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I found my female voice, but .....

Started by Ms Bev, August 06, 2007, 10:43:57 PM

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Rachael

Kiera:ill admit, my knowlage of the science of voice is weak, all i know is before hrt, i had a deffinately masculine voice that would never pass for female, not in a blue moon. i started AAs in nov, and estrogen in jan, and since then my voice change, with no consious effort of my own, or practice, it just  ajusted, to a point now where im ONLY taken for female over the phone....
i dont know how it happened, my doctor doesnt, and ill be buggered if i care!

R :police:
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Melissa

With my voice, here's what happened.  When I first went out as a female the first time, I talked in as much of a female voice as I could muster up based on what I had read on the internet.  I guess it was androgynous, although it would occasionally slip into a chest voice.  Eventually, I developed what I would call my "pleasant voice", which was a head voice and the pitch varied somewhat when I talked, but my pitch wasn't really raised much (you have to raise pitch to achieve a head voice).  I wanted to get my voice to sound unambiguously female so bad.  I had been trying to use "finding your female voice", but I didn't seem to be making progress.  One of my problems with that particular program was that I had such a large vocal range, it was difficult finding the correct pitch.  I went to a speech therapist about 3 months after I had started HRT and shortly before I would be going fulltime.  I had 4 sessions with her over a period of a month (the first one revolving around finding the right pitch).  I kept practicing (usually only while driving) and after a couple of weeks, my voice just started changing by itself.  I had been talking in a chest voice at work, but I used a head voice for my female voice.  Somehow, it started magically staying in the head voice even at my normal chest voice pitch.  It flipped back and forth for about a week, and then it pretty much has stayed in a head voice ever since.  I stopped fighting to keep my chest voice at work even though I wasn't out yet and fortunately nobody seemed to notice (or care).

I don't know if hormones or voice training (although with how soon after starting training that my voice changed makes me somehow doubt it was training) that my voice changed.  The effect of the change wasn't really with the pitch (which I went up over time due to practicing I believe), but rather that I lost the ability to easily speak in a chest voice even if I tried to.  I *can* still talk in a chest voice, but it requires a lot of concentration and relaxing almost everything.  It kind of screws up my voice for a while though and hurts, so I rarely do it.

I know my voice still isn't perfect yet (I've gotten sirred on the phone even when trying, which is probably due to me getting lazy for a while), but I continue to improve it and I do hope that over time, it will sound perfectly female regardless of whether I try or not.  As Regina said, you need to work at it and I kind of relaxed for a while and slipped a bit.  At the very least, it's androgynous because I do get ma'amed over the phone most of the time.  In person I think my face tends to make my voice be perceived as female though since I don't have any problems in that regard, even with a cold (which I've had for the past 2 and a half weeks).

One thing that I have improved a lot is my singing voice.  I had to so I could be in my musical.  It's certainly not excellent, but it *does* pass.  Plus I'm even doing a small solo part. ;D  I kind of sing in falsetto, but I also push air with my diaphragm (rather than my lungs) and keep an open throat (while still tightening my vocal cords) and it seems to work just fine.  In other words, I'm just using proper singing techniques, but manipulating my throat and vocal cord muscles into more of a falsetto fashion and it seems to work.  Using your diaphram give your voice a somewhat breathier quality with the falsetto position of the vocal cords balancing it out and the open throat is especially important when singing higher pitched notes.  That's about the best way I can describe the technique I use to sing in a passable female singing voice at least.  It's definitely a different technique than speaking as a female or singing as a male, but the result is great.  If the voice starts sounding a bit pinched (and falsetto), just increase the throughput of air volume.
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gothique11

I'm hoping to see a speech pathologist in down -- it's very hard to get into and the wait list is very long. Basically, I had to wait to see the doctor at the gender clinic to get the referal (on average, it takes a year to get an appointment there... I got very lucky and got in at 10 months). Then the voice clinic is something like 6 months of waiting.

I have my referral in, and I'll be going there in Sept (referral went in May).

Although, sadly, they told me pretty frankly that the probably can't do anything with me. The girl was actually confused at first and didn't know if she was talking to the right person (she was looking for a Transgendered person, and she thought I was a GG). She asked if I was taking lessons else where, which I said no (because I wasn't). She then asked what I wanted them to do. I said, "To make my voice more feminine, of course." And then, she was clueless and said, "what part."

Anyway, that went on for a long conversation that ended saying that they don't know what to help me with because I sounded female on the phone.

