Differences between cisgender and transgender breasts?

[Violet Bloom]

  I think my breasts look natural and great, and they feel natural and great too!  I'm thoroughly pleased with my development.  They do look slightly odd when going through a growth phase though because of the areolas puffing out.  I do find mine are just a touch too far apart for some bra cup spacings.  People might call them small but I would say that my bust measure has increased five inches since development started.  I was nearly ribs-flat before-hand so maybe that's why five inched gained doesn't actually look substantial.  My breast volume may very well be about the same as my mother's was until her pregnancies led to maturation.  I think they are actually shaped more attractively than hers (please don't tell her I said that!).  My nipples are not much changed which makes them easier to hide until I'm out full-time.  The areolas are slightly darker now.

under-bust: 34"
current bust measure: 40"
starting bust measure was: 35"
diameter of areolas: 1-1/2"
starting diameter was: 1" left, 1-1/8" right

  I read a statistic that average female areola diameter is 3.8cm or 1.5" so I'm spot-on average with 3/8" to 1/2" gain.  They can get much larger than this but it clearly is less common.  While I was looking it up one search suggestion that spit out of the search engine was "areola reduction surgery", so larger probably isn't considered desirable.  I don't really care if mine get any larger but they probably will as my breasts continue to fill out.  After 15 months on estrogen my breasts are still constantly hurting and going through little growth cycles.  Who knows, I might even end up larger than my mother's.  I'm 37 years old, BTW.

[Violet Bloom]

Yay!  This thread just became the "Most Popular Topic".

[Heather Exley]

Hi Shaun Sunshine,

I started HRT at 43. To begin with I was flat chested and my areola were about 10mm/ 3/8" in diameter. 14 months later that's now 40mm/ 1 7/16", the nipple has doubled in width and doubled in length. They have also become far more sensitive and somewhat playful ( being erect all the bloomin' time). My breast size is about 38A to 38B depending on my bra.

You take care Babe.

Luv & Hugs for the lot of you.

[katrinaw]

As in Randi's comment... Young breasts on older body frame... Love it...  just about where I am too 

I am B cup, but have small nipples and areolas 


L Katy

[Rudy King]

FYI: I'm IS.

I'm rather curious about the difference of breast development between IS, TG, and GG, since my body is female.  At my last checkup almost three months ago, I was at Tanner stage 4.  I've read somewhere that even girls with CAIS, have some issue with development, because of the Y chromosome.  And I've had small breasts since I was 10.   

[CHELLIE]

Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part   a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce Take care, Chellie

[katrinaw]

Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part   a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce Take care, Chellie

Am pretty sure I fit the 1 cup size smaller that my mother... But I never really knew, was not the sort of thing to ask her?

Inclined to agree with CIS girls all come in different shapes and sizes... But not sure that extends to aerola and small nipples... But?

L Katy

[Eva Marie]

Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part   a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce Take care, Chellie

I've heard that saying before about your mom and using what she had as a rough measure of what you can expect. My mom was a tall skinny beanpole with not much in the way of boobs but both of my grandmothers were short stocky ladies with large chests. I seem to have taken after my grandmothers as far as my build goes; I am 5'8" and I am built a little stocky; not tall and skinny like my mom. Hopefully my boobs will take after my grandmother's more than my mom's

I'm 52 and I know that I shouldn't expect as good of a result from HRT at my age as someone that's on HRT at a younger age, but regardless of that after less than 18 months on HRT things seem to be moving along very nicely. As I type this they are aching and itching 

[Violet Bloom]

  There's a really good illustrative website out there that shows the wide variation of breasts in an attempt to make all women feel normal and better about theirs:

www.007b.com

  It has lots of information and lots of volunteered photos.  Very useful, interesting and respectful presentation.  I suspect any transwoman can find their 'normal' there given the extreme range of look and size.  No indication is given as to whether or not any transwomen have actually submitted their own photos to the site. 

  There was one woman concerned about the spread of her breasts but her's were closer-spaced than a very large number of the others.  Wide spacing seems to be very common in cis women.  I also noted that my breasts are already larger than a number of the cis women featured there even though my development is not over.

[mac1]

I know that my wife will not agree with voluntary HRT but will be accepting of any changes that appear to be natural. I would like desperately to grow nice breasts. What can I do to grow nice breasts so that it will appear to be natural?

[RosieD]

Firstly, hiya little Miss Sunshine. It's lovely to see you back by this way.  You are sounding well.

