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Started by galaxy, December 13, 2014, 08:23:31 PM

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KittyKat

Galaxy I have seen your picture before and you do look very feminine I think you're imposing a lot of self doubt on yourself and causing unnecessary misery. You may have more yeses to those questions then you're letting yourself admit and need to let go of one or two aspects of transition that genetics and hormones did not provide for you, maybe even switching doctors can help obtain your transition goal. You have already made a successful transition to a woman.
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galaxy

1.) This was not the question and 2.) Did you ever see me before transition? I mean, who tells you what really happend to my body? I think you dont know it but you want judge over me without knowing any details. Thats not nice!

... and 3.) I asked for a short answer and not for discussion. Thanks for disregarding this  :embarrassed:

Offtopic again: 1,71m @ 62kg (124 lbs)
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KayXo

Quote from: Nevara on December 14, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
My doctor says that hormones are mostly mental effects anyway for most people that take them post-puberty. So there's that - those of you that got big changes consider yourself lucky. The rest of us can keep taking this placebo that is supposed to make us feel better about being stuck in the wrong body.

I have to totally disagree with your doctor. He may be prescribing very low, ineffective doses and that's why this is his experience. In my personal experience, the physical changes have been quite significant and from all I've come across over the years with other transwomen, I'm certainly not the only one. With the right regimen, much feminization can occur.

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Carrie Liz

Galaxy, I want to share something with you... one of my closest MtF friends, Arianna, could pretty much post EXACTLY the same list that you did earlier in this topic. She got no breast growth, no reduction in body or facial hair, no nipple development, no fat redistribution, only very slight softening of skin, she can't grow her hair longer than her shoulders either, she was more or less exactly the same age as you when she started transition, and she too doesn't see anything but her old self when she looks in the mirror.

The thing is, though, despite this, she passes. Even despite having a very deep voice, even despite having pretty much no body shape at all, she still ended up passing more or less 100% after several years on hormones, even though she could never see them changing a darned thing about her. (And it took her until about a year after her SRS before this happened, because her face also got a bit more angular on HRT between the 1.5-2.5 year mark, and she was still regularly being misgendered at the time.)

She doesn't look much different today. It's all little tiny things that have changed... her face and skin are a slight bit smoother, her mannerisms are now much calmer, her voice is softer (though not higher.) So even though she pretty much looks EXACTLY the same as she did pre-hormones, Those little subtle changes that only happened with lots and lots of time and lots and lots of RLE made all the difference. I can't see her as anything but a beautiful normal woman. All I'm trying to say is, I was shocked when I met Ari because I was like "what? YOU'RE trans?" I couldn't see any masculinity in her whatsoever when I met her, (she was 6 years into HRT by that point,) and yet she still didn't feel good about herself, and still even today can't seem to think about anything but the fact that she doesn't have breasts, doesn't have hips, still has to fight with body and facial hair, doesn't look any different to herself than she did before hormones, and is so much bigger and "less pretty" than cis girls, even though despite all of those things she's now passing with ease. (And quite pretty, I might add.)

Other people don't judge us as harshly as we judge ourselves. When I met her, I didn't see an inadequate girl with no breasts, no shape, or a deep voice, I just saw Ari. Because while we know every single one of our own flaws, every single thing that makes us somehow inadequate or "lesser," they mean nothing to other people... other people take you at face value for who you are.

And one of your posts that I have indeed seen is the one where you said "Other people see me as a ordinary woman..."

So I suspect that your problem is the same as Ari's, and to be honest, the same as mine... (trust me, I have the same issues with wanting to be pretty, wanting to be able to wear bikinis and swim and live a "normal" feminine life,)... constantly focusing on all of the things that somehow invalidate your femininity because you don't have them, and losing sight of the fact that in spite of all of those "inadequacies," you are a woman. That even though you can't accept yourself, others do.

Ari is beautiful despite her own perceived "lacks," and you're beautiful too. :)
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kelly_aus

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (NO)
    redistribution of body fat. (A LIITLE)
    thinning of skin. (A LITTLE)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (NO)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (NO)
    stretch marks (for some) (NO)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (NO)
    redistribution of body fat, (NO)
    reduced muscle development, (YES)
    various skin changes, (YES)
    significantly reduced body hair, (YES)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (YES)
    less prominence of veins, (YES)
    ocular changes, (NO)
    gonadal size  (YES)

I've tried a variety of doses and delivery methods and little has changed.. At this point, I've had to accept that I've gotten all the changes I'm going to get. Lucky for me, all the things I didn't seem to get don't seem to be as important as I thought they were..
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galaxy

Quote from: Carrie Liz on December 16, 2014, 01:42:29 PM
Galaxy, I want to share something with you... one of my closest MtF friends, Arianna, could pretty much post EXACTLY the same list that you did earlier in this topic. She got no breast growth, no reduction in body or facial hair, no nipple development, no fat redistribution, only very slight softening of skin, she can't grow her hair longer than her shoulders either, she was more or less exactly the same age as you when she started transition, and she too doesn't see anything but her old self when she looks in the mirror.

