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I think I'm transphobic... help

Started by sad panda, June 17, 2014, 12:54:32 AM

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@jess42

Thanks. Just to clarify I meant borderline PD and not bipolar depression, I'm not sure if you thought that or not but just clarifying. I can't even begin to define my moods and my feelings about life because they're so crazily unstable, except yeah... rarely positive.

But anyway, thank you for your positivity. I'm really trying not to just reject everything you said. It's honestly hard for me to take positivity seriously a lot of the time. I'm used to faking positivity just to not be a debbie downer everywhere I go (I am aware that this thread isn't exactly a shining example of that) so I honestly have to stop and really try to process all these positive ideas.

Though, please don't think my life is rainbows and sunshine because I look like a girl. I mean you said you'd trade anything to look like me (I'm sorry but it's hard to even type that because it sounds so wrong to me, I'm just repeating what you said though), but would you trade everything?

Not that I know for sure I would have had a stabler life if I didn't transition... but, since most of my problems moving forward in life are feeling stuck about this trans stuff, yeah I think I would be way better off on almost every count. And again, I wish I could believe people saying I'm pretty but, it just doesn't sound real to me. I'm sorry :-X

@Abby

Yeah... what Jen said. You are awesome.

And I definitely agree, I mean... I think what you said made complete sense and I've told myself that or something like that so many times.

I was just thinking about it but really, a lot of what I am suffering from is that at any given moment, my whole world is pretty much like... my environment + my current train of thought, which is also externally focused. I'm like missing the inner part that ties everything together and checks if it's valid or if I agree with it. Smth like that.

Actually it's just like when I was fat... I don't know if it was like this for you, but I mean most people are ashamed of being fat but can still live their life somehow... but for me, I couldn't cope with it. I had become my own trigger, so I basically completely disconnected from the world in order to not have to even be aware of myself. That was the only way to become remotely stable while still being fat, and I didn't become able to socialize and trust people again until I had stopped being fat, which mostly removed "me" from my list of triggers. Or at least simple, surface-level triggers.

Since I transitioned, I've been really trying not to allow myself to isolate as a way of dealing with this pain, because I already learned that would rob me of a future, not just the present. I really do want to pull up those roots. But that has meant that I'm always conscious of myself, and basically living in one giant trigger. I am my own walking trigger, and the thought patterns causing it haven't changed a bit since 10 years ago. I don't know how to deal with it. I don't know what I can do this time around to make it stop being an intense trigger other than obviously detransitioning. Really trying to find the answer, and when I think I've accepted being a crazy >-bleeped-< or whatever, it lasts about until I'm going to be around someone who has nothing to do with trans people. Then I start wanting to die because I have a belly or my voice sounds a little weird. It's not even that I overthink this, it's just that I keep coming back to it because it's never gone away.

I don't know. I'm really starting to think my brain is broken and meds are the only way this stuff is gonna change. :-\ It WAS different on wellbutrin, I stopped caring nearly as much (or even thinking about) what people think, but then I was confronted with not having any reasons to do anything anymore. I had completely stopped wanting anything from life. It was peaceful but really really hollow.

@ButterflyVickster

Yeah, I think you are pretty much echoing my thoughts on this. I don't have much to add because I agree, but, I didn't want you to think I missed your post! Thank you.

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Umiko

do i have to sing the happy song to you panda lol
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sad panda

Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on June 21, 2014, 01:26:16 AM
do i have to sing the happy song to you panda lol

Uhhh, yes. Yes you do. =3=

Actually better make it the happy trans chick song  :D
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sad panda

Yeeaaaah... by the way after my last big post (sorry I was kinda drinking tonight) I've gotten significantly irritated with how I'm being in this thread. I really didn't mean to just shoot everything down with negativity. I just want to say thank you again to everyone who has helped me in this thread and in others! You guys are all truly beautiful people, really, and I don't say that enough. It sucks that there are people like me caught up on labels and stuff who can't just accept it all as is, I mean even just in terms of accepting myself. So, hopefully this is the last time I'm gonna need this. I don't know. Anyway love you guys <3 you are all amazing.
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Umiko

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Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 02:14:20 AM
Uhhh, yes. Yes you do. =3=

Actually better make it the happy trans chick song  :D

or do like i do. i'm a basket case so i just jump around until my legs go into shock xD
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sad panda

Sorry I made you come up with a song even though I can't listen to it right now! :D don't want to wake a certain sleeping somebody right now and no clue where my headphones are ;o;

Oh and yeah, I do a lot of jumping around surprisingly :3 I'm like, five.
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Umiko

Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 02:57:59 AM
Sorry I made you come up with a song even though I can't listen to it right now! :D don't want to wake a certain sleeping somebody right now and no clue where my headphones are ;o;
xD haha! well when you do, lemme know xD warning, this song is highly addictive o:
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Declan.

