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Interesting video on transgender

Started by jasellebelle, December 06, 2014, 10:06:19 PM

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emilyking

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on December 07, 2014, 04:12:45 PM
This is me basically and how I've felt since I joined this site. I love this place but its been difficult relating to a lot of people here. I find it tough to share my experiences. I remember there was a member not too long ago that I found I could finally relate with but they ended up being closing their account. 
This is how I feel as well, and I'm 35.
I can relate to teens, better than my own age group.  Plus, I never had a male puberty, much less married a female or had kids.
I try to give input when I can, but I hardy post anymore.
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anjaq

Quote from: Annabolton on December 08, 2014, 10:13:21 AM
the 19 and 14 year old are both completely pre transition and im trying my best to convince them to start hrt asap but all I get from them is excuses...  both there parents are supportive too...guess you can only help those who want help
Wow - I would have jhumped at any chance to get hormones if I could. LOL - I was even stupid enough to steal some premarins from my mom when I was in that age, but she noticed and wondered and so I never did again...

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Carrie Liz

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Quote from: PinkCloud on December 08, 2014, 08:01:47 AM
Most cis-woman can't relate to cis-teenage girls. Most teenage cis-girls don't discuss sexual urges of old cis-woman. They COMPLETELY cannot connect with the older cis-woman. So I can't see how this suddenly relates to being trans*? and what is so innate about them, unless it is some shady attempt to "Being more TTT" and I'm not trans anymore and leave the community and my sisters to fend for themselves. Sorry to say, but those who transitioned early (I know two), were my best friends when I transitioned. They did not hide, they even went public from a couple of years of stealth, to help our sisters. Feel free to correct me. :)

No, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being trans. Generally in the Cleveland trans group I go to, the older transitioners like talking about their kids, their professional life, other people they've met, trying to implore wisdom on the younger set, and other "adult" stuff. Most of the 25-35ish transisitioners are very much among the hipster generation, and thus like talking about video games, movies, nutrition and diets because we're all starting to get fat :P, Lord of the Rings, Transformers, the struggles of trying to get our professional lives on track, and our various ideas and artistic ventures. Young adult stuff. And the trans kids are still talking about high school stuff like school, parties, music, friends, dating, what they're doing on vacation, etc.

I do notice a difference, though, in terms of how each group reports that they experienced dysphoria, and specifically what experiences they tend to focus on and talk about, and what they personally believe defines their gender. But yes, there is definitely a lot more to it than that. And honestly even those different focuses might just be the result of a generational gap, or even just because we've all had to endure different durations of society trying to hammer our birth gender into our heads, so therefore we feel differing amounts of a need to somehow prove our gender.

I think the experience of dysphoria very much might be exactly the same regardless of age. But think of the possible impact of our evolving culture... The pressure to conform to a rigid gender binary due to the culture might have made older transitioners more likely to be forced to do things in secret, hence the common "secret crossdressing" narrative and the narratives about having to act stereotypically-masculine pre-transition. I grew up as a child of 60s parents, and in a much more lenient school environment where gender-nonconformity, namely it being totally okay for girls to be athletes, policemen, firemen, and the like, was celebrated by the school, so for me I didn't face the same harsh completely-gender-segregating oppression that older trans people faced, so the defining aspects of my dysphoria were not "secret" things, but rather "open" things, namely being teased by others for my effeminate behavior, and the bodily dysphoria that came along with puberty. This seems to be a more common experience among the 25-35 set. And trans kids today are growing up in a generation where the things you like are even less defined by gender, and now it's even becoming normal for boys to do feminine things, so I think that has a lot to do with it too.

I REALLY hope nobody took my prior post as a "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" post... that was NOT the intent. I wasn't somehow implying that trans kids are "more trans" because their gender seems more incidental to them. It very well might just be because they haven't had to deal with having their gender invalidated as harshly or as long by society as older transitioners have had to put up with.
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BunnyBee

Smartly put, Carrie.  I observe similar things just on this site.  I think I agree that the dysphoria may be the same, but life experiences alter narratives and they we may look at things, even the semantics differ between age groups, which leads to a lot of unnecessary arguments here sometimes.
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anjaq

I am not sure it is just the social context that determines transition age and narrative, but it may play a role. For me it was part-part. My mom but also my dad were allowing for nongendered behaviour in terms of interests, so that was indeed less of a topic for me. But it still was there due to the pressures in school. My main focus was however on my deep desire for the right body. Funny thing is that I was 23 when I transitioned but that was in the late 1990ies - I know some people who now transition in their 40ies, so basically are my age, but for them the situation 15 years ago was different somehow - who knows what it was - maybe more opressive parents? But certainly the late 1990ies were already allowing some queerness and growing up in the 1980ies certainly allowed some liberation of classic gender stereotypes. So I guess situations strongly depend on individual situations but certainly there is more information available sooner in life, there are more liberal positions. But there still are a lot who do the 110% male thing before transitioning even now and there are still a lot of people who mainly have issues with gender roles and others who have mainly issues with the body and these perspectives are resulting in different ways to deal with all of this. I think it just is a fact that transsexuality is not at all homogenous - it is a pool for various people who all DO similar things - transitioning, hormones, name change,... - but for different major reasons.

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