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Pellet implant HRT dangerous???

Started by Lauren Nicole, December 04, 2014, 08:47:31 AM

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Lauren Nicole

I started HRT about 3 months ago w/ orals and the results are okay at best which was expected. I have done a ton of reading recently on subcutaneous pellet HRT (thanks JennyGirl for all the awesome posts btw! ;D), and it really seems like its the way to go for myself or at least give it a try. ... So I got in contact with my endo and he said that he doesn't do the pellets and that he thinks they are dangerous. Is this a red flag that I should consider talking with another endo at this point who may be more experienced on this subject? My endo is supposed to be really good with trans patients but I am having second thoughts.

Forgive me if this is a newb question. Thanks for the guidance!
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Trillium

Maybe ask your endo if they can elaborate on what makes them dangerous. It might just be that because you've only been on HRT for 3 months so it could be hard to judge the correct amount of estrogen for an implant. I've not looked into it yet myself but it is also something I'd like to go for, so I'm interested to see what replies you get here.
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Clhoe G

They ain't that bad but there is a risk that they can dissolve to fast, which can cause a lot of problems but the risk is quite low, so I'd say your endo is just over cautious.
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

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Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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Lauren Nicole

Thanks for the replies! ... He just seems so dismissive on it and like he doesn't want anything to do with it. .. Also, I just found out from my therapist that apparently the pellets aren't too popular in our area (east coast). I am thinking it may be a good idea to seek a different Endo further away as my current one just seems a little too old fashioned. Ex. when I first started HRT he wanted to give me depo provera injections as an AA (had to specifically ask for spiro) and also doesn't offer progesterone w/ HRT.
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Clhoe G

 depo provera? Yep you totally need a new endo
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

Quote.
-Jimmy fallon-

Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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kelly_aus

Quote from: Korie on December 04, 2014, 11:41:58 AM
Ex. when I first started HRT he wanted to give me depo provera injections as an AA (had to specifically ask for spiro) and also doesn't offer progesterone w/ HRT.

You know that cis girls manage to grow breasts just fine without progesterone, right?

Someone, anyone, show me a proper study on this, as anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.
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Lauren Nicole

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Quote from: kelly_aus on December 04, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
You know that cis girls manage to grow breasts just fine without progesterone, right?

Someone, anyone, show me a proper study on this, as anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.

Just having the option available would be nice. Thanks! ;)
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Clhoe G

Quote from: kelly_aus on December 04, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
You know that cis girls manage to grow breasts just fine without progesterone, right?

Someone, anyone, show me a proper study on this, as anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.

You do know progesterone is naturally produced by cis girls, during puberty... Right?

proper study, Yeah, OK http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3738150/

Support to just 1 of the studies.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone click function scroll to female breasts

http://www.livestrong.com/article/319391-the-effects-of-progesterone-on-the-breasts/#page=1

Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

Quote.
-Jimmy fallon-

Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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KayXo

Quote from: kelly_aus on December 04, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
You know that cis girls manage to grow breasts just fine without progesterone, right?

Someone, anyone, show me a proper study on this, as anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.

The only way to find out for yourself is to try some, preferably bio-identical progesterone, if agreed by your doctor. I take some and I think it's helped with having larger areolas and nipples and given me fuller breasts...some report no difference, some report a SIGNIFICANT difference and studies have shown progesterone to stimulate certain areas in the breast not affected by estrogen alone (lobulo-alveolar) so that the breast is more mature with the addition of P. It can also provide other benefits but can also give other negative symptoms for others.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Lauren Nicole

Thanks for the replies! I am hoping to find a new endo in the coming weeks who is a little more up-to-date!
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AnonyMs

Good luck finding a new endo.

My philosophy regarding doctors is there's a large proportion of fools among them, there's a few great ones, and there's the rest. You need to try to figure out which type you have. Don't take it on trust that because they have qualifications they are competent, or that the medical profession will weed out the bad ones - it won't. I've had way to many bad experiences.

I'm not saying you current endo is bad, but there's always that possibility. I always double check my doctors at every opportunity to try and work it out. For example, asking questions that I already know the answer to, just to see what they say. Asking other doctors about the treatment so see what they say. I read the literature where possible to check, and to see if they are up to date.

Regarding implants they have been used for years by genetic women, and if they were seriously dangerous no one would be using them. Life is all about risk, and you need to judge whats acceptable. Is a small risk of dying from an implant worth the risk? Whats sufficiently small? To put it in perspective, you've probably got a 1% or so chance of dying in a car accident. I'm overweight, and that's a pretty serious risk. Not much drinking but only because I don't like it. Apparently taking estrogen is dangerous - it increases the risk of dying from various things, and so does taking testosterone. I'm quite sure I've got vastly more risk of dying sooner if I don't take it though.

If the doctor says something is risky but won't quantity it, he's projecting his personal beliefs onto my treatment. That's not acceptable.

Personally I really like implants, and if something goes bad, well, it was my choice and my responsibility.
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Clhoe G

 Unfortunately I agree with that, there is a lot of fools in the medical community, always seek a second opinion, from another doctor and research things they say online. 
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

Quote.
-Jimmy fallon-

Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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Lauren Nicole

Quote from: AnonyMs on December 08, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
Good luck finding a new endo.

My philosophy regarding doctors is there's a large proportion of fools among them, there's a few great ones, and there's the rest. You need to try to figure out which type you have. Don't take it on trust that because they have qualifications they are competent, or that the medical profession will weed out the bad ones - it won't. I've had way to many bad experiences.

I'm not saying you current endo is bad, but there's always that possibility. I always double check my doctors at every opportunity to try and work it out. For example, asking questions that I already know the answer to, just to see what they say. Asking other doctors about the treatment so see what they say. I read the literature where possible to check, and to see if they are up to date.

Regarding implants they have been used for years by genetic women, and if they were seriously dangerous no one would be using them. Life is all about risk, and you need to judge whats acceptable. Is a small risk of dying from an implant worth the risk? Whats sufficiently small? To put it in perspective, you've probably got a 1% or so chance of dying in a car accident. I'm overweight, and that's a pretty serious risk. Not much drinking but only because I don't like it. Apparently taking estrogen is dangerous - it increases the risk of dying from various things, and so does taking testosterone. I'm quite sure I've got vastly more risk of dying sooner if I don't take it though.

If the doctor says something is risky but won't quantity it, he's projecting his personal beliefs onto my treatment. That's not acceptable.

Personally I really like implants, and if something goes bad, well, it was my choice and my responsibility.

Thank you for this. I have asked him a few questions recently that I seemed to get somewhat conflicting answers on.
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KayXo

Quote from: AnonyMs on December 08, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
Apparently taking estrogen is dangerous - it increases the risk of dying from various things, and so does taking testosterone

Thus, being a woman/man is dangerous??? What? Something doesn't add up, I just don't buy it, sorry. Just my opinion. 
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Trillium

Quote from: KayXo on December 08, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
Thus, being a woman/man is dangerous??? What? Something doesn't add up, I just don't buy it, sorry. Just my opinion.

You mean 'being a Trans woman/man is dangerous?' if so yes statistically and in terms of treatment it is. Cis-gendered people for the most part do not need to take estrogen/testosterone but the ones who do face the same risk.
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Ms Grace

They're par for the course with my endo. He was quite keen on me having one.
Grace
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Tessa James

I have had medical providers suggest pellets as a safer option for someone like me who is a senior person.  Yes, another opinion seems warranted.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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