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HRT and going stealth

Started by speckyhailey, October 22, 2014, 08:21:22 AM

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speckyhailey

I posted this along with my intro but I thought it might be better to ask it here.

How easy do you think it would be to go stealth if I was to say, start HRT 2 months before the end of school, at the end of the rugby season? In terms of physique I am about 6" and slightly overweight (though this is mainly due to muscle rather than fat) and the women on my mum's side of my family have relatively small breasts and less wide hips whereas the women on my dad's side have quite large breasts and hips. Would I likely be able to hide the changes with dark coloured shirts and sports bras etc.?

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Jessica Merriman

With HRT no one can really answer this for you. Some have minor feminization after two years and people like me explode out in just months. It is just a roll of the dice.  :)
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Apples Mk.II

Unless you really hit the jackpot with the breast growth lottery and fat redistribution, you should not worry. And even like that, it should be at least three months before anything noticeable.. And as a rule of thumb, fat redistribution can take years to be noticeable. 18 months and I still have the same beer gut, only my booty is different.
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Athena

Possibly work extra hard on muscle development exercises.
Formally known as White Rabbit
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androgynouspainter26

Unless you are *insanely* lucky, you aren't going to have to worry about growing big naturals in just a few weeks (or, at all).  If you have lower body fat, and a sfelt family, you have no reason to worry at all.  And keep in mind that what growth there is-well, it looks like a small bit of swelling around the nipple for me, and I've been on HRT for two years now.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Julia (Apple-Whatever) on October 22, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
Unless you really hit the jackpot with the breast growth lottery and fat redistribution, you should not worry.
I finally won a lottery??????? WOO HOO!!!!   :eusa_dance: :icon_caffine: :icon_walk: :icon_joy: :icon_dance: :icon_pelvic_thrust2: :icon_woowoo:
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 23, 2014, 02:46:49 AM
I finally won a lottery??????? WOO HOO!!!!   :eusa_dance: :icon_caffine: :icon_walk: :icon_joy: :icon_dance: :icon_pelvic_thrust2: :icon_woowoo:

If that's your avatar, totally. I still look like a guy with nice legs, beer gut pec shaped A-cups. Oh well, nothing surgery can't fix, at least in the breasts.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Julia (Apple-Whatever) on October 23, 2014, 03:40:59 AM
If that's your avatar, totally. I still look like a guy with nice legs, beer gut pec shaped A-cups. Oh well, nothing surgery can't fix, at least in the breasts.
That is all me girl!! The real Jessica the Moderator Goddess!! *giggle*  ;D
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speckyhailey

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 23, 2014, 03:43:05 AM
That is all me girl!! The real Jessica the Moderator Goddess!! *giggle*  ;D

You really did have a gorgeous transition   :-* I hope to have a transition as good as yours but that might make going stealth a bit hard although I don't think anyone would actually say something at my school unless I came out.

Hugs,
Hailey
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: speckyhailey on October 23, 2014, 03:55:05 AM
You really did have a gorgeous transition   :-* I hope to have a transition as good as yours but that might make going stealth a bit hard although I don't think anyone would actually say something at my school unless I came out.

Hugs,
Hailey

Unless you change your daily presentation (facial hair removal, make-up, shaped eyebrows, growing your hair and overall shifting to an andro presentation), transition can be hidden for a really long time. While you don't change in public spaces, of course.
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galaxy

I think you dont need fat distribution and boobs to live stealth. For living stealth you need a feminine face and some practise with your voice.  These both things are really important to show people you are a woman. The other things get important later - for a partnerships, for yourself.
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: galaxy on October 23, 2014, 07:05:54 AM
I think you dont need fat distribution and boobs to live stealth. For living stealth you need a feminine face and some practise with your voice.  These both things are really important to show people you are a woman. The other things get important later - for a partnerships, for yourself.

We are talking about reverse-stealth. Hiding hormonal effects until situation it's safer.
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Eva Marie

As others have said, there are many factors that feed into how fast and to what degree changes happen, such as age, genetics, and the specific mix and dosages of meds you are taking.

