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I'm through with my parents...

Started by kaye, December 22, 2014, 07:11:07 AM

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kaye

...and they're through with me.

It's long, sorry for length (trigger warning).

I don't think I'm unreasonable for expecting the people around me to be respectful of my identity; and with that comes respecting that I have a new name and now go by female pronouns. That is just basic manners; it's not a favour, it isn't special treatment, it's just consideration and respect.

I think it is very important for us that others reinforce that we are women. The alternative is to effectively have our identity undermined constantly, and that's not healthy. There is a good reason it hurts for us to be misgendered, it completely dismisses who we are and can be very damaging psychologically.

So when my father refers to me by my old name in the middle of a packed KFC do I not have a right to be upset? I admit I was angry and withdrawn at that, because that really hurts. I kept my mouth shut though. I don't want arguments, just understanding.

So all I really wanted was some kind of acknowledgement, aka a 'sorry for referring to you with a male name in a packed restaurant, just used to using your old name' or something like that. A mistake is a mistake (it wasn't intentional) but it was in public and I do expect some kind of acknowledgement that a mistake was made. I don't see why that is so unreasonable.

I got nothing though and after he does it again later, and I do say something along the lines of a frustrated 'there you go again' I get a 'and I'll keep doing it too mate' thrown at me. That was intentional; in Australia the word 'mate' is most often used to refer to males, his context was unmistakeable.

So that made me more upset and when I am upset I tend to withdraw socially. I later go and tell my mother what upset me, namely the KFC thing, and after all manner of 'so what', and 'big deal' she then launched into me with the most vicious trans hate tirade you will ever hear. Absolute  compete verbal abuse with genitalia references, you're not a women and never will be, your old name is your real name (although I changed it a year ago) etc.

I've never heard anything like it. I always feared getting verbally ripped apart in the street like that by someone; viciously demeaned and belittled, but it's never happened. It came from my own mother instead.

I tried to explain things to my father. Much calmer, sat there calmly opposed to my evil ungratefullness with his angry eyes of anger while my mother continued to constantly  interrupt and rip me apart some more. Imagine the very things you don't want to hear and precisely how you don't want to be treated as a transwoman and that is basically what I got.

Eventually I walked away. Retreated to my room. I was very upset. When you have depression, when you have suicidal thoughts often enough (which they know all about already); it's absolutely what you don't need. I have my flight back home on Saturday and I'm perfectly happy to say that I'll never see or speak to either of them again after that. I can't.

One if the things driving all this (besides the transphobic ignorance) is the financial support they've given me, and it's been quite considerate. I've been unemployed for a while and they've supported me with bills, car registration, surgery and more. So my opposition in this instance is perceived as a total lack of gratitude. How dare I question them? That's ungrateful.

Of course I was grateful for all that, goodness knows I thanked them enough. Goodness knows I felt guilty enough about it. I've always made myself available to help them with anything they've needed. Short of building a shrine in their honour I couldn't really do much else.

Here is what I think, they're manipulative. This is a long term pattern that has finally hit critical mass. On the one hand they'll give me money and on the other hand they'll tear me down emotionally and psychologically if I dare question anything they do, even if it has a harmful impact on me mentally. Doesn't matter. Expect them to respect my legal name and female pronouns and they don't want to and I push the issue? I'm ungrateful.

Their financial support just leads to emotional blackmail down the line and I've put a stop to it. My mother had bought me a tablet as a gift when I came up here. I gave it back and told her to get a refund; I never asked for it. No money for car registration either, I told her I didn't want it. I'd rather walk.

My identity is fundamental to who I am. If I'm going to transition to female and sit back and do nothing as those who are supposed to be a pillar of support intentionally gender me male then I might as well not have bothered. If that makes me ungrateful then I guess I'll have to accept that.
Transition Phase 4 (of 5).
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rosinstraya

Hi Kaye,

That is just appalling. I'm so sorry you went through all that. It's doubly worse coming from your parents. Surely they know and, in some way, understand that you didn't just wake up one morning and go "hey, think I'll give this trans thing a whirl"?

Yes, parents and family often give support and care - but it shouldn't come with conditions (written or unwritten) that you can't be expected to meet. That means they do not get to choose what to call you, how to gender you or verbally abuse you. Sure, they may not find it easy, but trash talking their own daughter is not the way to go!

Do you normally live with them, or do you have other options elsewhere?

I hope you can work a way through this. And I hope your parents can get their act together.

