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Documentary showing that gender identity is inbuilt, not learned

Started by HughE, January 28, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

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HughE

I recently came across The boy who was turned into a girl a BBC documentary, first broadcast in 2000, about the David Reimer case:

David Reimer was born male, but his penis was destroyed during a bungled circumcision operation. Under the guidance of now notorious psychiatrist Dr john Money, he was surgically reassigned to female and brought up as a girl. At the time, his case was believed to be a resounding success, proof that people are born gender neutral, and can be molded to identify as either male or female depending on their upbringing. His case became the basis for a policy of carrying out reassignment surgery on babies born intersexed or with otherwise damaged genitals, and thousands of unfortunate infants were operated on as a result.

It had recently emerged that David Reimer's reassignment had failed disastrously, which is what led to the documentary being produced. In it, David talks about how badly his life had been affected, that he had never felt like a girl or been comfortable with a female gender identity, and was now living as a man. Sadly, he committed suicide four years after this documentary was produced.

One thing that particularly interested me, is that they explain in quite a lot of depth about how important testosterone is in driving male brain development. They show some actual footage of female lab rats that were prenatally exposed to testosterone (by injecting the hormone into the mother), adopting male behaviour and attempting to copulate with other female rats. They also show some photomicrographs of brain tissue, demonstrating how the brains of these artificially androgenized female rats have a "sexually dimorphic nucleus" that looks completely different from a normal female one and virtually identical to a male one. I think those experiments provide a good illustration for how being prenatally exposed to hormones with antiandrogenic properties (such as DES) could give rise to MTF transsexuality, and those with androgenic properties (such as first generation progestins) could cause FTM transsexuality.
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ChiGirl

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Jill F

Now I'm curious why it is that pregnant women "should not handle broken finasteride tablets due to a specific kind of birth defect".
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HughE

Quote from: Jill F on January 28, 2015, 06:23:48 PM
Now I'm curious why it is that pregnant women "should not handle broken finasteride tablets due to a specific kind of birth defect".
A few months ago I made a list of pregnancy warnings associated with antiandrogens, that might provide a clue as to what kind of birth defects they can produce.

Spironolactone
http://www.drugs.com/pregnancy/spironolactone.html
"Spironolactone has been assigned to pregnancy category C by the FDA. Animal studies at the maximum human dose showed feminization of male fetuses during early pregnancy and indications of endocrine dysfunction in both male and female offspring during late pregnancy that persisted into adulthood. "

Bicalutamide
http://www.rxlist.com/casodex-drug/warnings-precautions.htm
"PREGNANCY CATEGORY X [see CONTRAINDICATIONS]. Based on its mechanism of action, CASODEX (bicalutamide) may cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman. CASODEX (bicalutamide) is contraindicated in women, including those who are or may become pregnant. If this drug is used during pregnancy, or if the patient becomes pregnant while taking this drug, the patient should be apprised of the potential hazard to a fetus.
While there are no human data on the use of CASODEX (bicalutamide) in pregnancy and CASODEX (bicalutamide) is not for use in women, it is important to know that maternal use of an androgen receptor inhibitor could affect development of the fetus.
In animal reproduction studies, male offspring of rats receiving doses of 10 mg/kg/day (approximately 2/3 of clinical exposure at the recommended dose) and above, were observed to have reduced anogenital distance and hypospadias. These pharmacological effects have been observed with other antiandrogens."

Finasteride
http://www.drugs.com/pro/propecia.html
"Finasteride use is contraindicated in women when they are or may potentially be pregnant. Because of the ability of Type II 5a-reductase inhibitors to inhibit the conversion of testosterone to 5a-dihydrotestosterone (DHT), finasteride may cause abnormalities of the external genitalia of a male fetus of a pregnant woman who receives finasteride. If this drug is used during pregnancy, or if pregnancy occurs while taking this drug, the pregnant woman should be apprised of the potential hazard to the male fetus."

Androcur
http://secure.healthlinks.net.au/content/apo/index_pi_apo.cfm?product=gxpcyp50
"Use in Pregnancy (Category D1)
The use of GenRx Cyproterone Acetate 50 mg is contraindicated during pregnancy (also see CONTRAINDICATIONS).. Administration of cyproterone acetate during the hormone - sensitive differentiation stage of the genital organs (after approx. day 45 of pregnancy) could lead to signs of feminisation in the male foetus."
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darkblade

There's also a book about him which I found really interesting and informative (but pretty sad), kinda stumbled upon it by accident without knowing anything about the case. It's called As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto. He also wrote an article in Slate following Reimer's suicide: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2004/06/gender_gap.html

I'm trying to be somebody, I'm not trying to be somebody else.
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Rudy King

Unfortunately, because of "Dr. Money", many Intersex children have been effected because of this man.  And while this case helps prove that you can't change gender, it cost at least one life.
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HughE

Quote from: darkblade on January 29, 2015, 07:15:26 AM
There's also a book about him which I found really interesting and informative (but pretty sad), kinda stumbled upon it by accident without knowing anything about the case. It's called As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto. He also wrote an article in Slate following Reimer's suicide: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2004/06/gender_gap.html
Here, courtesy of the Internet Archive, is the original 1997 Rolling Stone article authored by John Colapinto, in which the story first came out:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090331071817/http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm
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cindy16

I had read about David Reimer before but not this full story. Sad and touching, but also makes one angry in some parts on the medical profession.
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