I was taking a low dose of HRT for several years before deciding to go all of the way, and then I was on a transitioning dose of HRT for a full year before I came out - and people still hadn't caught on, although some people at work said that they had noticed some changes with my facial skin. I had perky A cups that were getting very hard to hide, and I could plainly see changes that were happening to my face, and my butt had grown a lot - and yet no one noticed anything other than the skin comment. People don't see what is plainly in front of them.

I would guess that you probably have a good 12-18 months ahead of you before you seriously have to begin worrying. It started for me when I began to experience male fails and mam's/she's in guy mode; i knew the end of stealth was arriving and it was time to complete my transition.
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speckyhailey

Quote from: Eva Marie on October 23, 2014, 09:19:12 AM
As others have said, there are many factors that feed into how fast and to what degree changes happen, such as age, genetics, and the specific mix and dosages of meds you are taking.

I was taking a low dose of HRT for several years before deciding to go all of the way, and then I was on a transitioning dose of HRT for a full year before I came out - and people still hadn't caught on, although some people at work said that they had noticed some changes with my facial skin. I had perky A cups that were getting very hard to hide, and I could plainly see changes that were happening to my face, and my butt had grown a lot - and yet no one noticed anything other than the skin comment. People don't see what is plainly in front of them.

I would guess that you probably have a good 12-18 months ahead of you before you seriously have to begin worrying. It started for me when I began to experience male fails and mam's/she's in guy mode; i knew the end of stealth was arriving and it was time to complete my transition.
I suppose with most people who see you everyday witnessing the changes as they happen people just don't realise. I think if I can I will start HRT at the start of my last year in high school and potentially go part time so I can work on passing so that I'm ready for full time when I go to university.
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Virginia

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It's sort of anticlimactic when you think about it, hormones generally have the most noticeable impact on people whose bodies exhibit strong secondary characteristics of their GAAB (It goes without saying if started early enough they can prevent irreversible changes from the body's GAAB hormones). But the physical effects hormones have on your body aren't what is going to make going stealth difficult; it's the changes to your mind. There are plenty of FTM's who pass just fine without hormones. You have the added advantage of puberty with testosterone on your side. But once the hormones of their GNAAB hit a transsexual's brain, it's like pushing a toboggan off a cliff. As the chemicals begin to alter your mind and perception of self, it will become increasingly difficult for you to keep up the facade of being a man. Change your mannerisms or grooming, lose your 5 o'clock shadow with electro/laser, begin wearing any makeup. thin your eyebrows, grow your hair, mix in women's clothing with your wardrobe- that's another story.

None of this applies if you aren't transsexual. My female alter and I have completely separate lives so from a transgender perspective you could say we are "stealth." I'm a trauma survivor with dissociative identity disorder (DID), tall and rail skinny with extremely androgynous features. My female alter had no problems with people recognizing she was a girl before I was given HRT when I was misdiagnosed with GD, and hormones have had very little effect on my physical appearance. Five years on a transition level dose of estrogen, I go without a shirt at the beach and no one ever questions my masculinity. Hormones eliminated my female alter's body dysphoria by decreasing my body hair so my body looked more like it did when she fronted for my System through junior high but had zip zero nada affect on my brain. Hormones can't change that; it's my job in my System to be a guy. What took five years of therapy to understand is that the psychological relief I get from estrogen has nothing to do with giving my brain the right hormones. The peace came from chemical castration and meeting my need as a trauma victim to end the cycle of abuse once and for all.

~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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galaxy

Quote from: Julia (Apple-Whatever) on October 23, 2014, 07:37:33 AM
We are talking about reverse-stealth. Hiding hormonal effects until situation it's safer.

*lol* ... sorry, in germany you have to go out before HRT. That kind of transition is not possible.
I dont think the HRT is working so much things in 2 month. You may got a softer skin and nothing really more. Recognizable breast growth comes later, fat distribution much, much later and losing muscles. But when testostrone is decreasing you will loose a lot of muscle power just after a 2 weeks.
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