The thing is, though, despite this, she passes. Even despite having a very deep voice, even despite having pretty much no body shape at all, she still ended up passing more or less 100% after several years on hormones, even though she could never see them changing a darned thing about her. (And it took her until about a year after her SRS before this happened, because her face also got a bit more angular on HRT between the 1.5-2.5 year mark, and she was still regularly being misgendered at the time.)

She doesn't look much different today. It's all little tiny things that have changed... her face and skin are a slight bit smoother, her mannerisms are now much calmer, her voice is softer (though not higher.) So even though she pretty much looks EXACTLY the same as she did pre-hormones, Those little subtle changes that only happened with lots and lots of time and lots and lots of RLE made all the difference. I can't see her as anything but a beautiful normal woman. All I'm trying to say is, I was shocked when I met Ari because I was like "what? YOU'RE trans?" I couldn't see any masculinity in her whatsoever when I met her, (she was 6 years into HRT by that point,) and yet she still didn't feel good about herself, and still even today can't seem to think about anything but the fact that she doesn't have breasts, doesn't have hips, still has to fight with body and facial hair, doesn't look any different to herself than she did before hormones, and is so much bigger and "less pretty" than cis girls, even though despite all of those things she's now passing with ease. (And quite pretty, I might add.)

Other people don't judge us as harshly as we judge ourselves. When I met her, I didn't see an inadequate girl with no breasts, no shape, or a deep voice, I just saw Ari. Because while we know every single one of our own flaws, every single thing that makes us somehow inadequate or "lesser," they mean nothing to other people... other people take you at face value for who you are.

And one of your posts that I have indeed seen is the one where you said "Other people see me as a ordinary woman..."

So I suspect that your problem is the same as Ari's, and to be honest, the same as mine... (trust me, I have the same issues with wanting to be pretty, wanting to be able to wear bikinis and swim and live a "normal" feminine life,)... constantly focusing on all of the things that somehow invalidate your femininity because you don't have them, and losing sight of the fact that in spite of all of those "inadequacies," you are a woman. That even though you can't accept yourself, others do.

Ari is beautiful despite her own perceived "lacks," and you're beautiful too. :)

Thanks so much, even i read this under tears  :icon_sadblinky:
I dont know if i ever can accept this fate. Is it worthy to live?
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peky

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (yes) 2 1/2 areola, nipple flat
    redistribution of body fat. (yes)
    thinning of skin. (yes)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (yes) 38C
    enlarged nipples and areola, (yes) 2 1/2 areola, nipple flat
    stretch marks (for some) (none)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (YES)  good riddance
    redistribution of body fat, (yes) female belly, hips and butt.. yeah!
    reduced muscle development, (yes)
    various skin changes, (yes) Lighter skin, smooth, radiant
    significantly reduced body hair, (yes) no hair... yippee
    change in body odor and sweat production, (yes) no smell.. just sweetness
    less prominence of veins, (YES)
    ocular changes, (NO)
    gonadal size  (yes) now more like peanuts... LOL

5 ft 11 in   185 lb in my 50's... loving my second adolescence
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Pinkkatie

After about ten months on HRT

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (YES)
    redistribution of body fat. (YES - a bit on the hips)
    thinning of skin. (YES - just yesterday I bumped my knee on a desk and badly injured myself. I was shocked! I didn't think I hit it that hard)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (YES)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (YES/NO - my nipples have enlarged, but I don't think my areolae has)
    stretch marks (for some) (NO)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (YES)
    redistribution of body fat, (YES)
    reduced muscle development, (NO - never had much to begin with)
    various skin changes, (NO)
    significantly reduced body hair, (YES - reduced and thinned, but not gone)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (YES)
    less prominence of veins, (NO - never noticed it before taking HRT)
    ocular changes, (NO)
    gonadal size  (YES)


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Jo-is-amazing

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (Yes definitely, hopefully they'll grow more!!!!! XD )
    redistribution of body fat. (a bit)
    thinning of skin. (I bruise more easily? Does that count?)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (yes)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (yes)
    stretch marks (for some) (yes, but I'm unsure as to whether I had them to begin with?)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (more 'changed' then decreased )
    redistribution of body fat, (a bit)
    reduced muscle development, (yes)
    various skin changes, (somewhat )
    significantly reduced body hair, (not really)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (sort of)
    less prominence of veins, (I guess?)
    ocular changes, (changed colour slightly )
    gonadal size  (definitely )

I'm 18 so I guess I'm somewhat lucky with my results
I am the self proclaimed Queen of procrastination
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Lady_Oracle

2 years and 9 months hrt, 5'10 140lbs

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (YES)
    redistribution of body fat. (YES)
    thinning of skin. (YES)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (YES)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (YES)
    stretch marks (for some) (YES)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (YES)
    redistribution of body fat, (YES)
    reduced muscle development, (YES)
    various skin changes, (YES)
    significantly reduced body hair, (YES)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (YES)
    less prominence of veins, (YES)
    ocular changes, (YES)
    gonadal size  (YES)
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Sydney_NYC

