Just a random thought on what could be a more effective 'test' for trans people

[darkblade]

I doubt it would be useful to test something. Regression seems to be mostly self-deceit anyway. But since it can be used to induce self-deceit, how about using hypnosis to cure GID? to remove the self doubts and thoughts about the previous gender. I know we all have too much self-talk about not being able to pass and stuff, maybe it could clear that?

I imagine this would involve deliberately planting false memories? I need to brush up on my knowledge of hypnosis (read up on it a lot in middle school) but I doubt something like this would be ethical.

[Elis]

I imagine this would involve deliberately planting false memories? I need to brush up on my knowledge of hypnosis (read up on it a lot in middle school) but I doubt something like this would be ethical.

True, what's ethical medically is becoming more of a blurred line as medice is progressing imo.

[suzifrommd]

Well one might say that if you've read a book, watched a movie, or driven a car, you've been hypnotized because all of those are hypnotic phenomenon.

What do you mean by hypnotic phenomenon?

When you read, for example, your brain is responding not to the sensory information from your body, but to a reality that is constructed within your imagination. Likewise when you're watching a movie, even though you know it isn't real, the images you're seeing are bypassing your conscious and penetrating into your subconscious which is interpreting them as real. Your heartbeat will actually quicken when you're watching an exciting scene, no matter how much you know it's fictional.

Driving is a different sort of phenomenon. Your critical consciousness is being bypassed by the signals your eyes are picking up from the road. Your subconscious is in charge, and reacts to changes in direction of the road by automatically steering without you having to be conscious of it.

Does this all make sense?

[Elis]

What do you mean by hypnotic phenomenon?


When you read, for example, your brain is responding not to the sensory information from your body, but to a reality that is constructed within your imagination. Likewise when you're watching a movie, even though you know it isn't real, the images you're seeing are bypassing your conscious and penetrating into your subconscious which is interpreting them as real. Your heartbeat will actually quicken when you're watching an exciting scene, no matter how much you know it's fictional.

Driving is a different sort of phenomenon. Your critical consciousness is being bypassed by the signals your eyes are picking up from the road. Your subconscious is in charge, and reacts to changes in direction of the road by automatically steering without you having to be conscious of it.

Does this all make sense?

Yeah, thanks for the input.

[JustASeq]

Personally I feel that a 'test' for ones 'trans-ness' (or lack of) is rather problematic.

[Lynne]

Personally I feel that a 'test' for ones 'trans-ness' (or lack of) is rather problematic.

I feel the same way. I thought long and hard about how to know for sure I'm trans because I really did not want to go through transition. The more information I gathered, the more unsure I was about everything. For example ask an avarage cis female why she knows for sure she is a female, or how does it feel to be a female. And probably she will not have any satisfactory answers. If we would 'test' her somehow, she probably wouldn't score any higher than an avarage MtF transsexual. It would be very reassuring for some to have some tests that can tell 100% that somebody is trans, but it would also be very limiting I think. In my opinion we should just work on creating a world where all these things does not matter and everybody can live as they want to.

[Elis]

[quote author=Lynne link=topic=179207.msg1583408#msg1583408 date=141787071 In my opinion we should just work on creating a world where all these things does not matter and everybody can live as they want to.
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Very well put  . From reading these posts I suppose using hypnosis for people with a 'mental' or neurological condition would be considered unethical so isn't used apart from some addictions people have that aren't caused by these conditions. I guess there are so many variables that could do the patient more damage and I suspect there are laws preventing its use medically, such as how electrocution was used to cure homosexuality but is now banned.