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Started by Cin, January 08, 2015, 11:16:36 PM

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Cin

At the moment, there's really nothing I can do about my gender dysphoria, I'm not ready (financially and otherwise), I'm in the middle of something very important, it requires dedication and I can't mess it up, and hopefully will lead to better things for me once I'm done with it. I feel lucky because life has given me a few chances to turn things around, and this might be my last one. I will be twenty four in a few months, I just found an older photo of mine and I realized how time just speeds up as you grow older, I can't believe 5 years have passed since 2010?

I want time to slow down, but at the same time I'm impatient. I know things will get better for me, and I have to keep my emotions in check until in then. I can't wait to have my money and freedom so that I can get help and whatever i feel is right.

It's frustrating because everyone else i know is finding new things to do, getting married or buying a new car or something, but I'm not making any kind of progress. I'm stuck, I still feel like the day I discovered I may be trans, which was 4 years ago. What didn't help was finding an old photo of mine and realizing how my looks have changed over the years. I'm still the same inside.

There's not a single person I know (friends or family) that I trust enough to come out to. Besides, I don't really think 'coming out of the closet' is the right thing to do now. yes, It might take a lot of weight off my shoulders, but I don't see how it will really help me otherwise, and you let the cat out of the bag, you have no control anymore. My parents love me unconditionally as a son, but I don't know if they'll ever accept me otherwise.

I'm not happy at all, but I just have to keep going.
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CaptFido87

hey cin,

I know exactly how you feel here. Everyone you know would likely not welcome the change, you feel like time is your enemy, you haven't progressed in life at all, you can't afford it and than there's the million thoughts in your head questioning why you would think this way. Yes times my be tough but there's no rush. I've heard of people transitioning in their 70s.

Although I do feel your need to transition now. You just wanna get all of the little steps out of the way and move on with life. I'm not sure how to help you here since I'm stuck in the same boat at being 24. You do seem to have some patience, though. So maybe right now the best answer is to take things slowly and make sure you are prepared for this.

Good luck friend. You got us right here to help,

Sincerely,
Marty (Sammi)
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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Cin

Quote from: CaptFido87 on January 08, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
hey cin,

I know exactly how you feel here. Everyone you know would likely not welcome the change, you feel like time is your enemy, you haven't progressed in life at all, you can't afford it and than there's the million thoughts in your head questioning why you would think this way. Yes times my be tough but there's no rush. I've heard of people transitioning in their 70s.

Although I do feel your need to transition now. You just wanna get all of the little steps out of the way and move on with life. I'm not sure how to help you here since I'm stuck in the same boat at being 24. You do seem to have some patience, though. So maybe right now the best answer is to take things slowly and make sure you are prepared for this.

Good luck friend. You got us right here to help,

Sincerely,
Marty (Sammi)

Sometimes I'm patient, other times I'm not. I'm just out of options, right now. It's hard for me to see any light at the 'end of the tunnel'. So, I'm just sort of existing, hopefully things will get better. I mean, what else can I do, when I'm out of options.

Until then, I am free to figure myself out and what I want to do with my life and stuff.

Every now and then I just have to make a thread about my progress or lack thereof, as it helps me keep going. I think.

Thank you for replying. Knowing that other people understand what I'm going through, keeps me going and makes me feel less alone.
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mrs izzy

What i found is that living a life to please others is just empty.

You have to live your life.

Just a little advice from a old lady.
Mrs. Izzy
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Cin

Quote from: mrs izzy on January 09, 2015, 02:23:46 AM
What i found is that living a life to please others is just empty.

You have to live your life.

Just a little advice from a old lady.

I agree, I just wish I could be a little more brave. I'm trying to find courage, and I wonder if courage from confidence. I'm not confident at all at the moment with so much uncertainty in my life right now.
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Foxglove

You know you're getting old when you smile when a 24-year-old thinks they're old.

I left my transitioning far too late, but this I've learned: whenever you start, it makes you feel good about yourself.  Sometimes you have to be patient, sometimes you face checks here and there.  It can be frustrating--but looking for a way forward, no matter how old you are, makes life so much nicer.  It means you're fighting the good fight.

Yes, we all get impatient.  But you've got lots of years to get to where you want to be.  Take every step as you can.  There's satisfaction to be found in every one of them.

Best wishes,
Foxglove
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Cin

Quote from: Foxglove on January 09, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
You know you're getting old when you smile when a 24-year-old thinks they're old.