I don't have any advice for you, just an apology. I know we have clashed a little in the past - perhaps not as much as some others have - but I didn't realize you were burdened with these feelings, and I truly apologize if I ever contributed to the way you feel about yourself and your situation.
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GendrKweer

I don't know where you live, and I don't know if it is a possibility, but try to change your location to one where being trans, even openly trans (ie non-passing) is perfectly fine, normal and sort of a who-cares-didn't-notice sort of thing. Or at least visit some of these places... Once you find a community where you are just "you" and your gender is not important and/or taken as you present it without question or comment you might find your transphobia melting away. Although I don't strive to pass, I couldn't imagine living in so many places where I would absolutely be considered outside enough of the norm to be a "freak" in the average person's eyes... that would be tiresome, though I could and have handled it for shorter periods of time. But put me in my favorite places (New Orleans being the number one for me personally, but your mileage may vary), and I am surrounded by love and acceptance.... it may be trite, but (as many gay and lesbian teens can attest I think) if you can change your surroundings, you might get a different outlook.
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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sad panda

Quote from: Declan. on June 21, 2014, 03:32:13 AM
I don't have any advice for you, just an apology. I know we have clashed a little in the past - perhaps not as much as some others have - but I didn't realize you were burdened with these feelings, and I truly apologize if I ever contributed to the way you feel about yourself and your situation.

Wow, thank you Declan. That is really sweet of you. I have to be honest, I did get to be sort of intimidated because I really felt that you didn't like me. But, it's not your fault at all. Even then, I completely could understand why you would feel that way, or even just a little irritated--I don't mean to speak for you. I mean, this stuff, I'm really not happy about any of it. I'm really sort of locked in this battle with what I feel vs what I want to feel and maybe know in my heart should be right, but I ultimately waver on everything. I can tend to say things I don't mean or not say what I mean right, just out of the stress of it. And a lot of times I regret what I did say. Even just on susan's... every little thing matters to me a lot. And I care about everyone here, a lot, even if I'm pushing people away, as confusing as that sounds. So I'm really, really sorry if I act kinda crazy sometimes, or say things that are hurtful... and frankly I'm honored that you went out of your way to understand that.  :)

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luna nyan

Quote from: sad panda on June 20, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
@luna nyan

You must have been a really smart kid then lol :o
Sort of! *lol*
Was fascinated by health care from a young age, and I did do very well at school without studying much.  The trans stuff - wow - my first exposure was Tim Curry in Rocky horror show!

Back to topic though, I've thought myself trans phobic on occasion.  I look at trans culture, and I go, "That's not me" and the cringe happens - for Aussies, it's kind of like the Aussie cultural cringe.  But in my heart of hearts, I know what I am in my core, and I have to accept it.
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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Jess42

Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 01:15:25 AM
@jess42

Thanks. Just to clarify I meant borderline PD and not bipolar depression, I'm not sure if you thought that or not but just clarifying. I can't even begin to define my moods and my feelings about life because they're so crazily unstable, except yeah... rarely positive.

But anyway, thank you for your positivity. I'm really trying not to just reject everything you said. It's honestly hard for me to take positivity seriously a lot of the time. I'm used to faking positivity just to not be a debbie downer everywhere I go (I am aware that this thread isn't exactly a shining example of that) so I honestly have to stop and really try to process all these positive ideas.

Though, please don't think my life is rainbows and sunshine because I look like a girl. I mean you said you'd trade anything to look like me (I'm sorry but it's hard to even type that because it sounds so wrong to me, I'm just repeating what you said though), but would you trade everything?

Not that I know for sure I would have had a stabler life if I didn't transition... but, since most of my problems moving forward in life are feeling stuck about this trans stuff, yeah I think I would be way better off on almost every count. And again, I wish I could believe people saying I'm pretty but, it just doesn't sound real to me. I'm sorry :-X


Borderline PD? Well I really have no personality disorders other than two distinct personalities. One that is the real me that is on this sight and in private and the other the one I face the real world with face to face people everyday. I have been assured this is psychologically normal by quite a few professionals. I guess it is normal for me but to the extent that the differences between the two is 180 degrees.