I keep thinking that I must sound horrible -- but I think it could be because I'm using the voice I already had for years and years as a guy, and now as a female it seems to "sound good to others" but I think I might still be associating it to my old-self.

Although, I don't know what "sounds good" means -- does it mean passable, not that bad but could be better, or it's so horrible you sound like a sick cat but I'll be nice and not hurt your feelings. *shrugs*

I always seem skeptical when people tell me that I sound or look good. I wonder if they aren't all just sparing my feelings while I go out and look like a fool. *shrugs* I don't know. But then I haven't been sir'd in person or on the phone in like forever and ever. So why do I still have a hard time believing it myself?

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Melissa

Quote from: gothique11 on August 07, 2007, 09:55:02 PM
Anyway, that went on for a long conversation that ended saying that they don't know what to help me with because I sounded female on the phone.
That is really one of the biggest tests.  If you consistently pass fine on the phone, then your voice should be perceived as female in just about all situations.

Quote from: gothique11 on August 07, 2007, 09:55:02 PM
I keep thinking that I must sound horrible -- but I think it could be because I'm using the voice I already had for years and years as a guy, and now as a female it seems to "sound good to others" but I think I might still be associating it to my old-self.
Did you used to get maamed on the phone before ever transitioning?  If so, you probably sounded female before.  If not, then I'm not sure what changed.

Before I transition, I know I NEVER got maamed on the phone because I started with a somewhat low voice.
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Keira


My F0 is higher than the female average and consistently got mamed on the phone all my life (at least 80% of the time).

The funny thing is that people that know me from before wonder why I haven't changed my voice, since they say that the fact it hasn't changed much is what confuses them most (since everything else is much different).

Then, I tell them that my voice is and was female they don't believe me until they see me in a public setting and sure enough they have to concede that my voice blends in well with the other women there.
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Rachael

when people cant see an obvious change, its weird for them, but met an old school friend, and his most common phrase was 'oh my god'
im literally completely different in voice, apearance, and behaviour, it freaks people out :D

R :police:
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melissa90299

Quote from: Nero on August 07, 2007, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: regina on August 06, 2007, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: Fae on August 06, 2007, 11:36:50 PM
I've heard that it takes time to retrain your voice, so keep at it and eventually it won't disappear. 

Personally I don't plan to change my voice, as it's neither too masculine, nor overly feminine.  If I tried to change my voice I think it would sound fake to me.

~Fae

If you retrain your voice properly, it's no more fake than the voice you started with... it's all different parts of the same voice... there is no trick. The voice you've been socialized with is just as manipulated, altered and 'fake' as the voice you would have if you worked on it to make it sound more female. And yes, it does take a long time to do (I've been seeing a speech pathologist for over a year, and that was starting with my andro voice, not my 'original' voice). Eventually, the voice you started with will sound completely bizarre to you (as it did to me when I saw a video of 'me' from 7 years ago). Eventually, the voice you've worked on will be the only voice you hear, but you have to work on it until any other voice is out of your head and your voicebox muscles and way of speaking know no other way to it. When you get there, it won't sound fake in the least, and it will sound like the voice coming from inside you, the voice that expresses who you really are.

ciao,
Gina M.

It that really possible? To have gone through mtf puberty and get your voice into a female pitch? Now, I'm not saying I don't believe you or anything, I haven't heard your voice. But it seems all the transwomen voices I've heard fall into one of two categories.
male range voice with female speech and female communication
or obvious falsetto

I prefer the male range with female speech personally. It's natural and unique. Sounds lovely.
So, is there really a way to change the pitch without falling into falsetto?


The female range and male ranges overlap, A2=average male and A3= Average female voice, that is one octave (Sing "somewhere over the rainbow" If Some=a2 then where =a3) My trained female voice ranges from c2 to around d3, and occasionally jumps up to e5 (falsetto which is Ok if used correctly) So, like many GGs, I am at the lower end of the range. Of course, resonance is more important than pitch.
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Ms Bev

I'm already doing much better with the voice training.  Wow!  I would never have believed it.  Now, I can easilly enough do F4 pitch speech (falsetto for me is higher than that).  I can use this voice anytime I want now, but can only converse with it for about 10 minutes, then bring it down a couple notes.  I'm getting much more confident now.  I used it today at work a few times with customers, and they seemed to think I was just another nice woman who was easy to talk to.  The rest of the day, I relaxed, around A3.
I'm convinced now, that this is actually going to work!  Yay!

Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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