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'Gender inclusive' school district says drop 'boys and girls,' call kids 'purple

Started by suzifrommd, October 10, 2014, 09:22:00 AM

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suzifrommd

Quote from: LordKAT on October 14, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
How do you help a kid that hasn't come out or even figured it out themselves yet?  Instead of rubbing it in that they are in the wrong line, there is no wrong line.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 14, 2014, 02:19:44 PMYou say correct gender, but only encompass two, the two binary extremes. I'm part girl, part boy, what side of the class should I stand on?

There are ways of helping a youngster explore their gender issues without preventing mention of everyone else's binary gender. A little gentleness and acceptance of the kid whereever they are, are both far less drastic than denying the existence of binary gender.

After all, even if the child discovers they are non-binary, they will be living their lives in a world where binary genders dominate, and will IMO be helped by considering early on how they can fit into it.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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LordKAT

They aren't denying any gender, just not using it to separate the kids.
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NathanielM

My supportgroup does schooltraining and for a work for school I investigated on gender-aware schools and teaching, which despite the very effective distracting and sensationalising the author uses is what this is about

. First things first is that it's not 'for' gendervariant children, it's for every kid. Splitting classes up by gender is one part of it, and is simply not needed. The reason why they'd prefer not to do that is because it encourages the stereotypical thinking about boys and girls (not beneficial for anyone, including perfectly binary non transgender kids) and because you're then constantly encouraging boys to only mingle with boys and girls with girls. But it goes further then this and is most important in the younger years, start early! It's also about not making every girl-thing pink, about using books that don't always talk about the lady who is a stay at home mom and de man who works in building... About not avoiding stereotypes but being aware of it. About being inclusive of all diversity, of girls that like technical stuff and boys that like sewing.

From the very beginning kids are being pumped full of ideas about girl/boy and not suprisingly this effects them greatly in life choices, behavior, clothes... Gender-aware teaching isn't about changing the school for those few kids that are gendervariant. It's about changing schools to a system that is beneficial for every single kid!

Another last point is that it isn't about avoiding boy/girl either, not pretending there's no such thing but being aware that a lot of the splitting we do is simply not realisitic and that we as adults are confining our children in our own little boxes when it's simply not necessary. In Belgium this is being promoted for kindergarden but I'm not sure US has that? 3-6 years old? This is pretty much THE age to start teaching kids stereotypes are just that, stereotypes. It also goes into further diversity like skin colour, different views, different looks... It just allows kids to grow up less confined by their gender and more about who they are and what they're good at. Gender is only part of that but in our current society everyhting is seperated by this, it's even on our ID's.

I can't really make up my mind about the policy, because well, someone who really wants to make it very negative and ridicule it has written the article but some of the things he ridicules are defintely good things in my book. Also I'd totally want to be a purple pinguin! :p (sorry for my english, I'm belgian)
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Adam (birkin)

What's wrong with "all right children, let's get on the bus"? Why does there have to be some special word to show just how "gender inclusive" they are? I think this is stupid.
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LordKAT

The point was how to separate them for various activities.  Saying children do this side and children do that side would be rather confusing.
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Jaime R D

My niece wasn't too keen when I called her a purple penguin. She's pretty open minded for a 12 year old and she thought it was a bit much when we saw it on the news last week. 
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LordKAT

The purple penguin thing is more like a team name, not an individual name.
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Devlyn

Quote from: LordKAT on October 15, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
The purple penguin thing is more like a team name, not an individual name.

Thank you, I thought everyone understood that, but it's become clear that isn't the case.
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Jaime R D

Quote from: LordKAT on October 15, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
The purple penguin thing is more like a team name, not an individual name.
I know that. But still its a bit much. There are already plenty of non gendered generics terms for groups already without getting silly.
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LordKAT

I don't know about that, I have heard some pretty silly team names, also some very boring ones like red team vs blue and shirts vs skins.  Nothing wrong with silly when it is entertaining and not hurtful.
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NathanielM

What I don't get is why we are all playing into the media coverage by focussing on the one thing that, I agree, might be a little silly. Okay so no purple pinguins, are we missing the rest of what they are doing? Or is the purple pinguin really the most important part of this new school policy?
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Bombadil

I have worked with kids a lot. I have divided them into groups many, many times and never felt the need to divide them by boys and girls. When schools come to our facility we ask the teacher to have the kids divided into two groups and it's almost never a boys group and a girls group. And we hate it when they do that because those groups aren't well divided. A good teacher is dividing based on the kids abilities, personalities, etc. It's not about boys and girls.  If you don't know a group of kids, the easy way can seem to be boys and girls but it's nearly as easy to do something else- odd and even, birth months (jan-june and july-dec) etc. This really should be a non-issue.

And I agree with LordKat, many of these groups come with team names and many adult groups I work with give themselves team names and those can be quite... creative.






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Natalie

Pathetic. Guess what, I am a girl and my son is a boy and I will always use those pronouns and never put him in a school that spreads this kind of filth.
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LordKAT

Quote from: Natalie on October 16, 2014, 02:45:15 AM
Pathetic. Guess what, I am a girl and my son is a boy and I will always use those pronouns and never put him in a school that spreads this kind of filth.

And will that response be the same should your son turn out to be your daughter?

Every school already does this to varying extents. Are you going to home school them?
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Natalie

Quote from: LordKAT on October 16, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
And will that response be the same should your son turn out to be your daughter?

Every school already does this to varying extents. Are you going to home school them?

What a banal question...
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Jess42

Quote from: LordKAT on October 16, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
And will that response be the same should your son turn out to be your daughter?

Every school already does this to varying extents. Are you going to home school them?

Ok let me start by saying I don't have any children. I really don't even know if I have a right to contribute to this or not. Another thing I was cursed with. ???  I have told nieces and nephews that if anything was bothering them or of the ever didn't feel right that they could talk to me. But I feel like I would end up being a second seat to the parents and grandparents. But if my "son" said he thought he felt like a girl I could definitely help him or her the best way I could to figure it out. If my "daughter" ever said to me she felt male I would help them the best I could. First I would direct them to this websight. Then I would find them a therapist. Then I would love them unconditionally no matter what. If they used to be my son, then they could be my daughter and if they used t be my daughter they could be my son.

PS. I never could have children so this is just a bunch of what ifs but I would like to think that is the way I would handle it and probably would. ???
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