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Started by Mx Pippa, February 07, 2015, 07:46:20 AM

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Devlyn

Thank you, we have the SOC here and pdf files are awkward on my phone. https://www.susans.org/wiki/Standards_of_Care_for_Gender_Identity_Disorders

I've read the Standards pretty extensively, the word crossdresser is in them once. It states that some crossdresser, drag performers, and gender nonconforming people may be suffering from GD, indicating treatment.  But the GD diagnosis is still required as far as I can tell.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Rachel

Hi Devlyn Marie,

I am sorry many trans items are seen through transsexual filters. I understand your pain and wish I could do something to correct it. I agree supplements can supply and provide relief.

Respectfully ( I want to understand and mean no disrespect nor do I want to cause and displeasure) , if you say I want feminization, I want breasts, curves, and better skin. isn't that feeling unwell about you existing body? Would that not be GD? Regardless of how anyone labels you or another person, isn't what you are experiencing the feeling of unwell about you body? Shouldn't HRT be provided to provide relief?

hugs,

Cynthia




HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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Devlyn

Maybe you're right and I'm misreading my own feelings, or the definition of dysphoria. Here's how I feel: I don't hate anything about my body as it is. I am pleased with the changes I'm seeing. I'm not sure that would fly in a doctor's office.

I routinely faint during blood draws, have no insurance, and basically assert my right to not seek medical procedures. The anxiety I face before a doctor's visit is brutal. I prefer a natural approach using herbs anyway.

Truthfully, my pain comes from the unthinking words of others here. Hopefully if I keep fighting these battles, everyone will be able to express what they do without fear of being judged.

Hugs, Devlyn

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Rachel

Thank you Devlyn,

I think providing the context helps a lot. I will remember your expeiance when communicating with others.

I fully understand your perspective and I wish I could make it better.

I cleaned the PCP floor with my last blood draw (doing it again Monday) and the 1st IM training.

Hugs Cynthia.
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
  • skype:Rachel?call
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Jenna Marie

Devlyn : I am not at all trying to push you to do anything except what you want to do for yourself, first of all. But in case it matters to you, I felt much the same way about my body when I started HRT; I didn't hate anything about it, I just liked/wanted the changes more. (As time went on and everything else got closer to what I'd dreamed of, I began to hate the remaining male bits, but that was years later.) I think that if you wanted to call that dysphoria, you could, but of course you don't have to.

I also know of non-binary people having a much easier time of it under the SOC 7, including picking and choosing the medical treatments they want. My impression is that informed consent + informed providers + SOC 7 = much broader menu of possibilities in general.
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Devlyn

Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 07, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
Devlyn : I am not at all trying to push you to do anything except what you want to do for yourself, first of all. But in case it matters to you, I felt much the same way about my body when I started HRT; I didn't hate anything about it, I just liked/wanted the changes more. (As time went on and everything else got closer to what I'd dreamed of, I began to hate the remaining male bits, but that was years later.) I think that if you wanted to call that dysphoria, you could, but of course you don't have to.

I also know of non-binary people having a much easier time of it under the SOC 7, including picking and choosing the medical treatments they want. My impression is that informed consent + informed providers + SOC 7 = much broader menu of possibilities in general.

If you don't mind me asking, what were the communications between you and your provider like? How and why was a decision made for you to take hormones?  If those questions are too personal, how's the snow doing? We're getting some melting here.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Jenna Marie

Devlyn : Not too personal at all, but it's been a few years so I'm not sure about the precision of my memory anymore. :)  As I recall, she asked a bunch of questions about how I felt, and we talked about a lot of possibilities for what I could do or might want to do in the future. As time went on I became more and more certain that I wanted to start HRT, but to be clear, she was willing to write the letter/sign off on it on day 1 if I told her so. She said in the first session that she'd wait for me to tell her when I was ready, and in fact she did give me a letter well short of the 3 months' worth of sessions recommended by the SOC 6. The decision was definitely left up to me, though. She reiterated every time I saw her that she wasn't going to do more than rubber-stamp my choices, because I was "stable and well-informed and prepared for any potential consequences" (that I've quoted directly from the letter, which she emailed me so I still have it).  Now, admittedly, I found a fairly mellow and cooperative therapist, and she was walking the edge of what the SOC 6 recommended at that point. She did clarify later on that she judged me emotionally and psychologically healthy and prepared, with the implication that if she thought someone else was less so she would insist on more therapy before approving their letter. If that doesn't answer the questions you had in mind, I'll be happy to keep trying?