I left my transitioning far too late, but this I've learned: whenever you start, it makes you feel good about yourself.  Sometimes you have to be patient, sometimes you face checks here and there.  It can be frustrating--but looking for a way forward, no matter how old you are, makes life so much nicer.  It means you're fighting the good fight.

Yes, we all get impatient.  But you've got lots of years to get to where you want to be.  Take every step as you can.  There's satisfaction to be found in every one of them.

Best wishes,
Foxglove

Being early twenties feels kind of weird, 2004 wasn't that long ago, but I can't believe I was only 13 back then!

I wonder sometimes, how do I know when it's right to come out? and to whom? I know that my mom loves me unconditionally and often encourages me to talk to her about my problems, but this is something I'm pretty sure she's not ready for.

I am scared, confused and tired, but I have to keep going.

I try to take it all in my stride and keep going, but sometimes I just can't help but feel a little selfish. My parents do all they can to keep me happy, but yet I want more, and it's not something that they can give me.

I'm having one of those days, I'm really down.
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Foxglove

Quote from: Cin on January 09, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
. . . sometimes I just can't help but feel a little selfish.

Now, Cin, there are certain things that make me really angry, and this is one of them: this notion that we transpeople are being selfish because we want to live our lives just like everybody else on this planet.  This is one we hear sometimes from the dedicated trans-haters out there.  After all, we're such a small minority and (heavens!) we make them uncomfortable, and (gosh!) how can we be so awful as not to think about other people?  We only think about ourselves.  We're not living the way they want us to.  Proof of what bad people we are.

I got something like this on another forum one time.  A woman complaining about minorities.  Everything these days is being done for minorities, and why should we have to worry about them?  There's only a few of them, so it's hardly worth the bother.  And this woman was an outspoken Christian—so like, where's her Christian compassion, right?  And this woman was also of an ethnic minority in her country.  So how do you explain that?

At any rate, I put it to her like this: "The ship goes down.  There are people in the water all over the place.  Fortunately, there are plenty of lifeboats and a crew who are well-trained to deal with such emergencies.  So they've got everybody in the boats in no time—except for one woman who's drifted off quite some distance from everybody else.  So what will the crew say?  'It's only one, lads.  Why should we bother?'"

My interlocutor agreed that yes, sometimes a majority has a duty to an individual, and that it would in fact be criminal if they neglected that duty.

Yet here you are, in the water and obviously struggling and still you're somewhat apologetic about it—as if you're somehow less valuable than everybody else.  And why exactly is it that you're in the water to begin with?  Because the ship went down?  No, the ship's just fine.  It's because some nasty people pitched you overboard, and they're precisely the ones who are complaining about what a bother you are because you want to be rescued.

What sort of people are they?  Well, here's a quote from a guy who posted on a forum four days after Leelah Alcorn's death to express his opposition to transgender rights: "If it's a more just society we're pursuing, IMHO, the unspeakable sufferings of industrial-farmed animals and animals in labs would be a much better place to start since their suffering is far worse than that of LGBT's in Western society."

There are people out there who rate us lower than animals.  They make us desperately unhappy, sometimes they even drive one of ours to suicide, and they've somehow got the notion that we're an inconvenience to them.  Do we owe them any apologies?  No, these are the attitudes that we grow up with, the attitudes propagated by our society and that we internalize, and then we feel bad about ourselves and start thinking that we somehow really are an inconvenience to others.

Cin, people everywhere tacitly agree that every human being possesses certain inalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  You are as valuable as anybody on this planet, and if certain trans-haters disagree with that and want to deny you your human rights, they're wrong.  These rights are inalienable.  You know what that means.  They can't be alienated.

So you do have the right to claim your rights, and it doesn't make it selfish of you.  Others have no right to say so, and you shouldn't be saying it yourself.  You don't owe anyone any apologies.  You haven't done them any wrong.  On the contrary, they've done a great wrong to you—the wrong that they did to Leelah Alcorn and the wrong they'd like to do to every one of us.

Quote from: Cin on January 09, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
My parents do all they can to keep me happy, but yet I want more, and it's not something that they can give me.

You're exactly right on this point, Cin.  Your parents can't give you happiness, and they can't live your life for you.  You have to do that yourself.  And as I say, you're not doing anything wrong.  You want to be happy.  You want to live a good life.  Show me somebody on this planet who doesn't.

