them into my little world of thoughts. The cold one gave up on me. Said they couldn't help me anymore. That is a kick in the gut and kind of careless and dangerous in my opinion. But I couldn't feel I could let my guard down. This one now, I am totally at ease with and they never gave up even when I couldn't open up. And when we go through little things like what you went through with yours Stephanie, I get the same little run around, but... After the sessions since this one makes time between appointments for the person, well that sometimes is better than the therapy session itself. Or for people like me anyway. I'm way more comfortable in the waiting room sitting and talking without the therapist taking notes.

To me, that is the difference between a good therapist and a bad therapist. A good therapist that has a client that has some problem they have not run across before will do their homework after the session to learn about it. There is a plethora of information out there. This sight is one of them.
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Devlyn

I was more or less pointing out that when you say cisgender nine out of ten people cock their head to one side like a dog. Yes, a gender therapist is going to know what it means. Maybe the therapist was steering the conversation back to the objective.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Jess42 on October 09, 2014, 07:37:37 AM
I therapist's main job is to prod you for your own self discovery and answers from yourself. If they gave you the answers you needed, why go through the therapy? Just let them tell you everything you need to do. I'm not really a good therapy patient because I tend to answer questions with questions and tend to prod a therapist as much as they prod me. A therapist is supposed to be a totally neutral party, non judging and so on. I would say there is not a therapist out there that deals with gender issues that don't know the terminology. Yes there are good therapist and bad therapist.

If anyone at all is worried about whether or not their therapists are knowledgeable or not, just ask to see their notes that they write. Those notes are your property and you have the right to read them.

They want you to answer, even your own questions. They may ask what does that mean and what does this mean. It doesn't mean they don't know themselves, it just means they want you to understand and when we say something aloud we tend to think about what we say more so than if we just think about it.

I would say, before or after a session if they have no client tight then and there, talk to them like a normal person. It will provide tremendous insight not so much to the "therapist" but to the actual person. I've had a therapist that did not talk before or after a session, Just come on back and let's get to it and after walk to the receptionist desk with me, ask when I wanted another appointment and write the check. No small talk whatsoever. The person seemed cold and really distant. I was a client, not a person. My therapist now makes time between appointments to talk to clients as people. I found I could open up way more and felt so much more comfortable letting them into my little world of thoughts. The cold one gave up on me. Said they couldn't help me anymore. That is a kick in the gut and kind of careless and dangerous in my opinion. But I couldn't feel I could let my guard down. This one now, I am totally at ease with and they never gave up even when I couldn't open up. And when we go through little things like what you went through with yours Stephanie, I get the same little run around, but... After the sessions since this one makes time between appointments for the person, well that sometimes is better than the therapy session itself. Or for people like me anyway. I'm way more comfortable in the waiting room sitting and talking without the therapist taking notes.

To me, that is the difference between a good therapist and a bad therapist. A good therapist that has a client that has some problem they have not run across before will do their homework after the session to learn about it. There is a plethora of information out there. This sight is one of them.
I think its her technique I like her a lot , but it is annoying to explain things sometimes.
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Jess42

Quote from: stephaniec on October 09, 2014, 10:14:43 AM
I think its her technique I like her a lot , but it is annoying to explain things sometimes.

That it is. But sometimes when we are explaining things we sometimes get some kind of revelation out of it. I mean I can think some things sometimes that really seems to make sense but when I vocalize it, it just don't make sense. Vice versa too.
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