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First time I ever heard any discussion about transgender from family.

Started by CaptFido87, February 05, 2015, 08:37:34 PM

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CaptFido87

Hi folks,

The other day I finally got to hear my family's thoughts on transgender people.

We were watching a show and there was a bigger guy on. He looked a little feminine my family thought, or so they say, I didn't see it. Something led to another and my mom thought it was Chaz Bono (Cher's transgender son). My sister didn't who that and my mom explained that Chaz used to be "a pretty girl who for whatever decided to have a sex change". Naturally my mom says that doing something like that is "Weird". I instantly tried to get a rebuttal in saying that he did whatever he wanted to be happy. It wasn't weird it's How he wanted to live his life. Now my whole family is in on the topic. My sister says something along the lines of "yea that's weird and creepy". Her boyfriend chimes in and also agrees that'd it be weird to do. My dad slowly nodded his head in agreement.

My mom decides next to question the whole bathroom situation. She goes on how going to the bathroom would be even weirder and wondered on how the genital system worked. She knew that to become a woman that you take hormones to grow boobs and such. She questioned how it'd work. "Do they just chop of the penis?" is what she mentioned. Also now they went to the topic of how a woman becomes a man. She wondered how a woman gets a penis out of a vagina. Than they started laughing at the fact of someone sticking a fake one in there to pretend it was real.

I feel kind of upset by this point and left the dinner table. I thought the whole conversation was unnecessary and pointless. I guess I finally got some input on how my family thinks about transgender people or "Weirdos". I felt really discouraged the rest of the night. I never once before ever heard anyone mention anything like this and always thought they simply just didn't care about topics like this. My family can be reserved at times and simply just not care for all of the worlds stupid nonsense. I was kind of hoping it'd be the same way on this.

I just felt so hurt and they didn't have a clue. It now makes coming out to them more of a challenge to me. Now I'm a little frightened of what could happen of when I do come out. I certainly can't afford to live on my own yet let alone pay for therapy/ hrt. I just have so many thoughts rushing into my head again and can feel depression lurking nearby. This sucks. I luckily got a chance today to get some make-up on and nails painted to calm the anxiety.

I really just needed to vent and this was the right place for me. Sorry about the long post. I'm sure there's plenty of people who have faced the same problem who understand and could offer guidance.

-Marty (Sammi)
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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ChiGirl

That's hard to hear from your family.  Give it some time.  People can sometimes change their opinions on things once it's a member of their family.  Good luck and hugs.
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CaptFido87

Thank you chigirl. I know now the path happiness is even more unpaved that hoped. Guess I knew all along that it'd be this way.
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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ChiGirl

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CaptFido87

Amen sister. Im just hoping that the path stays a dirt road (and Nothing wrong with that ;)) and doesn't become a narrow path through a forrest. That's where the trouble lurks. Staying positive is the only way I know I'll get through. I've come so far and there's no going back. Gotta keep on keeping on
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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Beth Andrea

Actually, your family sounds pretty normal in that regard...given they don't know how "being trans" works, so instead of admitting, "Golly, I don't really know...I'm going to look it up and find out!" their imagination runs wild and free, reigned in by the oldest emotion there is, FEAR.

Fear of the unknown. Fear of the different. Fear about themselves...Guys cup their balls when they see someone slip and fall on a metal bar...girls grimace when they see a breast injured...so of course when they hear about a "man" having his "penis CUT OFF!" or a "woman" who has her vagina etc removed to make way for male genitals they are going to cringe.

I always smile when I'm among people like that...that's my chance to either educate them, or to let them embarrass themselves with their foolishness.

Quote...She wondered how a woman gets a penis out of a vagina...

...and wondered on how the genital system worked...

...She knew that to become a woman that you take hormones to grow boobs and such. She questioned how it'd work. "Do they just chop of the penis?" is what she mentioned...

I'd start by sitting there quietly, not trying to talk over them...just wait for a lull and say with confidence, "*I* know how it's done, and why."

If they ask how you know and you don't want to out yourself, just say you read about Chaz and was curious...and you read up on female-to-male and MtF transitions, how it works, is it effective, just like original equipment, etc.