I was pretty clear that I considered myself on a path to transition, though, because I had significant social dysphoria even if not physical. So that part differs from your story as I understand it. (What we may have in common is that I wasn't sure I was "really trans" until AFTER I started HRT and realized I could never go back.) But she explicitly stated that she did not require a "real-life test" *or any immediate plans to socially transition* as a requirement for HRT. She had other patients who were doing low-dose HRT as effectively an antidepressant regimen or who wanted to do the "middle path" (apparently defined by them as living legally as male but cross-dressing and cross-living at least part-time outside of work). Between that and the fact that her own partner was non-binary and living publicly as an AMAB person on HRT but not female, it seemed clear that at least in this area it was possible to find medical providers willing to be flexible. Add to that the Fenway informed consent clinic that basically does a "sign this paperwork, we'll do blood tests, OK here's your HRT" method and I know quite a few people who didn't have to fit classic definitions of "transsexual with GD" to get treatment.  Which, honestly, is why I'm startled to hear that the SOC 7 might be more rigid than I've seen people living through...

(Snow is finally melting here, too!)
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Devlyn

Thank you, that's good information. <cue the inside joke if my boss sees this post!  :laugh:

Between the anxiety about needles, the needles themselves, and the money to pay for the needles that I don't have, I'll be sticking with supplements for now anyway. I see results,  and the one I use is a regulated substance, it just doesn't require a prescription. The purity and strength are verified.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Jenna Marie

Devlyn : Oh, heck, I almost passed out at the *mention* of injections. ;)  I hear you on the terror about needles!

Also, a regulated one is clearly a whole different animal. I didn't know there were any, but I'm hardly an expert - and obviously all my earlier caveats don't apply in that case.
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ThePhoenix

Re:  WPATH SOC 7

Bear in mind that WPATH can say whatever it wants.  That doesn't mean that doctors have to follow it.  The bigger influences on physicians are likely to be their own feelings and the feelings of their insurance carriers, especially when it comes to loosening restrictions on treatment. 

The reports I've seen seem to suggest that actual implementation of SOC 7 is lacking, and that many (no, not all) physicians are still requiring a therapist's letter and a GD diagnosis rather than allowing informed consent. 
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Eva

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 07, 2015, 03:36:41 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what were the communications between you and your provider like? How and why was a decision made for you to take hormones?  If those questions are too personal, how's the snow doing? We're getting some melting here.

Hugs, Devlyn

Hi Devlyn

I hope you dont mind me replying to this???

I started this journey with a similar mindset to yours... I used a very effective herbal regime for about three months and it felt more and more right as the changes occurred...  Like you I was scared to go to the doc because I wasn't sure at the time whether or not I wanted full transition, was just a TV/CD, not really TS ect... I made the decision to self med but while I was waiting for it to get here from overseas I decided to get a TS girl at a local TG support groups doctors info... I was scared and wanted to at least get blood tests and it helped at least knowing she had some experience with MtF HRT... I just set up an appointment and went in as an "andro guy"... I told her about all the herbal stuff I was on and my plans to self med HRT and asked for some baseline labs and if they were good could you just prescribe it and do my lab monitoring so I dont have to self med and do it safely??? She just asked a few questions like "do you want the surgery???".... At the time I wasnt sure at all so I just said I donno I just know I want to go off the herbal stuff and try the real thing... I did my labs and they were fine and a week later I was on legit HRT... No GD "diagnosis", not even informed consent, just a sympathetic GP doc ;) 

In time as things moved along I knew it was right for me and Ive never looked back ;D

Hope that helps and good luck!!!
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Devlyn

Thank you, that's helpful.  I've been getting a lot of good input in this and my other thread.

Hugs, Devlyn
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