Sad panda, no life is all rainbows and sunshine. It is an experience and one hell of a roller coaster ride with many ups and downs and much like a roller coaster the downs are far faster and more than the ups. And the ups just take so long to reach the top.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to get at or I might have worded it wrong. I would trade everything to have transitioned young and be as pretty and so on to be able to live as I would love to have lived from a much younger age. And yes Hon, if I could I would take your pain too. I have wrestled with my own demons and have won quite a few battles with them. Whether yours would beat me or not, I can't say. But I have been at the rock bottom more than I would like to have been. I won't lie climbing out is sometimes painful and seemingly impossible, but just from replies to your post there are plenty of people that are throwing you a rope. Hell if I could I would climb down so you could stand on my shoulders to get out. Like I said, rock bottom is nothing new to me.

Don't apologize. Especially for being honest. What life holds for us is a total mystery and sort of like an adventure some positive and some negative. If you think about it, if I took the same route you did and transitioned young I may have been facing the same feelings and problems you are right now. Also if you think about it and would have chosen the path I did, you may be facing some of the problems and negatives that I do now and one of those is regret and another is anger at myself. We just really don't know how things will effect us in the long run but we make choices and we have to do the best we can to try to be the best person that we can be regardless of anything else. We all have demons, we just have to figure out how to beat them.
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Declan.

Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 04:30:05 AM
Wow, thank you Declan. That is really sweet of you. I have to be honest, I did get to be sort of intimidated because I really felt that you didn't like me. But, it's not your fault at all. Even then, I completely could understand why you would feel that way, or even just a little irritated--I don't mean to speak for you. I mean, this stuff, I'm really not happy about any of it. I'm really sort of locked in this battle with what I feel vs what I want to feel and maybe know in my heart should be right, but I ultimately waver on everything. I can tend to say things I don't mean or not say what I mean right, just out of the stress of it. And a lot of times I regret what I did say. Even just on susan's... every little thing matters to me a lot. And I care about everyone here, a lot, even if I'm pushing people away, as confusing as that sounds. So I'm really, really sorry if I act kinda crazy sometimes, or say things that are hurtful... and frankly I'm honored that you went out of your way to understand that.  :)

I've never disliked you, but I can see why you thought I did - I can be rather crabby and insensitive. What you said makes sense, and there's no need to apologize. Many of us have gone through periods where we push people away and wage wars with ourselves. I doubt even one person would try to blame you for that after reading your posts here.
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sad panda

Quote from: Jess42 on June 21, 2014, 09:08:26 AM
Borderline PD? Well I really have no personality disorders other than two distinct personalities. One that is the real me that is on this sight and in private and the other the one I face the real world with face to face people everyday. I have been assured this is psychologically normal by quite a few professionals. I guess it is normal for me but to the extent that the differences between the two is 180 degrees.

Sad panda, no life is all rainbows and sunshine. It is an experience and one hell of a roller coaster ride with many ups and downs and much like a roller coaster the downs are far faster and more than the ups. And the ups just take so long to reach the top.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to get at or I might have worded it wrong. I would trade everything to have transitioned young and be as pretty and so on to be able to live as I would love to have lived from a much younger age. And yes Hon, if I could I would take your pain too. I have wrestled with my own demons and have won quite a few battles with them. Whether yours would beat me or not, I can't say. But I have been at the rock bottom more than I would like to have been. I won't lie climbing out is sometimes painful and seemingly impossible, but just from replies to your post there are plenty of people that are throwing you a rope. Hell if I could I would climb down so you could stand on my shoulders to get out. Like I said, rock bottom is nothing new to me.

Don't apologize. Especially for being honest. What life holds for us is a total mystery and sort of like an adventure some positive and some negative. If you think about it, if I took the same route you did and transitioned young I may have been facing the same feelings and problems you are right now. Also if you think about it and would have chosen the path I did, you may be facing some of the problems and negatives that I do now and one of those is regret and another is anger at myself. We just really don't know how things will effect us in the long run but we make choices and we have to do the best we can to try to be the best person that we can be regardless of anything else. We all have demons, we just have to figure out how to beat them.

Thank you. I want to say more but I think I just need to shut up and listen sometimes without getting negative towards myself. Again, I really appreciate your support.

But I do want to say just, please don't envy me or my situation. I just don't like being envied by older transitioners. No matter what my attitude is... I have a physical disfigurement, you know? It's painful either way, I'm just coping the best I can.

Quote from: Declan. on June 21, 2014, 02:48:37 PMI doubt even one person would try to blame you for that after reading your posts here.

Thank you so much Declan, that really means a lot to me.  :)
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Jess42

Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Thank you. I want to say more but I think I just need to shut up and listen sometimes without getting negative towards myself. Again, I really appreciate your support.