Quote from: Cin on January 09, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
I wonder sometimes, how do I know when it's right to come out? and to whom? I know that my mom loves me unconditionally and often encourages me to talk to her about my problems, but this is something I'm pretty sure she's not ready for.

This one is harder to answer, and I can't give you any firm advice here because you know your circumstances and I don't.  How do you know when it's right to come out?  I think, generally speaking, when you've got to the point where you simply cannot stay in any more.  But it's up to you to decide when that is.

And your mom isn't ready for it?  Well, Cin, if you're 24, that means your mom is probably at least 44, and if she isn't ready now, when will she be?  My dad's 86, and my brother, sister and I all agreed that he's not ready for it.  So how much longer should I have waited?  We live far enough apart that he doesn't need to know about it, so he doesn't.  I live my life and he knows nothing about it, and that's a nuisance for me in ways, but it's not my fault.

Now she's your mom, and of course if there's something you can do to make things a bit easier for her, by all means do it.  But how can you stay in the closet for her sake?  And Cin, understand that you may be seriously underrating her.  It's one thing I realized when I at long last came out: I hadn't given the people who knew me nearly enough credit.  There's not a single one of the people who know me who turned their back on me when I came out.  And if your mom knew what you're going through, perhaps she would encourage you to come out rather than continue to live in such pain.  People who love you don't want to see you in pain.  Your pain hurts them.  They don't want you to live with it if you don't have to.

I'm not going to tell you what to do.  You know your circumstances and I don't.  It's a fact that there are good ways and bad ways of coming out.  We transpeople need to be smart and try to do things in a smart way.  One thing I learned is this: there's no point in dwelling on your unhappiness.  Look at that unhappiness, try to see where it's coming from and try to figure out what you can do about it, what steps you need to take.  Try to see your situation rationally and act accordingly.  No need to be hasty, foolhardy or reckless.  Little steps will get you a long, long way in the end.

But Cin, you don't want to live your life the way I've lived mine.  You don't want to stay in the closet for decades.  That's no way to live.  You may be scared.  I was terrified.  But it can be done.  Don't despair.  Think!  Try to see what you need to do and how you can do it.  If a cowardly, decrepit idiot like me can do it, you can, too.

Best wishes,
Foxglove


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Cin

Thank you foxglove :)

I know I'm not really selfish, I just want a normal life, but I feel a little guilty for wanting more. I think it has to do with my mom, she often says what more could we possibly give to you, son? and I don't really know how to answer that.

That saddens me, how people are so ignorant about transgender people and say awful things, and I know I shouldn't let their bigotedness (is that a word?) get to me, but sometimes they do. It might affect me for a few days, but then I'm back to feeling 'OK' about me being trans. I go back-and-forth, back-and-forth, but I'm much more accepting of myself now than I was 2 or 3 years ago.

I don't think you're cowardly or an idiot foxglove, I don't know why you think that way, you were brave and had the courage to come out, and you're reaching out to others who need help, like me. I think that's pretty awesome.

I'm caught up in two minds, sometimes I feel like it's my duty to tell her my problem since she would hurt inside if I kept secrets from her. When I get emotional, I don't even care if she rejects me, because that would be a great weight off my shoulders, but I don't know if I can handle the consequences right now. My life is stable, after years of failure, I don't want to make things harder for me and lose focus on school, I don't want her to worry too much about how I'm doing in school, since my dysphoria DOESN'T really affect my studies. Other times, I just want to keep my emotions in check, I've done things I regret when I got too emotional in the past, I just have to fight it out for now and wait for better times.

Sometimes I feel bad for starting topics like this, it's just a rant really, and I don't know if it benefits anyone except myself as it gives me comfort.

It means a lot just to be able to share my feelings here, thank you very much Foxglove.
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Rachel

Perhaps a gender therapist can help you sort out what you want to do and/or a trans group.

HRT starts out slow and you can always stop if it is not what you want.

I started hrt at 50 and I wish I did it when I was young.

Fear, I know fear. Facing my fear has been my greatest accomplishment in my transition. I think I am a much stronger person now. I still have fear but for me I look at the fear. I talk to the fear and I move past the fear. Fear no longer controls me, at least until I make a few decision n my future where I am sure fear will be my companion for a while.
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Ella~

QuoteSometimes I feel bad for starting topics like this, it's just a rant really, and I don't know if it benefits anyone except myself as it gives me comfort.

