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Started by Jak, December 03, 2014, 03:16:33 PM

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Jak

I really don't know where to begin. And, I don't know that there's any "real" advice to be had. Just thought that writing things out might be therapeutic.

So, shorthand - I have always presented as more masculine, but have almost always been read as female. I have simply never like women's clothing, haven't worn make-up, have had short hair for decades, etc. And, as a lesbian, I was pretty much fine with that. I've been familiar with the possibility of transitions, and have known several FTM for a few years now, MTFs for much longer. It's not like I was clueless to those options. But, I never felt compelled to transition. Yet, neither did I conceptualize what I already had, a non-binary identity. Now, realizing that there are options, I feel compelled to 'push' it. I definitely identify as transmasculine non-binary. Yeah, people debate the terms. You get the picture.

I don't really have many changes to make in terms of hair, clothing, etc. At my age (let's jus say I'm closer to retirement than to starting my career!), I don't really care about pronouns or even my name, though I've started using a more gender neutral version. Having worked at the same place for twenty years that would be too big a hurdle. No, what I really care about is more personal. I have, for years, wished my breasts would go away. I've always wanted a more male - or at least androgynous - physique. And, the sexual, well, TMI. :-X  So, I'm really not struggling with what I want. The question is (drum roll, please) how to address this with my partner of almost twenty years. On the one hand, we've both talked about what a pain in the neck (not literally, I'm not that big) breasts can be. But, she will not want to see mine go away. I am fortunate in that I could schedule surgery and pay for it out of pocket if need be. The only thing holding me back is broaching the conversation with a partner who is fairly conservative, not politically, but socially, for lack of a better word.

I had my first therapy appointment yesterday. He was fine. I told him the above and he seemed most pleased that I am thoroughly content with my identity. It, in and of itself, is not 'an issue.' I talked a lot about relationship and health stuff. And, we scheduled three more appointments. It kind of freaks me out to even write what I've written. I'm pretty sure that she doesn't know this site exists, but if she did stumble upon this post I think I'd have outed myself. And, no, I don't secretly want that to happen, but I finally decided I had to put it out there and see what others might have to offer.

So, I guess the nugget in all of this is - forget parents, who out there has dealt with 'coming out' to a long-term partner who will likely not want to terminate the relationship at all, but will have some real misgivings about the whole thing?

Thanks for your thoughts. Be well.
Top surgery: 14 December 2015
T-pellets: 23 December 2016
Androgel: 30 January 2018
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JulieBlair

So, do I understand correctly - you would like to have top surgery to present and be recognized as androgenous or maile, but are not particularly interested in HRT to fully transition?  Your partner is okay with butch, but has qualms about surgical morphological changes?

If I'm reading this correctly, it sounds like you have some uncomfortable, but necessary conversations coming up.  What an interesting conundrum.  I haven't any idea of a solution except to be honest and listen carefully to how she reacts.  lol, I just deleted a couple of paragraphs because I realized that I have very little idea what I am talking about.  My partner is a gender fluid FTM and isn't interested in top surgery, although I would like it better if he was interested in that route.  I've gotten used to the idea that I am on the cusp of becoming anatomically female, and they will remain a potpourri of gender identity.  The variety of human experience is never ending.

Good luck and good conversation.
Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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Jak

>> So, do I understand correctly - you would like to have top surgery to present and be recognized as androgenous or maile, but are not particularly interested in HRT to fully transition?  Your partner is okay with butch, but has qualms about surgical morphological changes?

Read as more androgynous, yes, absolutely. I don't care if I'm read as male, though I am often "sirred" already. 8) I am unlikely to fully transition. If I were 30 years younger, maybe. But, at this age and stage, I'm really comfortable in the middle. But, I really would like to not have the ol' breasts flopping around.

What's funny is that I've never really been viewed as "butch," I think because I'm already so much more "in the middle" than a "butch lesbian," if that makes any sense. I mean, seriously, I wear exclusively men's or gender neutral clothing, no make-up, have really short hair. Think chubby Annie Lennox rather than Lea DeLaria!  :laugh:

>> If I'm reading this correctly, it sounds like you have some uncomfortable, but necessary conversations coming up.  What an interesting conundrum.  I haven't any idea of a solution except to be honest and listen carefully to how she reacts.  lol, I just deleted a couple of paragraphs because I realized that I have very little idea what I am talking about. My partner is a gender fluid FTM and isn't interested in top surgery, although I would like it better if he was interested in that route.  I've gotten used to the idea that I am on the cusp of becoming anatomically female, and they will remain a potpourri of gender identity.  The variety of human experience is never ending. Good luck and good conversation.

Thanks, Julie. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.

What's funny is that she can deadlift - I've lost track - 200 pounds? I know she naturally has more testosterone than the average peri-menopausal woman. You wouldn't believe her arms. But, she's not androgynous or butch at all. Ah, the irony...

Thanks, again!
Top surgery: 14 December 2015
T-pellets: 23 December 2016
Androgel: 30 January 2018
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JulieBlair

Quote from: Jak on December 03, 2014, 05:29:40 PM
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What's funny is that she can deadlift - I've lost track - 200 pounds? I know she naturally has more testosterone than the average peri-menopausal woman. You wouldn't believe her arms. But, she's not androgynous or butch at all. Ah, the irony...

Thanks, again!

Nobody said this is fair.  My challenge is to acknowledge and accept what I must, and to change that which is necessary to keep me sane and healthy.  A fine line at times.

Peace,
Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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Dread_Faery

Well my partner came out as being a transmasculine genderqueer boi earlier this year, and told me they want to have their breasts removed and also that they want to start T, so I'm kind of in the opposite place to you right now. She was terrified about telling me, and truthfully I don't know how I will cope with the changes, but I love them enough to help them.

I can't tell you what to do, only you can do that. You're having therapy which is always a huge step, definitely talk to your therapist about your worries. Your partner could very well surprise you.
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Jak

Julie - Re: "Nobody said this is fair." Nope, nobody did. To be clear, I find it more humorous than "unfair." And, more irony? I have the perfect, never ever have to be plucked eyebrows that she'd love to have!  :laugh:

Dread_Faery - Yes, opposite indeed. Yes, I'm actually not so worried about the ultimate outcome as the process of getting there, those first words/steps. Only time will tell.

Thanks for your thoughts. Now, let me go open my package from Underworks!

Be well.
Top surgery: 14 December 2015
T-pellets: 23 December 2016
Androgel: 30 January 2018
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genderirrelevant

Hi!

You should check out the blog - A Boy and Her Dog
http://aboyandherdog.com

They just had top surgery a few days ago but their partner really wasn't on board at first. Maybe they can provide you with some advice.

Good luck!
My non-binary transition blog:
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/genderirrelevant
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Jak

Thanks for the blog link. I had come across that before and forgotten about it.

The good news is, I talked with my partner last week and she was terrific. Onward and upward. Consults scheduled for January!
Top surgery: 14 December 2015
T-pellets: 23 December 2016
Androgel: 30 January 2018
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JulieBlair

Quote from: Jak on December 20, 2014, 09:23:30 PM
Thanks for the blog link. I had come across that before and forgotten about it.

The good news is, I talked with my partner last week and she was terrific. Onward and upward. Consults scheduled for January!

Congratulations!  Twill make for merrie holidays. :)
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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