Secondly, somewhere out on the deep, dark depths of the internet there is a website dedicated to showing the huge variety of shapes and sizes that boobs come in. Unfortunately I have lost the link and can't think of a search term that doesn't result in a load of unrelated nonsense. Suffice to say there is so much variation anyway that the possible differences between organically grown and medically assisted would disappear into the noise anyway.

Rosie

[Violet Bloom]

...there is a website dedicated to showing the huge variety of shapes and sizes that boobs come in. Unfortunately I have lost the link...

  Never fear, I already posted the link here earlier today.  See my previous post.

[RosieD]

  Never fear, I already posted the link here earlier today.  See my previous post.

Thank you Violet. That wasn't the website I remember but I feel it makes the point equally well. Boobs are probably another thing trans-women stress over far more than we need to. That whole "this is what a woman should look like" thing is a load of old nonsense. Unfortunately it is insidious nonsense that causes all kinds of damage but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

Rosie

[Ms Grace]

Shawn - you're only at four months, give it a bit more time. Like 12 to 18 months more time. Boobs are boobs. Nipples are nipples. The key differences for us as pointed out above is that we are growing them later and growing them on a masculinised frame. The combination of younger/newer boobs on a larger chest give the impression of smaller breasts. I'm sure my girls would seem relatively impressive on a petite 16 year old genetic female body. They're not so that's that. Many genetic women can have relatively small breasts until their twenties - I once knew a 40 year old woman with extremely naturally large breasts who said to me that she was very small breasted when she was 19 and that it wasn't until after she had her daughter that they started to balloon.

What can I do to grow nice breasts so that it will appear to be natural?

Sorry, hormones are really the only way this is going to naturally happen for you. Man boobs are largely just an accumulation of fat, unlike the breasts of genetic women (or trans women on HRT) which are composed of fat and glandular development... it is the estrogen that makes the mammary glands grow.

[Lady_Oracle]

Another point I would like to add is that, cis gals by the time they reach their 20s have had practically 10-12 years of estrogen being produced in their bodies. At preadolescence, they start producing tiny micro amounts of estrogen which leads to development of breast buds. So you can't really compare our breast development with theirs until you've been on estrogen for at least a decade imo, that is only you're on the best hrt regimen for your body. I'm one month shy of my 3 year mark and I'm still seeing changes with my breast shape and areola.

Oh yeah one more thing I'd like to say is that you also have to keep in mind that the first few years of hrt your body is going through a radical change of getting used to estrogen and changing the fat redistribution/losing muscle mass. Like for example you can't really get an accurate look of your bust until your body loses what muscle mass you have like in your back and sides, basically everything that isn't bone.

[Northern Jane]

I was on estrogen from age 17 and my breast development was acceptable but they  didn't really 'mature' until I did a course of progesterone in my 60s. Within a couple of months, the areolas became much larger and darker and the nipples became larger and more cylindrical as well as gaining 1/2 a cup size.

[Lady_Oracle]

Yeah I agree about the P. I think its important for proper development. I've been on progesterone since I started hrt and I still have yet to see another trans gal my age with similar breasts in terms of fullness and maturity. I'd be more than happy to show my boobs if it were allowed on this site I'm quite happy with them even though I do wish sometimes they were bigger. I don't come from a very busty family so its to be expected. I'm a 32b right now but the cup volume in that size is about the same as a 34a so technically I'm a full A cup size wise.

[JLT1]

Well,

I'm larger than my mother - buy 3 cup sizes.  I'm larger than my sister by one cup size.  My breasts went like a really fast developing cis-girl.

I got really lucky on that one......

Genetics is an interesting science...I'm not sure we can predict things. 

Jennifer

[katrinaw]

I was on estrogen from age 17 and my breast development was acceptable but they  didn't really 'mature' until I did a course of progesterone in my 60s. Within a couple of months, the areolas became much larger and darker and the nipples became larger and more cylindrical as well as gaining 1/2 a cup size.

Been on Progesterone for a few years now, limited change to my breasts, now also out of fifties and just into the next one  certainly no big change to Areolas and nipples not changed much... On E for over 10 years, I guess I've given up stressing over it now... It may it may not... But happy with what I have, oh so happy 

L Katy

[mac1]

Sorry, hormones are really the only way this is going to naturally happen for you. Man boobs are largely just an accumulation of fat, unlike the breasts of genetic women (or trans women on HRT) which are composed of fat and glandular development... it is the estrogen that makes the mammary glands grow.

Are there any natural sources for estrogen?