Very very confused

[Marina1993]

Oh that is really strange! You're going to investigate the reason why further? Or did you accept you don't know why?
It is a little strange because it is not normal for a ''normal born man''. Sorry to ask maybe you don't want to answer..
You have also small testis and a small penis (micropenis)?(before hrt ofcourse).

I really don't know what it is and why.. but I'm sure it can't be just a variety of a man.. (Which some people want to tell me because they don't know anymore what to think of me because its so strange hihi)

Because of this and because I was bullied because of this because I didn't look like a normal boy it is very difficult for me to identify myself as a '' transsexual ''. Also the gp and a woman of an intersex movement here in Holland told me that I'm not developed fully as a man so the case ''transsexual'' can be discussed because its not only an physological problem for me but also a medical/physical problem. Sorry for my many words. Do you understand?

[Railgun]

I checked the most obvious possible reasons and since they all evaluated to false it simply comes down to genetics, i guess.
So yes... i just accepted to know that i know nothing. :p

And no, i have no micropenis... quite the opposite actually. Material that will come in handy for SRS... °.^
As for the testicles... i don't know. They're normal... i guess? I have actually no clue what is small and what is big for testis. 

As for the transsexual thing.... You were assigned as one gender at birth but identify as the other and this identification is strong enough that you seeked to fully transition.
In my view that completely fullfills the criteria for transsexuality. You don't have to fully develop as a man/women to be transsexual. And as for your "symptoms": I would just see them as a gift.

[Marina1993]

I understand your point of view. Although many people with intersex conditions are assigned one gender and choose for the other.
Also I can't even fully do the ''full'' transition because of my micropenis they told me it's almost impossible to operate.
Happily I don't have problems the way it is now because its so small and as thin as a clitoris that I easily can fit in a bikini without seeing anything.
Also this

Janet Green, executive director for New Jersey-based support group Bodies Like Ours, explains that intersex refers to someone with atypical genitals, like an enlarged clitoris or a "micropenis." It can also refer to someone who has one ovary and one testicle, or someone whose chromosomes are, say, XXYX instead of XX or XY.

So because of my micropenis I can say I'm intersexed. But I don't believe it's that easy.
Anyways I don't mind you calling me a transgender and I am not claiming anything, but I just wanted to tell you my point of view.

And I understand you tell me to be happy about my ''symptoms'' and partially I am.. but it was also the reason that I was bullied for many years so that's easy to say.

[emilyking]

Hey Marina.
I personally just found out I have PAIS.
Your symptoms, are just like mine.  Well except I don't know what my hormone levels where before starting ERT. 
My GP had the gene test done, and it came back with an unknown version, so I might have a thing or two different than atypical PAIS.
I thought I was XXY as well, because it fit but I still had a higher level of T, even on low dose Spiro.

I'm glad you where able to live as you see fit so young.  I grew up in a Fundamentalist Church environment, so I had to wait out of fear and hate.

[JoDavanee]

How is that test called? How can I ask for it?

The test here is called a karyotype test.. You can have it done by a endocrinologist which I absolutely suggest..

[emilyking]

Actually they will need to order two tests. One is a karyotype test to see if your XY/XX/XXY etc.
The other is a gene test.  They will test to see if you have any known or unknown mutations of you Andergen Receptor gene.

Like in my case, I'm XY, with an unknown mutation.

[Marina1993]

Actually they will need to order two tests. One is a karyotype test to see if your XY/XX/XXY etc.
The other is a gene test.  They will test to see if you have any known or unknown mutations of you Andergen Receptor gene.

Like in my case, I'm XY, with an unknown mutation.

Emily is it possible we can have a chat? I really have to talk to someone with similar symptomes

[JoDavanee]

My mutation was very obvious so I just had the karyotype test, hormone levels checked, and then a few ultrasounds and a pelvis MRI to be certain.

Depending on the karyotype, there are other tests that should be done.. That's why I suggest the karyotype test first.

[Marina1993]

Hey JoDavanee what were your symptoms?

[JoDavanee]

Hi Marina!

Are you talking about symptoms before receiving my full diagnosis, or the diagnosis itself..?

[Marina1993]

I thought I red somewehere you are XXY? I meant the symptoms you had before you get any diagnosis

[Marina1993]

Hey people !

I did find something out.

Aren't my symptoms a form of '' Secondary Hypogonadism ''  or  '' idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism ''..
because with '' Primary Hypogonadism '' Your testosterone is Low to low-normal and your LH AND FSH are high-normal or elevated
And in Secondary Hypogonadism you have a Low to Low-normal testosterone and a low to low-normal LH an FSH.

Since I have all the symptoms and my LH is 2.2 the only possibility is '' Secondary Hypogonadism/IHH '' Isn't it?
That would rule out XXY/XX/PAIS/MAIS because they all have elevated or high-normal LH right?
It seems this is the only possible reason for my symptoms..

Can I get the diagnosis IHH from only showing the results of bloodtest before my HRT and my symptoms?

[JoDavanee]

Hi Marina!

I'm 46XX/47XXY..

TBH self-diagnosing is a bit odd and difficult.. I absolutely wouldn't suggest it. 

[Marina1993]

I don't mean self diagnosing! I mean can a doctor Diagnose me with this with the info of my bloodtest and my symptoms/genitals?

[Indoctrinated]

Hey people !

I did find something out.

Aren't my symptoms a form of '' Secondary Hypogonadism ''  or  '' idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism ''..
because with '' Primary Hypogonadism '' Your testosterone is Low to low-normal and your LH AND FSH are high-normal or elevated
And in Secondary Hypogonadism you have a Low to Low-normal testosterone and a low to low-normal LH an FSH.

Since I have all the symptoms and my LH is 2.2 the only possibility is '' Secondary Hypogonadism/IHH '' Isn't it?
That would rule out XXY/XX/PAIS/MAIS because they all have elevated or high-normal LH right?
It seems this is the only possible reason for my symptoms..

Can I get the diagnosis IHH from only showing the results of bloodtest before my HRT and my symptoms?

Most probably you're going to be tested for other things for proper diagnosis. My current endo first ordered 43 tests and we found out lots of things...