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Consolidated Leelah Alcorn thread

Started by suzifrommd, December 29, 2014, 07:09:00 PM

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awilliams1701

It sucks that these things happen, but I was hoping it could be a learning experience for the parents that you can't change the nature of a person. Unfortunately I saw today that doesn't appear to be the case. Their kid died and they don't seem to understand why. Such a waste. I saw a documentary on being gay in a religious environment and one of the couples in the movie learned the lesson after their daughter killed herself. While they can't bring her back, they want to help people to understand and try to prevent it from happening to others. I guess it doesn't always work out that way.
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FrancisAnn

So sad, it almost makes me cry. RIP poor young girl.
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Miss_Bungle1991

The story has been picked up by Yahoo News. Some of the comments make me want to vomit. Actually, I want to do more than that. But I can't do that without going to prison. It amazes me what people will say when they are safe and sound behind their computers.

Sickening.
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AbeLane

This is so sad and horrible. It never ceases to amaze me how horrible people can be. Those parents should be charged with something and punished.
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Jill F

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on December 30, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
The story has been picked up by Yahoo News. Some of the comments make me want to vomit. Actually, I want to do more than that. But I can't do that without going to prison. It amazes me what people will say when they are safe and sound behind their computers.

Sickening.

Yes, the dregs of "humanity" strike again.   Who spends all day trolling Yahoo and just hating everyone in sight just for the sake of it?
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Daydreamer

This makes me so angry that I'm seeing red. There should just be a law that if you hate LGBTQ people and don't think you can handle having a child that's queer--you're not allowed to breed.

I hope Leelah finds some peace.
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Hikari

The worst part about all of this is that it doesn't even offer a little surprise to me....I think that speaks volumes for the relationship society at large has with transpeople.
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Kittenswithmittens

Every child deserves parents who love them above all. My heart is bleeding for kids like Leelah. May she rest in peace and may the world become a better place for everyone else in her situation.
"She had blue skin, and so did he. He kept it hid, and so did she. They searched for blue their whole life through, then passed right by - and never knew."
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traci_k

Tragic. If only parents (and spouses and children) would learn sooner. There was a good documentary called "For the Bible Tells Me So" about some fundamentalist parents, including a pastor,  who learned and changed their minds - only too late in dealing and rejecting their gay children.


"When will they learn that too many people have died?  - Bob Dylan
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Deltaforce

I nearly cried, reading about this. I just hope, somehow, somewhere,she gets a second chance...she didn't deserve any of this, no one does. And I'm extremely infuriated at the parents...In my eyes, that counts as a type of abuse. I just hope karma gets them back somehow, hard, and that Leelah can soon rest in peace.
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Serena

This makes me so sad, and I feel like crying so much... And me and Leelah are so similar, we are the same age, my mom is very religious as well, but she is muslim and she offered me to go to a muslim Imam and get "Help" in order to cure this disease, and I decided to leave her house, and now I'm homeless. I know that this life is really hard, and I've been thinking about ending my life so many times, but somehow I have hope in my heart that one day it will be better, I wish I had a chance to talk with Leelah and tell her that one day it will be better. Her parents need to go to jail, they killed her. It's an injustice. I can't believe that such a young life had to end so soon, because of our ->-bleeped-<-ed up society.  :icon_cry2: :icon_cry2: :icon_cry2: :icon_cry2:
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Andreja Silvija

I cried so much when I read that news link. It's such a shame. That could have honestly have been me after I was kicked out of my mom's house at age 15. Sure I had to pretend to be a boy for the next 5 years to live with my dad. But all that suffering was worth it now that I am finally transitioning at 21. I hope she, Leelah, rests in peace. I hope that all of you young transmen and women stay strong out there. Breaks my heart to bits.
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stephaniec

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tanehill/not-one-more_b_6400854.html?utm_hp_ref=transgender

Huffington Post/by Brynn Tanehill       12/31/2014

'When Leelah Alcorn died between Dayton and Cincinnati she left a note on tumblr that was a wake-up call to the world regarding what it means to be a transgender youth in a conservative Christian family.'
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Marcia

When I first saw about Leelah's suicide I cried. I first cried for Leelah then I cried for the truck driver.
Then I saw the mother's facebook post and saw that the mother made no mention of Leelah and was
worried that her death wouldn't have an impact. Now I see the story all over. What is really nice is that most of the online stories I see
have her pronouns correct. Evan ABC news got it correct. I also see that there is a memorial rally planned for friday night and
even though this is Ohio there is already over 2,000 people people that have signed up to be there. I am flabbergasted at the response.
I hope that is has somewhat of an impact on her parents and other parents of trans teens.
-Mark & Marcia
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Amy The Bookworm

I've been mulling this over a lot the last few days. I have an account on Tumblr and was following her blog. Neither of us really knew each other and we weren't close. She mostly posted silly stuff like Sailor Moon stuff and so forth, cutesy feminine stuff, just a kid being a kid. I actually missed when she posted several suicide related posts and her note though due to the holidays and my birthday falling back to back, and only went back to look when I saw her tumblr name show up in a news story and thought it sounded familiar. I see so many people on Tumblr talking about harming or killing themselves, or wanting to, that when it actually happened ...

I just sighed.

It was just that unsurprising. With how many trans people I see with serious depression and lack of empathy from non trans people ... I just felt it was a matter of time before someone gave up.