"First off, the male and female body parts are very, very similar. Basically it's only a matter of relative size and approximate location. In the womb we are all female, until hormones kick in..." As always, if they start all talking at once, wait for them to calm down and respond to specific questions (but NOT general ones). You mention the M and F parts are very similar, because most cis-people have never given it a thought. Men have a penis, women have vaginas; how can they be the same organ?

Well, they aren't. The male penis' equivalent is not the vagina, it's the clitoris. And have you ever noticed the "seam" running down the middle of the scrotum? That is in fact, a seam--if the fetus was to be a girl, the "scrotum" would have been the labia majora...and the seam would be the vaginal opening.

You use simple descriptions and short sentences in order to keep their attention and before you know it, their association of "penis = vagina" is replaced with an easily understood "Oh...so that's it!" kind of thinking.


"...And that's why men have nipples; we were all female in the early womb, and the nips never atrophied. In fact, men can get breast cancer too, and they can produce milk, because the mammary glands are still there, just not developed."

"Oh that's sick!!" No it's not. Milk from a man's breast is the same as a woman's breast. That's not sick, that's just how the body is made.

At this point, you should be able to tell them that "sex" is what's between the legs, and "gender" is what is in the mind. I have used, to good effect, the story about the intersex child from the early 60's that the doc and family decided would be a girl (the parts had a more girlie look to them apparently) and made her genitals look passably female...but as "she" grew up, she kept saying she was missing something, that she should be able to stand and pee, etc. Her operation happened within days of birth, and she was raised to be a girl...there's no way that she could remember having a penis, let alone standing to pee. Eventually she ("he" now) reversed what they had done to him, but then his peers in school etc rejected him. "He" eventually committed suicide, because of the complete lack of support and encouragement to BE himself.*

That's why it's important to trust when someone says "I'm (opposite gender) to my (assigned birth), we should TRUST that they are telling us the truth...because sometimes people are born that way. Which would hurt more...the undeserved embarrassment from others, or the suicide of one's child?

Ok so having said this...please remember it's not a script to commit to memory...put the ideas in your mind, and recall them according to the listener's stated needs.


  • Assert that M and F parts are nearly identical. Penis = clit, scrotum = labia, both sexes have nipples + plumbing for breasts
  • Assert that "sex" (what is between the legs) is not the same as "gender" (mind)
  • Quickly recount the tragedy of the early 1960's intersex child
  • Encourage trust and support of a transgendered person

Related links:

History of Intersex Surgery
*David Reimer

*The intersex child story I'd remembered obviously is lacking in accurate details, and I have provided a link to his biography on Wikipedia. Try to summarize it quickly in discussion, because most people have an attention span of about 30 seconds.

Hope this helps.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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CaptFido87

Wow beth. Someone has done her homework lol.

This was incredibly factious and helpful. Personally I didn't want to say anything in fear that they'd catch on. Also It was making me uncomfortable so it was just easier to slip out of there. I'll certainly try to remember this info for future conversations on the topic. 

I do recall reading somewhere that a penis and vagina has similar properties. Makes sense on how srs surgery is possible. I didn't know the mammaries part. So men do have underdeveloped breast tissue. I figured it was possible for men to lactate but wasn't sure how that worked.

Interesting info indeed. I do believe it is simply the fact that they don't have the knowledge of the topic. Also fear probably plays a big part in it too.

Thanks once again
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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cindy16

Beth Andrea has already given some great info, but here's something about that story from the 60s:

David Reimer was neither intersex nor trans, but a cis male. He lost his penis at eight months in a botched circumcision, and then underwent SRS at 18 months and was raised as a girl under the advice of a top psychologist of that time. As Beth said, he did not remember ever having a penis but still felt like a boy all his life, and after he was told the complete truth at 14, he 'transitioned' to his natal and actual gender.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090331071817/http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm has his full story. It is quite sad, but also a clear example of how someone cannot simply be made to believe that they are of one gender or another just by upbringing. Being cis or trans or of one gender or the other is neither a choice nor a mistake of one's own or one's parents or anything else, it is simply something we are born with. He was cis, but there is no reason why the same logic shouldn't apply to trans folk.
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