Take care, hugs from here!
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kaye

Thanks ros :)

My mother also rammed the old 'you chose this' chestnut down my throat, implying that it is my all fault that being misgendered and mistreated upsets me.

Anyway I don't live with them anymore thankfully. I'm visiting for Christmas. Some Christmas. I live in another state and rent a nice cabin from the sort of lady I always wished my mother was. It's why this has hit me a bit hard, I've been largely insulated from this sort of thing. I'm not used to it.
Transition Phase 4 (of 5).
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Clhoe G

 wow that's tough I really don't know what to say about their actions, I mean I know what I want to say but I want to say something supportive, like I think your very wise n strong to leave em in your past.
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stephaniec

probably your only solution is financial independence
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ImagineKate

I agree that depending on your parents is going to give them a chain attached to your neck which they can fully yank as they please. The best thing is to be independent from them and you can live your life on your own terms.

With my dad, he didn't financially support me after secondary school. In fact he stopped talking to me because of all the acting out and suicide attempts. He told me he wasn't paying for university. Awesome. He even took all the food out of the kitchen and kept it in his bedroom. I got the hint so I got a job and then emigrated shortly thereafter. Put myself through school and gained a whole new level of independence.

After 9/11/01 he came back in touch with me because he thought I died in the twin towers. I did not, but I spent a lot of time down at ground zero as a first responder. Then we started back talking and he came up to visit.

But now I really am independent of him, and he can't tell me anything because I live on my own terms. And I would have it no other way. If he does hurtful things I can cut relations with little impact on my life. I don't need hurt in my life anyway.
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LShipley

That sounds really tough but it sounds like you are handling it very well so far.

If I were to give advice it would be to try not to apply motives or your own beliefs towards their actions and instead try to see through their eyes even if they can't do the same. I would seek understanding for the mixed signals myself. Why support you financially in your transition while at the same time publicly humiliate you?

If it was me I would do two things.. Id write a letter once home explaining how I feel while explaining the gratitude for the financial support thus far. However id also explain that treating you as you deserve should go hand in hand with that support but if it doesn't then thank you very much for the support so far but for my own mental health I must stay away from you even if that means losing financial support. This is where it would be critically important to be completely independent without depending on any type of finances

It sounds difficult though and I wish you the best. If you ever need someone to chat with..!
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DanielleA

Personally, I would get them together, have everyone sit down and talk them through the issue. I would show appreciation for their support, tell them how they are hurting me then suggest that the issue needs to be fixed. I would say that I love them  and I think that it would be great if we could work ths issue out. Make sure that they get a chance to voice their issues with the problem. Like bartering, you could then say what you can do to help and then put it on them. They should come up with their own ideas as it will be harder to go back on their word. In the end thank them for the lovely chat.

This conversation format has got me through so many issues. Just remember that they  are having issues with the problem too. If you mention packing your bags and leaving then they could easily say " fine, go then!"

I truely hope that this issue is resolved. Goodluck :P
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AttackDonut

We cannot choose our parents, but we can choose how to deal with them. I am not in your shoes, so do not take my advice seriously, but I would cut off all forms of communication with them, and leave it at that. If they come back, state to them, flatly, it will be on your terms. If they cross a line, cut them off again.
This is a harsh and cruel thing to do, but it is your life and it's important they respect your decisions. Surround yourself with positive friends and those who support you in your change, and minimize or remove the negatives.
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kaye

Quote from: DanielleA on December 22, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
Personally, I would get them together, have everyone sit down and talk them through the issue. I would show appreciation for their support, tell them how they are hurting me then suggest that the issue needs to be fixed.

Doesn't work. You assume rationality and reason where there isn't any. You can't talk with people who have no interest in seeing things from your perspective.

I've tried to explain all of this I don't know how many times. In person and over-the-phone. My father understands in principle and has made an effort at least, my mother could not give a stuff, appears actively opposed to making any effort at all and seems constantly determined to undermine any effort to acknowledge my correct identity.

So if I dispute my mother on this and she's against me, my father will be automatically against me because my mother is against me. Doesn't matter what it is. That's how it has always worked. The mother is the gatekeeper, the father is the puppet. If she is impossible to reason with then they both are.

Anyway after the nasty verbal attack I had to put up with the other day, I'm done. I'm not going to initiate anything after that.
Transition Phase 4 (of 5).
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rosinstraya

Hi Kaye,

I know logic and family life don't necessarily go together. That stuff is for the Brady Bunch and Tony Abbott (allegedly).

