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Coming out a second time to husband - advice?

Started by Gothic Dandy, October 16, 2014, 04:24:52 PM

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Gothic Dandy

The first time, I told him I was transgender. That was almost two months ago, and only a few weeks ago did we finally come to a resolution with each other. I told him I was transitioning to non-binary. I was planning on only changing my presentation first, and not doing any sex reassignment until I had a better idea of what I wanted. This calmed him, because he isn't attracted to men. We agreed to stick together for the sake of our marriage and our daughter, who is 20 months old, for as long as possible.

I figured we would eventually split up unless he changed his mind about how much masculinity he'd accept in his wife.

Well, I have a better idea of what I want now. I'm pretty sure I'm FTM. When I accept that I'm a guy, a sense of peace washes away the obsessive, intrusive thoughts I've been having about my gender identity.

Should I just leave our current compromise as-is for the sake of our daughter? Just wait and tell him I'm a guy when I'm ready to go on hormones? He already knows I'm transgender.

Or should I tell him now? I feel like that will end our marriage promptly and I'm concerned about child custody. I'm currently a stay-at-home parent and I want to keep raising her, but I feel like if I make this decision, I'm leaving with the clothes on my back and visitation rights. We just signed a new lease for a year; I expect that's the soonest we'd split up. If we waited a few more years, even if I still didn't get custody of her, at least she'd be old enough to miss me and tell me about her life on video chat...
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ZoeWillCode

This is so hard!! My wife and I are going through a very similar situation. I told her that I was transgender well before we were married, but we stayed together and she helped me try to "deal with it." Her intentions were never bad. We both thought that I could cope with some middle ground.

Almost exactly two years ago, we had a daughter. Two months ago, I realized that I couldn't live in the middle ground. I had to begin my MTF transition. In the last few weeks, we've had a lot of tears and a lot of unanswered questions of each other. What happens now? She doesn't even consider herself bisexual, much less a lesbian.

My only advice, if one could call it that, is to be patient, take time, and make the decision together. We spent about two weeks coming around to our conclusion-- we were going to tell everyone how I felt. Our friends, our family, my co-workers. Everyone we cared about. That opened up a world of people for her to talk to, to share her concerns with, and to support us both. Going forward, we're just going to take things slowly. I'm growing my hair out.. that will take time. I'm starting HRT. That will also take time.

It's a little harder for me, I think, than just throwing my hands into the air and saying "I've had it-- I'm going to live life as a woman, now." Instead of just taking the plunge, I'm forced to do things slowly, when it already feels like years of frustration pushing me on. But in other ways, the gradual change helps us both to adapt. It helps our friends and family, too. That may not be the best solution for everyone, but it's working for us, so far. There may be a time when she just can't take it, anymore, but she said she's willing to try to make it work until it gets to that point. We're just being open, honest, and communicating constantly.
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brianna1016

Quote from: Gothic Dandy Luca on October 16, 2014, 04:24:52 PM
We agreed to stick together for the sake of our marriage and our daughter, who is 20 months old, for as long as possible.


Do you want the relationship to work? Are you in love with your husband?

Maybe give him some time to adjust?
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JoanneB

Time is your best friend. Especially if you aren't 100% absolutely sure of forging ahead, damn the torpedoes. There is no other way to live another day without transitioning. That somehow that whole likely loosing a spouse, loosing a child, needing to find work, affording just living AND the expenses related to transitioning.

On the other hand, if you feel conflicted about balancing one set of needs against another set, you need time to make crucial decisions. Which does not prevent you from doing things like altering your presentation, therapy, HRT, working on longer term goals, etc.. During all that time your spouse may adjust. Perhaps like my wife, see me change as a person for the better. Fall even more in love with me. And isn't as weirded out grabbing a handful of boob snuggling up to me at night.

After 6 years I am still unsure about transitioning to full-time. I am not unsure where my true joy lies. I fear what I may loose in seeking that joy will not be worth the cost
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Gothic Dandy

So the gist I'm getting is that none of you think I should tell him I'm ftm? Pretend I'm still a non-transsexual nonbinary so that we can stick with the original plan of holding out indefinitely? 

There is a lot more complexity to this situation but I'm having a hard time verbalizing it without rambling. Time is everything, and I do want that extra time to get settled in, but which is more crucial,  time or honesty?