But I do want to say just, please don't envy me or my situation. I just don't like being envied by older transitioners. No matter what my attitude is... I have a physical disfigurement, you know? It's painful either way, I'm just coping the best I can.

Thank you so much Declan, that really means a lot to me.  :)

I can understand that sad panda. But Hon, I am nontransitioning. I am trying to do the best with what I got and me too. I'm just trying to cope. I guess what I am more or less trying to do is to find a way both sides can exist in harmony regardless of anything else. It's just something for whatever reason feels like the path I should have traveled. Anyway I am not the perfect male specimen, maybe nature trying to tell me something, and that helps at times with dysphoria. But my choices comes with its own set of problems though. All choices we make do.

One word of advice sad panda. There are enough people in this world that will think negative of you no matter whether you are trans, cis, gay, staight, skinny, fat, beautiful or ugly or a million other things. But you of all people, really shouldn't be thinking negatively about yourself. I have many antifans of myself and way more people could care less about me than do care about me but I could care less. The people that do care about me are the ones that are important to me and me to myself. No one else really matters.
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Katerinah1947

Quote from: sad panda on June 21, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Thank you. I want to say more but I think I just need to shut up and listen sometimes without getting negative towards myself. Again, I really appreciate your support.

But I do want to say just, please don't envy me or my situation. I just don't like being envied by older transitioners. No matter what my attitude is... I have a physical disfigurement, you know? It's painful either way, I'm just coping the best I can.

Thank you so much Declan, that really means a lot to me.  :)

Darling,
Please allow me to be me. I love you, in all those non romantic ways, but I love you and the pain from your posts is staggering........me.
Transition was so tough for me, and scary because of extreme social, family and religious pressures. It happened anyway, and today I had some slight problems with my memory reaally, but I didn't know that at first. So, instead doubt, self revulsion when it should never ever have been there, started to creep in. I then found this: http://www.bustle.com/articles/7727-im-a-transgender-woman-and-this-is-what-its-like
My original question to myself, and I am a scientist so this is how we think: Why is it estrogen maked me feel sane. Never should I have asked myself that, as there is so much out there, but somehow today I wanted to look that up, to see if what the doctor ever said to me was true. She and I say, Estrogen makes a mtf transgender person feel normal, and even healthy for the first time in their whole lives. I was 66 when I finally caved in, in my mind, to the effects of being transgendered, plus mstical, medically they tell me, and to realease another great secret in my life.
This is next year, and it is amazing how mentally healty I feel for the first time in my life, and that is personal, as more than five psychologists over the years, two with full psychatric exams, have always then and now pronounce me as totally sane. The most recent one, for the Government to issue drugs for being transgendered said, and she/I/Kate is transgendered.
Now, they also said two other things which might help. I am also in a mystical marriage in which He, yes He, asked me and I said YES!, eventually. I also lead my life constantly by what God says I should do, mystically most of the time. THE REASON I SAY THIS, is if you have any issues with The Christian version of God, that God, what they refer to as The God, asked me a transgendered woman, in a mans body, to marry. So, if you have that issue, can you have it now, if you can believe all the civilian experts (Psychologists), and the formal religious test I was put through for this (A fleece type of test), to say it is true.
Now, last week as this sometimes closeted brainiac, (I hide it, from most everyone all of the time. I think I will be rejected by everyone for it.), is delivering her solution to a Ph.D. who outed her that way in front of everyone, I was so sick that day, also, that when I told them they could also use other techiniques in the future to keep me alive, in front of an to the big tough ex marine fighter pilot and my boss I said: but don't let them see my bra. This guy was not told by me yet, the others were. I was so sick that this came out, and also. I don't want them to see my chest. I meant onlookers. The paramedics who were there, of course I don't mean them. This marine says to me. At your age, we will just call it a man bra. Then he adds after I talk about my chest, being larger: At your age we will call them moobs. He meant to others.
I have always incorrectly assessed other's views of my trangenderness as horrid, disgusting, not normal, in my off and unthinking or in my female moments. This is bad, even in those female moments, I was complaining that I look male, there is no guy ever who will see the girl inside of me. The totally straight guy speaks up and says basically, In whose mind only is that true? Yes, in my mind only. How deviant can I get from the truth sometimes? It is large.
Comfotably now, I work looking male and knowing not only do guys see through all this maleness, but they also, even the women, have zero problems with this.
...Katerina.
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jojoglowe

I had also internalized transphobia :(

What helped me was getting in touch with energy healers. People who do stuff like reiki.