But I can't fathom how it is that your parents/family have paid for for fairly substantial surgery for you overseas in recent times and yet are now so completely mentally cruel and abusive? I guess it can only be pretty confusing from your end as well.

Again, I wish you well and, as others have said already, maybe financial independence is the best goal right now.
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kaye

Quote from: rosinstraya on December 22, 2014, 07:57:09 PM
But I can't fathom how it is that your parents/family have paid for for fairly substantial surgery for you overseas in recent times and yet are now so completely mentally cruel and abusive? I guess it can only be pretty confusing from your end as well.

I know, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Transition Phase 4 (of 5).
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Cute Ida

Hi Kaye,

   I feel for you so much dear. I am going through the same thing with my parents. I had to move out three years ago to start my transition because if I lived under their roof I had to present as male. I knew I couldn't do that any longer. Just recently on my niece's/dad's birthday on Dec. 12th I had a very disrespectful talk with my mother. She had told me that she only gave birth to a boy and not a girl, that I'm just pretending to be a girl. She also said that because I never displayed obvious signs that I was trans while growing up that I never was and never will be trans.


Starting about a year ago I was allowed to come over for holidays and birthdays dressed as a girl provided that I didn't wear a dress or skirt. I could live with that. However they never called me Ida. To this day they won't. Just because I was running late and signed both my dad's and niece's cards with Ida and not once in three years corrected them to use my preferred name and pronouns my mother says that it's forcing the name on them. That's total BS. My mom told me that they will never, ever call me Ida. Only the old name.


My sister supports me all the way. Thank god for that. My sister calls me Ida and I'm sure that my sister will raise her daughter well and will have my niece call me Ida. However since I'm the only one not living in my parents house on a regular basis they will still call me the old name in front of my niece. That's just going to confuse my niece. She's going to know me as aunt Ida all her life. Why confuse her? She's only a year old but how long is it before she knows the difference between a boy and a girl. She sometimes likes to look at my long hair whenever I visit. They told me that I have to see things though their perspective. How about them seeing through mine? Because I was welcome to visit my parents during course of the last year I thought they were making progress in accepting my transition. Boy was I wrong! My parents told me I can come over and visit and taking the brunt of their anti-daughter stance with me and allow them to call me the old name or I can cut ties with them.


If I cut ties with my parents then I have to cut ties with my brother, sister and her daughter too and they won't be allowed to contact me either. Talk about trans-phobic parents! They say that they love me. How can you love your child but not accept them? That's being a hypocrite. I still haven't decided what to do. That's why I find a kindred spirit in you cause you are going through the same thing I am going through however you still live with your parents. I was forced to move out in order to transition. Your parents may be like mine, they may never accept or call you by your preferred name and pronouns. You're not alone in this. There are others that are living through this too. Take care.
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LizMarie

You need to get out of there, as soon as possible. Just get out. Find a job, any job, and your own place, no matter how small, and get out. Then build on top of that.

And don't speak to them. Don't nail the door shut, just stop speaking to them. If they want to speak to you, make them come to you. If they refuse to show you proper respect, don't speak to them again for a long while and tell them why.

Frankly, your father is being an ass and your mother is definitely manipulating you.

Just get out.


Let me add this for Kaye, for Ida, and for others because it is absolutely spot on.


"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. And unselfishness is letting other people's lives alone, not interfering with them. Selfishness always aims at creating around it an absolute uniformity of type. Unselfishness recognises infinite variety of type as a delightful thing, accepts it, acquiesces in it, enjoys it. It is not selfish to think for oneself. A man who does not think for himself does not think at all. It is grossly selfish to require of one's neighbour that he should think in the same way, and hold the same opinions. Why should he? If he can think, he will probably think differently. If he cannot think, it is monstrous to require thought of any kind from him. A red rose is not selfish because it wants to be a red rose. It would be horribly selfish if it wanted all the other flowers in the garden to be both red and roses." ― Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man and Prison Writings
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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rosinstraya

Love the Oscar Wilde quote!

I am a Red Ros - in many ways - but, yes, we shouldn't demand others live as we do. Only that they respect our freely made decisions.
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Zoetrope

StephanieC - agreed ...

Situations like that, the best solution is to cut the cord.


Telling a child that 'you owe is' ... is a common but significantly damaging piece of manipulation. It creates so much resentment for both sides :~(

I was subjected to that again and again through my teenage years and adolescence. I wasn't aware of my gender issues then, that had nothing to do with it.


Sometimes you just gotta walk away ... :~o
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