I'm just little over a year on HRT at age 43. Here is my changelist:


For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes (was on oral E the first 7 months then switched to injectable:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (Yes, B cup, nipples not a hug change)
    redistribution of body fat. (Yes)
    thinning of skin. (Yes)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (Yes, B Cup)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (Some)
    stretch marks (for some) (No, I used to weight 100 lbs more 8 years prior to HRT, so I already had some)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (YES, but orgasms last longer and are more fun)
    redistribution of body fat, (YES)
    reduced muscle development, (YES, just pickle jars are harder to open)
    various skin changes, (YES)
    significantly reduced body hair, (YES, about 90% gone)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (Yes, happened at the 3 month mark on HRT)
    less prominence of veins, (YES)
    ocular changes, (Yes, was far sided, now I'm not)
    gonadal size  (Yes, they are so small now you have to search for them, they were small to begin with due to Kleinfelter's. I can easily pass in a once piece swimsuit with just light tucking)
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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ChibiChabot

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples (Yes definitely)
    redistribution of body fat. (Yup clothes fit better)
    thinning of skin. (Haven't noticed yet)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (yes)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (yes)
    stretch marks (yes, already had 'em though)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (Mine is gone)
    redistribution of body fat, (a bit)
    reduced muscle development, (No)
    various skin changes, (Less Oily, Dry skin!)
    significantly reduced body hair, (none noticed)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (Yup, Smell Female)
    less prominence of veins, (Nope)
    ocular changes, (not noticed)
    gonadal size  (smaller, was small to begin with)

I'm 29, 1 Year plus on Loupron, 1.5 months on Estrodial. I'm pleased so far...
Autistic, Trans, and Asexual. Whats not to love?
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Nevara

Quote from: KayXo on December 16, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
I have to totally disagree with your doctor. He may be prescribing very low, ineffective doses and that's why this is his experience. In my personal experience, the physical changes have been quite significant and from all I've come across over the years with other transwomen, I'm certainly not the only one. With the right regimen, much feminization can occur.

I don't think they'll let me post my dosages, but my hormone levels are in female range now. Will it help increasing my dosage when I'm at proper levels already?

Maybe I'm just one of the unlucky ones that don't get many changes. I mean what does it even matter to me... I've already been told pretty solidly that I'm gonna need made jaw and forehead work to pass.
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KayXo

Maybe go see other doctors for a second and a third opinion. I needed very high levels, comparable to those during pregnancy but that's just me.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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LShipley

 After 1 year (1 year mark January 5th)

the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples - yes
redistribution of body fat. Yes
    thinning of skin. - maybe, my legs and ass feel wayyy softer and silkier but those are the main areas I moisturize

Irreversible changes

    breast development, YES - 36B
    enlarged nipples and areolae, YES - left still needs to catch up some
    stretch marks (for some) NO I had some already so fought hard to prevent more

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (YES) - mind is horny body is not until I get started
    redistribution of body fat, - YES I have a slight hourglass from hip to chest now
    reduced muscle development, YES - for me the scariest part of transition.
    various skin changes, YES only ass boobs and legs. Maybe face
    significantly reduced body hair, YES chest and legs wayyy slower growth
    change in body odor and sweat production, YES my BO changed a lot it's almost not noticeable at all
    less prominence of veins, uhh no idea. Not in my arms but I'm young and never had a vein issue
    ocular changes, ehhh hard to tell
    gonadal size  YES still way too big but they ache after use now I imagine from shrinking
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Wynternight

I'm 44 and a week shy of four months on HRT. The changelist comes from the susans-info page.


For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (Yes)
    redistribution of body fat. (Some)
    thinning of skin. (Not that I can tell)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (Yes)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (slightly enlarged nipples)
    stretch marks (for some) (had those from massive weight loss)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (gone)
    redistribution of body fat, (a little bit)
    reduced muscle development, (a lot!!)
    various skin changes, (softer)
    significantly reduced body hair, (slower growing)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (yes)
    less prominence of veins, (no and I hope it bloody well happens)
    ocular changes, (Oh yes. Dry eyes and a large change in my RX from 18 months ago)
    gonadal size  (the bollocks are all but gone)
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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Peebles

20 years old -- 6 month in HRT

For trans women, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

    the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and (Yes)
    redistribution of body fat. (To a degree)
    thinning of skin. (Haven't noticed any change here, the skin is softer now)

Irreversible changes

    breast development, (Yes)
    enlarged nipples and areolae, (Yes)
    stretch marks (for some) (I already had stretch marks, so idk)

Reversible changes

    decreased libido, (No)
    redistribution of body fat, (To a degree)
    reduced muscle development, (A bit)
    various skin changes, (Yes, softer)
    significantly reduced body hair, (It thinning and lightening, not significantly though)
    change in body odor and sweat production, (Yes)
    less prominence of veins, (No)
    ocular changes, (idk)
    gonadal size  (Yes)
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