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I (&%$$ing Hate Blue Shield--Advice Needed

Started by Arch, December 24, 2014, 05:27:23 AM

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JLT1

Arch,

If a person clears $50/hour, an $800 medical bill takes 20 hours of work to pay.  It's worth more than a few minutes making three or four phone calls. When I call my insurance company, I either use a headset or my blue tooth and I make sure I have time.  Generally, I do it while at work when I'm reviewing something.  It is reasonable that making phone calls while grading papers would work as well.  It is a hassle....

When an insurance company denies a claim, I call and explain my position: it is covered because .....  Then, I ask two questions: "Why did you deny it?" and "What do I have to do to have it approved?"  Most of the time, it is because of a code error – the doctor's office used the wrong code or the insurance company missed something in the description.  Then, I ask "What is the correct code?"  They never tell me.  So, I ask "Who, specifically, should the doctor's office ask for when they call?"  They never tell me that either but I use that to get to a supervisor.  I start the same thing with the supervisor.  It ends with "What do I do to have it approved?"  I generally get the correct answer at that point, something like "They used the wrong code or the wrong explanation."

Then, I start on the doctor's office.   I get to know someone in the billing department.  I talk to them.  They get mad and put me on hold.  I sit.  They finally hang up on me.  I call back.  It can be bad the first time but never more than an hour on hold.  I tell them what I learned from the insurance company.  If the person at the doctor's office get testy, I conference in the supervisor from the insurance company and moderate between the person at the doctor's office and the supervisor.  It generally ends with an agreement.

Now, a warning about Doctor's offices. 

SCAM #1.  Some offices will send a claim to the insurance company and send you a bill stating they have sent the claim and you owe the full amount.  Note, they didn't lie, they sent the claim but they haven't heard anything aback and if the insurance company denies the claim, you do owe the amount.  When you see this, call the insurance company and find out the status of the claim from them.  Then, call the doctor's office and tell them the status.  NEVER, EVER pay that first bill.  The doctor's office is trying to collect from both you and the insurance company.....

SCAM #2.  Insurance companies negotiate with doctors for reduced rates.  You should get a statement from the insurance company listing the price, the allowed amount, what insurance paid and what you owe.  All of that should agree with the doctor's office bill.  I have seen on several occasions a bill from a  doctor's office deducting what insurance paid from the full amount and not from the reduced amount. ALWAYS check...

A warning about Insurance Companies.

Some will simply reject a claim for no apparent reason.  They are betting you will just pay.  You must fight to get them paid.

Insurance companies  don't care about getting sued.  They do care about complaints to the state or other government regulators.  Most states have a procedure for contesting a bill or a denied claim.  Know what that procedure is and go.  Then, know a good lawyer who is a LGBT supporter or ally – they give great advice.   

In the end, you can fight and win.  It takes time.  However, it's less time than you spend with a  lawyer and it resolves far sooner.

Good luck. 

Hugs,

Jen
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Stephe

I've found I'm better off with an ultra high deductible policy (obamacare bronze policy) and negotiating to cost with the provider as self pay. They don't want to deal with the insurance company either and most of the time, they will reduce the cost to 30% of what they would charge if you had insurance if you pay at time of service and they don't have to screw with "coding" and co pays etc.. And I'm still covered if somethings really horrible happens. Plus it's way less stressful to not have to deal with them and if I look at what I've had to pay out of pocket over the last 30 years vs paying for a "full coverage insurance", I'm way ahead money wise as well.
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Arch

I was planning to investigate a couple of other insurance options over Thanksgiving during open enrollment, but the open enrollment period ended BEFORE Thanksgiving this year. I would have had a hard time cramming in even a few hours of research, so I needed that long weekend. My therapist feels that, overall, a PPO is a better option for me, so I was going to investigate another PPO option, but I was going to look into a couple of HMOs as well.

Guess I'll have to wait until next year.
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JoanneB

I'll add SCAM #3 to Jen's list - The health care provider will wait FOREVER before submitting a claim to the insurance company. You forgot totally about it, no Bill  :D It gets knocked down or paid very little. Then they try again within a month or two at the most. Perhaps still gets knocked down, other times they get the coding right. BUT when they don't many many months later you suddenly get a bill out of nowhere, usually for some pretty big $$$$, with a date of service perhaps a year old, names of providers or groups you never heard of and its "WTF  ???" time.

Unless you keep somewhat detailed notes of your own on dates, who saw you, what was done (I've seen 3 different claims, 3 different providers, in one day from the same doctors office!) you don't have a clue beyond logging into insurance website and searching for an EOB with that date of service on a claim submitted anywhere between that date and last week!
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Stephe

Quote from: Arch on December 27, 2014, 11:50:53 PM
My therapist feels that, overall, a PPO is a better option for me, so I was going to investigate another PPO option, but I was going to look into a couple of HMOs as well.

I just got the cheapest PPO (or was it called POS? it wasn't an HMO) option available to me (me work is part time with zero health care help). It has a $7500 deductible but after obamacare pays their portion, it's very reasonable for "catastrophic care" even though it isn't called that anymore. I don't plan to ever use it unless I have a very serious medical problem. I've fought with the insurance companies in the past when I did have "full coverage" and found, unless you are willing to spend hours on the phone for every bill, they won't pay out anything. That is the health care system in the US right now...
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Missadventure

Quote from: emilybomb on December 26, 2014, 04:31:55 AM
I have anthem and they have dicked me over totally, too. I can't get any care now. They wouldn't even pay for my routine physical.  Ironically, the only thing they really do pay for is my psycho therapy, which I am needing a LOTTTTTT more of as my health languishes.

I had an endo appointment way back in March. In October they suddenly decided it wasn't covered and  the one visit ended up costing me over $700.

Anthem BCBS SUCKSSSSSS!:(

Sorry for typos and weird random words,  I have no internet or a computer, just a phone :(

This worries me... I too have Anthem BCBS. I went with the best plan my employer offers, but it's not trans inclusive, so I expected to have to pay every time I've gone to the doctor or had my Rx refilled. So far I haven't actually had to pay a dime for anything but my estradiol valerate. (for whatever reason THAT is the only hormone my freaking prescription drug coverage doesn't cover in full)...

Now you have me worried that in a few months I'm going to get some giant bill that I won't be able to afford. Ugh. The irritating part is that I work for a university, and the student health insurance covers trans HRT. The employee health insurance doesn't. Kind of makes me want to call bull on the universities trans inclusiveness policy...

Jerri

I have bcbs also, just a couple states north of you. I was denied coverage for everything, therapy, medical visits, scripts ect. I contacted our hr department with some assistance from them I was assigned a case manager with bs and have all my medical bills routed through, the problem was that there is no active codes for transexual treatment yet. So far I have recieved coverage for therapy, meds, ffs and breast augmentation, and am filling for srs for 2015 with standard deductables as those services are not available locally for me. it took me several months to find a case worker there that was willing to help but they are out there if you spend the time to phone them up until you find the person in your coverage package.

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