I know what you mean by this. I wrote a similar kind of post in the wee hours of the morning today. But, I think rants not only benefit the writer. They help those of us facing similar problems in lots of ways too. So rant on as far as I'm concerned. Especially if you have no where else to turn.

I hear a lot of myself in what you've written. The biggest difference is I'm twenty years older than you. I'm the last person in the world to give anyone advice when it comes to being brave and facing up to GD honestly, openly and proactively. But, I could give you a ton of really good advice about hiding, coping, overcompensating, compartmentalizing etc. but that wouldn't be very helpful  :D. What I'll do here instead is to give you a few observations I've had about myself that led me from a 24 year old like you to the 44 year old I am today:

It was never the right time to come out. I either felt I had no one close enough to trust or, like now, I felt like I had too many special people to lose.

It was never a good time to move forward because of money. I was either making not enough or making too much and felt I couldn't risk taking even one step forward.

It has always been too easy to pour myself into other things. That's my way of coping - I'm a workaholic and over achiever. It dulls the pain, fills the void and always makes me think it will set me up for a better day to deal with this problem. The better days and better things always come, but then I just seek more.

Again, I'm the last person to take advice from. All I can offer is an example of where a certain kind of thinking can lead you. A cautionary tale for you. Maybe for me too lol.

Everyone should always do what they think is right for the moment. Just try to avoid traps and false hopes in your thinking in everything you do. I wish I had been able to follow that when I was young like you and wish I could today.

I'll give it a try and hope maybe you will too.

- ella
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Cin

Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on January 10, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
Perhaps a gender therapist can help you sort out what you want to do and/or a trans group.

HRT starts out slow and you can always stop if it is not what you want.

I started hrt at 50 and I wish I did it when I was young.

Fear, I know fear. Facing my fear has been my greatest accomplishment in my transition. I think I am a much stronger person now. I still have fear but for me I look at the fear. I talk to the fear and I move past the fear. Fear no longer controls me, at least until I make a few decision n my future where I am sure fear will be my companion for a while.

I see, it's ok to be afraid, but it shouldn't prevent you from doing something. But you have to acknowledge fear. Thank you

I will seek help from a therapist, that is the first thing I plan to do when I get a job.
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Cin

Quote from: Ella~ on January 10, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
I know what you mean by this. I wrote a similar kind of post in the wee hours of the morning today. But, I think rants not only benefit the writer. They help those of us facing similar problems in lots of ways too. So rant on as far as I'm concerned. Especially if you have no where else to turn.

I hope it benefits someone other than me. but I posted pretty much the same thing a couple of months ago, nothing has changed, so I feel like I'm not making progress.

QuoteI hear a lot of myself in what you've written. The biggest difference is I'm twenty years older than you. I'm the last person in the world to give anyone advice when it comes to being brave and facing up to GD honestly, openly and proactively. But, I could give you a ton of really good advice about hiding, coping, overcompensating, compartmentalizing etc. but that wouldn't be very helpful  :D. What I'll do here instead is to give you a few observations I've had about myself that led me from a 24 year old like you to the 44 year old I am today:

It was never the right time to come out. I either felt I had no one close enough to trust or, like now, I felt like I had too many special people to lose.

It was never a good time to move forward because of money. I was either making not enough or making too much and felt I couldn't risk taking even one step forward.

It has always been too easy to pour myself into other things. That's my way of coping - I'm a workaholic and over achiever. It dulls the pain, fills the void and always makes me think it will set me up for a better day to deal with this problem. The better days and better things always come, but then I just seek more.

Again, I'm the last person to take advice from. All I can offer is an example of where a certain kind of thinking can lead you. A cautionary tale for you. Maybe for me too lol.

I appreciate your advice, I know what you mean about making too much money or no money. It's not easy either way.

I have to be patient, but not too patient, I don't want to look back and regret it when it's too late.

QuoteEveryone should always do what they think is right for the moment. Just try to avoid traps and false hopes in your thinking in everything you do. I wish I had been able to follow that when I was young like you and wish I could today.

I'll give it a try and hope maybe you will too.

- ella

I think young trans* people realize that they're trans a lot younger than before because of the internet and support groups everywhere, so maybe some people in the past didn't really have a choice, and realized that they were trans* and there are ways to ease gender dysphoria a little later on in their lives. Sometimes there is nothing we can do about it, we all come from different cultures, different families with different religious beliefs. You are absolutely the right person to give me advice though, that was helpful :)
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