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Started by Ange, January 31, 2015, 08:08:12 AM

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Ange

Hello !

I'm french, 27 years-old, and I will soon take an appointment with an endo to get a HRT. I would like to know, before that, what kind of hormones I should ask for, and what are the health risks for each of them.

I believe I need oestrogens + T-blockers ? Which ones ? Do I need something else ? I have the money for SRS and I plan to do it ; should I plan my SRS as soon as possible, or as late as possible ?

I'm a little lost on this specific topic. Could someone help ?

Thank you ! 
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EmmaMcAllister

Synthetic estradiol is the safest form of estrogen. In Canada, it's marketed under the name Estrace.

For an anti androgen, the safest option is Spironolactone. But Spiro is a diuretic and not everybody can tolerate it (I can't). Cyproterone acetate (Androcur) is the best alternative. It's actually more effective than Spiro, but higher dosages carry the risk of liver damage.
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Devlyn

Quote from: Ange on January 31, 2015, 08:08:12 AM
Hello !

I'm french, 27 years-old, and I will soon take an appointment with an endo to get a HRT. I would like to know, before that, what kind of hormones I should ask for, and what are the health risks for each of them.

I believe I need oestrogens + T-blockers ? Which ones ? Do I need something else ? I have the money for SRS and I plan to do it ; should I plan my SRS as soon as possible, or as late as possible ?

I'm a little lost on this specific topic. Could someone help ?

Thank you !

Hi Ange, welcome to Susan's Place! Here's a primer for you, there's a lot of information here:

https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)

Hugs, Devlyn
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Ange

Yes I've read this page (and a few others on the net) but I have a hard time deciding which I need, which is better, which is a problem for health...

I've read synthetic hormones are more prone to giving cancer than natural hormones in the long term. Is it true ?

I understand I need progesteron. Is there a point to finasterid ?

SRS/orchisectomy should happen as soon as possible to limit the need of long-terme hormontherapy (especially T-blockers) that can damage the body ?



Tell me what your definition of "man" and "woman" is, I'll tell you which I am. Not the other way around.
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Ms Grace

Hey Ange!

Welcome to Susan's :) Great to have you here - looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

There are any number of hormones that might be appropriate, or not. Your endo will probably want to run a few tests (blood pressure, blood tests, etc) before deciding on what to prescribe. Generally they will start you off slowly and interdicted other medicines if your body responds well. They will be able to talk to you about the best hormones for you, it isn't generally a case of walking in and asking for specific medicines.

Please check out the following links for general site info...


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Ange

Thanks for all these remarks and answers !

Yes I understand that my endo is here to do the work, but I don't want to blindly trust her without having good informations beforehand. And I won't be able to post here in the middle of my appointment. ;-)
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Steph34

Estradiol is the best feminizing agent. It feminizes every part of the body and is the same hormone found in cis women; it seems to work well for them. When it fails to cause good feminization, it is usually because the dosage is too low. High doses may cause thrombosis in people who are already susceptible to it, but the risk is near zero for an otherwise healthy adult under 40. A bigger (and often overlooked) health threat from estradiol is candidiasis, which can be prevented by avoiding yeasty and sweet foods, taking probiotics, and maintaining a healthy immune system. Other estrogens have many more health risks and have not been shown to be more effective than a sufficient dose of estradiol.

I warn against spironolactone because it makes skin severely rough and dry and age rapidly - a very upsetting side effect. It can also cause fast/irregular heartbeats, dehydration, excessive urination (including overnight), fatigue, and hyperkalemia. It is also less effective at suppressing testosterone production when compared to certain other androgen blockers/anti androgens. Furthermore, spironolactone has an androgenic effect itself, so its efficacy for feminization is typically lower than one would think based on its effect on testosterone levels. I personally found it worthless for feminization, but had all of the side effects listed above. As a result, I no longer use it.
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Never underestimate the power of estradiol or the people who have it.
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Jaz650

Quote from: Steph34 on February 01, 2015, 09:03:24 AM
Estradiol is the best feminizing agent. It feminizes every part of the body and is the same hormone found in cis women; it seems to work well for them. When it fails to cause good feminization, it is usually because the dosage is too low. High doses may cause thrombosis in people who are already susceptible to it, but the risk is near zero for an otherwise healthy adult under 40. A bigger (and often overlooked) health threat from estradiol is candidiasis, which can be prevented by avoiding yeasty and sweet foods, taking probiotics, and maintaining a healthy immune system. Other estrogens have many more health risks and have not been shown to be more effective than a sufficient dose of estradiol.

I warn against spironolactone because it makes skin severely rough and dry and age rapidly - a very upsetting side effect. It can also cause fast/irregular heartbeats, dehydration, excessive urination (including overnight), fatigue, and hyperkalemia. It is also less effective at suppressing testosterone production when compared to certain other androgen blockers/anti androgens. Furthermore, spironolactone has an androgenic effect itself, so its efficacy for feminization is typically lower than one would think based on its effect on testosterone levels. I personally found it worthless for feminization, but had all of the side effects listed above. As a result, I no longer use it.

If you don't mind me asking what do you use to replace Spironolactone?


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ImagineKate

Quote from: Jaz650 on February 01, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
If you don't mind me asking what do you use to replace Spironolactone?

In the US there are a couple other alternatives, one is bicalutamide (casodex) which is a prostate cancer drug.

I am on spiro both for antiandrogen and blood pressure.

If you are on injections (you said you would be going on them) you may not even need an antiandrogen because E will suppress T production sufficiently.

I get dry skin but I drink plenty of water and I also moisturize. I take another diuretic (hydrochlorothiazide) for high blood pressure so I have to stay hydrated anyway. Winter makes it worse. But I was that way before I started HRT and my (cis) wife has dryer skin than I do.
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Steph34

Quote from: Jaz650 on February 01, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
If you don't mind me asking what do you use to replace Spironolactone?
For now, I am only using leuprolide acetate and dutasteride to reduce the production of T and DHT, respectively. I am not currently taking any receptor blockers. Perhaps that is why I have had no feminization recently. I received a prescription for flutamide from my old endocrinologist, but my new doctor warned me against taking it, claiming "it would definitely make you anemic." It has many other nasty side effects too, like liver damage, gastrointestinal problems, and photosensitivity. I do not want to damage my liver and jeopardize my future access to high-dose hormones. I wish I could just remove the offending organ; that would make life so much easier. :embarrassed:

Quote from: ImagineKate on February 02, 2015, 03:50:20 PM
In the US there are a couple other alternatives, one is bicalutamide (casodex) which is a prostate cancer drug.
Thank you. I will ask my doctor about that when I see her tomorrow, but I doubt she will prescribe it if she did not like flutamide. From what I understand, though, it does seem to be safer with regard to side effects.
Accepted i was transgender December 2008
Started HRT Summer 2014
Name Change Winter 2017
Never underestimate the power of estradiol or the people who have it.
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