Part of me is angry at her, some of which I feel is justified ... some of it not. I'm angry, because regardless of how freaking hard her situation was? I wish I could grab her by the shoulders, give her a good hard shake and tell her she should have held on and waited until she was 18. She was still more than young enough for HRT to have had very good results even with a later start date. She had so much to look forward to in life and it just seems very senseless to have thrown it away like that. We'll never know what she will achieve because she gave up.

I also have complex feelings about her wanting her death to have meaning. It worries me that the attention she's getting may prompt other trans youth (and even trans adults) to do the same in a desperate attempt to both give up and to do something that gives some kind of meaning in what they may very strongly feel is a meaningless empty life. High profile suicides often cause 'copy cat' suicides.

And in a way that makes my stomach churn ... I have to admit that it disturbs me greatly that her death does have meaning. There's drives, and petitions, and memorial services, and vigils, and politicians paying attention, and ... her death may actually get results. It sickens me that in order to get people talking a child has to step in front of a semi truck and give her life like that. How many more of us have to give our own blood before things change? And that thought brings me to what I said above ... there probably will be more blood spilled. It's horrible that us being murdered doesn't make people bat an eyelash ... but a girl stepping out onto a highway in the early morning makes national headlines. Only the most extreme acts get attention. To me it really speaks to how little our lives are valued by society in a way I can't really explain. It makes me physically ill thinking about it.

Even still, despite my anger at her ... there's also an unshakable feeling that ... I'm hard pressed to actually blame her. While I try to give people the benefit of the doubt until I hear their side ... her parents cruelty trying to send her to Christan 'therapists' to 'fix' her because their religion 'says no', intentionally socially isolating their child because they're 'embarrassed' and more worried about their reputation than their kid ... That would be hard to live with. Being Transgender is sooooo difficult already without dealing with out right cruelty like that from your own parents (as others have said here already). There are times when it's very hard for me to justify my own existence simply because it feels almost impossible.

There's something else that chills me to the bone when I think about how she died. I try to put on an optimistic front on my blog (...which is why I'm posting this here instead of there...while I know not everything I'm saying is going to be popular ... I've got to say it somewhere), but even still ... I've certainly thought about doing the exact same thing just because at times it's hard to shake the thought that, "You know what? This is too hard. It's just not worth it." Because of the way our society is, at times it really does feel like it would be easier and a better choice to just step in front of a semi truck and get it over with. And I'm older with more psychological self defense mechanisms and I've got a supportive family and friends. All of that helps me to be able to keep going no matter what. Without them ... While I'm angry at her for doing it? I don't know that I can really find it in my heart to blame her, either.

And her parents ...

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and, I'm also a parent. I can't begin to imagine how they feel. But at the same time...

It's REALLY HARD for me to feel sorry for them when, according to several news agencies, Leelah's own mom posts about her as 'him', didn't use her name, and almost flat out denied what even superficially was an obvious suicide for reasons she and presumably her husband were blatantly aware of and actively worsening. Her parents may not have pulled the trigger. They may not have legally done anything wrong (even if their actions were those of reprehensible monsters). But ... from where I'm looking, I genuinely feel that they killed her.

The best thing I can think of that might help make up for their horrible irresponsible negligent choices would be for them to publicly state that they were wrong. Turn around, find those 'therapists' who weren't doing a damn thing for your kid but say "Pray to god!". Rake them across the coals. Hold them accountable. Speak out and TELL people how YOU killed YOUR CHILD so that it NEVER EVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

I sincerely hope that Leelah's death brings about laws banning conversion therapy, and possibly goes farther to hold 'Christan therapists' accountable for the harm they do and forces them to practice at a higher, responsible, ethical standard, all of which they should be doing already. I pray that her parents look long and hard into their hearts and spend the rest of their lives trying to right this wrong and to help others. It's too late for their daughter.

But maybe they will listen to their own daughter's last words and help give Leelah's death meaning. Her parents very well could save lives.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Amy The Bookworm on January 01, 2015, 03:00:09 AM
I sincerely hope that Leelah's death brings about laws banning conversion therapy, and possibly goes farther to hold 'Christan therapists' accountable for the harm they do and forces them to practice at a higher, responsible, ethical standard, all of which they should be doing already.

I agree.

I'd even like to see more. I'd like to see a country where our culture and laws make it CHILD ABUSE to deny a child the right to express his/her gender identity.
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suzifrommd

Key quote:

QuoteMissouri law defines child neglect as "the failure to provide, by those responsible for the care, custody, and control of a child under the age of eighteen years, the care reasonable and necessary to maintain the physical and mental health of the child" and is also punishable with years in prison, even if the child doesn't perish. But somehow, despite everything, the state will not recognize what happened to Leelah as neglect.

What happened to Leelah was child abuse, pure and simple. Until our society and laws recognize that, unfortunately there will be a whole lot more.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ImagineKate

Agreed. Unfortunately it is still OK to neglect the needs of transgender people in society. That needs to be fixed first of all. We are human, above all.
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Amy The Bookworm

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 01, 2015, 06:26:23 AM
I agree.

I'd even like to see more. I'd like to see a country where our culture and laws make it CHILD ABUSE to deny a child the right to express his/her gender identity.

Yeah ... I know you're right and I want that too? But I know that's just too much to hope for.

Which is sad.
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