I also had the opportunity to try a psychoactive substance (DMT, in a legal setting) a few times, and it greatly helped me to accept myself.

DISCLAIMER: I would not suggest you try any substances in an illegal setting without the guidance of a professional. Also, there are phony/inexperienced energy workers. If you choose to have a reiki session, you should be able to feel the "electricity," if you don't feel it, you didn't actually get reiki.

Also, I understand some folks might think energy stuff like reiki is pseudo science or bologna. That's cool and I support you having your own beliefs, please reciprocate.
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Katerinah1947

Quote from: jojoglowe on November 29, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
I had also internalized transphobia :(

What helped me was getting in touch with energy healers. People who do stuff like reiki.

I also had the opportunity to try a psychoactive substance (DMT, in a legal setting) a few times, and it greatly helped me to accept myself.

DISCLAIMER: I would not suggest you try any substances in an illegal setting without the guidance of a professional. Also, there are phony/inexperienced energy workers. If you choose to have a reiki session, you should be able to feel the "electricity," if you don't feel it, you didn't actually get reiki.


Also, I understand some folks might think energy stuff like reiki is pseudo science or bologna. That's cool and I support you having your own beliefs, please reciprocate.
Dear Sad Panda,
Even above this, she was able to make progress. That doctor, psychologist, I went to also handled mystical things other than from my perspective it seemed to me, and she totally handled my internalized transphobia. Yet, she totally saw what was in me and with me mystically. She also knew I also loved being a female. If Reiki, works and always in a good way, never a bad way, then it also is really from God, and it is for your benefit and help to be healed, if you need healing. Girls need help we always do.
Transphobia, exists to some extent briefly in many many many transgendered people, and it usually passes as they transition. Mine is almost totally gone. If yours is exceptionally strong and resistant do what you need to in order to defeat this lie. However as you spoke of your future, mine went to zero, in a year and a few months more after transitioning and telling everyone I am trans. Letting those TROLLS exit after revealing themselves, is an amazing experience. Also, noting that TROLLS, in any area of life are TROLLS in all areas of life, excepting in acting and trying to present themselves as perfect loving people to the public, helps. My present inverstment advisor, who wanted nothing ever to do with a certain person, (A  closeted Troll. ), told me he would never ever deal  with this person I am talking about now, who horribly would Troll me, not only on being transgendered but in two other areas of my life also. This investment advisor said, all of my clients are nice and are my friends, I don't need nor want the others, No, I will not deal with that man again. I tried and tried, and was going to really make him take this man back again, until he outed himself to me, Horribly. Then I had to apologize to my investment advisor and handle this 'man' appropriately for his condition.
Trolls are never right, they just tell you they are and expect you to follow and believe them. They are the equivalent of Hitler-wanna-be's. That is an analogy, but horribly accurate.
Hating trans, or hating homosexuals, almost always stems from one source. It is that you are trans, and you don't want to be. Hating homosexuals is the same thing in studies. Some of which were done in emergency situations because some teenagers had done horrors to a homosexual. In that case, they found the teenagers had homosexual feelings, hated them probably, and then when faced with the awful truth of that, attacked the homosexual person who recently gave them those feelings.
Also hating actions is allowed like stealing, hating people is not allowed, you can't hate the thief it is incorrect, you hate the act. Trans is no act, you are no act after transitioning, you cannot hate yourself, you hate the act. If you hate anything regarding being trans, hate what you present as falsely, a guy in a girl's body or a girl in a man's body, for you are not your body in those cases, you are what you are inside, anything else is not true.
So, if that is correct, you are really fighting being disgusted over who you are, when the whole world is not disgusted at all by who you are, if they do not have your problem.
Recently, over and over again, the educated are fascinated by my issue, where I am still not entirely happy with it. I am learning to set aside those wrong emotions, and see myself correctly. When I am totally objective, in my situation, I am accepted and loved by the world and someday because I am a straight transgendered girl, some guy will think I am great and want to marry me for real.
It takes though work to realize I am fine. It is ever so common to think it would be easier, to not be trans and to hate everyone in the world for my horrible situation, when hatred of others for anything, is wrong. Hating, even the world for making me trans can easily morph over to hating myself because I am trans. Remember though, you are only doing that in your down moments, when your emotions take over too much, which also is totally female. In time you will know you are wrong, not only on yourself, but the world. In time you will find the wonders also of being trans, as they are there also, in time also you wil realize that being trans is not the best thing in the world that there could ever be, it has some drawbacks also, but, those drawbacks are just being female, and every female has those same issues.
I don't think I have helped one little bit. I am sorry.
...Katerina.
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