I do love him, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life with someone who not only disapproves of my gender identity, but tries to play psychiatrist with me to convince me I'm delusional, lost, in a fantasy world,  etc. When the time comes it will be heartbreaking, but im 99% sure there is no saving this marriage in the long term, no matter what I tell him I am.
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Hikari

If there is no saving it, perhaps it is best to simply not tell him, make all the plans and preparations you need in order to ensure your independence. After that is finished, then tell him and see how he reacts, on the 1% chance that it does work out great, on the 99% it doesn't at least you prepared for it.

To be honest, I wish I were less honest and more prepared when I did everything.
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Gothic Dandy

I'm this close to saying ->-bleeped-<- it, tell him now. Secrets fill me with shame and anxiety. I wish I didn't require to live as an open book about everything that makes up my identity,  but alas. I'll wait until after our anniversary next week so that we can have one last happy one.
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Gothic Dandy

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ZoeWillCode

I hope you didn't take any part of my message to imply that I was anywhere near the camp of not telling him. In fact, my recommendation is exactly the opposite. Once you're confident about who you are, I recommend you tell everyone that's close to you. In my case, telling my friends and family is one of the best decisions I could have made. I wasn't worried about my friends-- those who didn't want to be friends with me, anymore, weren't actually my friends, anyway. But now I can just be myself around everyone I know.

Open, honest conversation is the only thing I'll ever recommend.
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JoanneB

Do keep in mind that you likely spent the better part of your life just trying to get some sort of a handle on who or what you are. Your SO, on the other hand, has had how long? 2-3 weeks tops. Dropping the T-Bomb is an awful lot to digest. Especially when the first thing that pops into most peoples heads are Jerry Springer nightmares.

It also seems like you came out to him, struck up this non-binary presentation deal, and haven't really followed through on it yet. How much time has he had to adjust to that? How much of a look change were you planning on? Girly girl to construction worker? Or, something a little more subtle in order to ease him, as well as you self into it, also keeping in mind that everyone in your life, as well as out on the street, will also be affected. At the very least have an opinion which will be reflected in how you are treated.

There is often a tendency for us to once this great burden is lifted by telling the most important person in our life about it, like an SO, there is a euphoria that comes on if the Earth did not open up to swallow us or they ran off screaming into the darkness never to be seen or heard from again. This euphoria tends to lead to "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"  thinking. The sudden big changes the SO sees totally freaks them out at a time when the news is still very much settling in during a time they are struggling hard dealing with feelings of betrayal, being lied to, and just plain feeling like an idiot for not spotting this themselves and once again getting into a relationship that yet again was going to end badly.

I cannot agree more that LOTS of open and honest communication is about the only thing that can keep the relationship going. However, that needs to balanced against TMI. Too much, too fast, too soon. After my second TG support group meeting when at that time I knew I needed to be there and especially I needed to tell my wife what was going on. But it was a bad time to. It tore me apart the 2 months or so it took to drop the T-Bomb on her. In the weeks, months and still today 6 years later, we have those very difficult talks. Between then and today gallons of tears have been shed by us both. Finding that balance with TMI was very difficult early on. Today the only problem is me not knowing what the future may look for me. Basic needs, the US, her health, my needs all take precedence for now over being totally genuine to myself. 90% for most of the day is pretty close
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Gothic Dandy

Update time:

So I did the deed when I said I would, a few days after our anniversary. There was another period of arguing, which I expected, but it wasn't as long or as heated as the first time.

It seems I misunderstood him. He will still love and support me through the transition, just not stay romantically attached to me if I resemble "man" too much for his tastes. Does that mean living together but legally separating so that we can see other people? Does "support" mean allow me to do as I wish, or does it mean actually encourage me to go forward? Those are things I still need to ask him. I don't think I can live in the same home as someone who is only humoring me, especially when he's been so resistant and discouraging so far.

Plans are not as set in stone as I thought they would be. When I expressed the assumption that we'd split up in a year, he was surprised. I think the future of our marriage rests on whether and when I start HRT. (Of course I WANT to do it asap, but we just signed a lease for a year, I promised I wouldn't do it while living with him, and what if, after a year, I decide that marriage is more important?) I finally have my second appointment with my new therapist tomorrow, so I'll ask her for more information regarding HRT then.

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