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Started by Hunter.Ian, February 22, 2015, 01:59:02 AM

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V M

All is forgiven  8)  Just keep in mind that some of us gals really just do not care for that term

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The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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- V M
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Julia-Madrid

Quote from: Hunter.Ian on February 22, 2015, 11:04:50 PM
And I have to say, you **folks** go through hell! I couldn't imagine what it must be like to not be comfortable in your own body. I tried imagining what I would feel like if I had a woman's body, and I couldn't even process the idea. 

Hunter, having edited your comment for previous sensitivities, and let me comment on how horrendous this feeling can be.  Some of us know from like 4-5 years of age that things are very wrong, and it becomes a terribly stressful thing psychologically for years and years.  Others of us realise at a later age, and then we go through our own hell to try to come to terms with it.  There are those of us who strongly suffer from dysphoria, and others for whom it's clearly there, but controllable to some extent.

I was in the latter category, but when I was around 25 I had a type of breakdown which gave me insight into how it must feel for the group that has had to live with it from very young.  Basically, for about two weeks I was totally consumed with the utter wrongness of my body and social role.  Every time a wave (tsunami) of gender dysphoria rolled it, I became utterly paralysed.  I was not who I needed to be, and I felt this so urgently that I would have been willing to do anything for it to stop.  Thankfully it stopped of its own accord after those two weeks, but it left me with the clear knowledge that I was going to have to return to it one day...

Regards
Julia
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AnonyMs

Hi Hunter,

have you thought that perhaps you're looking in the wrong place for answers? You feel bad about you your felt and reacted, but is getting to know transgender people a misdirection away from the real issue which is inside of you? If so, why would you do that?

I've experienced somewhat similar feelings on occasion, but reached a different conclusion. I may be wrong, but I've never felt the need to better understand people because I recognize the problem has nothing to do with them, its entirely me. I've felt disturbed though a lack of tolerance for example, but having thought about it I have become more tolerant in general - I recognize the feeling now, whatever the trigger, I know why I feel it, and if I can't help feeling it I can at least not act on it. I use intolerance as an example, but there's plenty of other possible reasons, such as an opposite, attraction.

You could perhaps think you've made progress with bettering yourself, without doing any such thing. You just got used to transgender people, but one day you'll be in a different situation and the same thing will happen again. The more you talk here the more you may be hiding the real issues from yourself.

I don't think you really said how you felt, except uncomfortable. There's so many ways and meanings to that. Did you explore it? You spent a lot of time describing everything else, but so little on that, and its so important. So again, are your focusing outward where you should be looking in?

I sense there's something missing from your story, but I can't work it out.
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Anna R

Quote from: Hunter.Ian on February 23, 2015, 01:54:46 AM
I do apologize for any offense I may have caused, I was not referring to you specifically as a guy. I was referring to the group as a whole.

eg: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20guys

If this is something people are going to generally find offensive, is there some other preferred gender neutral pronoun I should use? I'm thinking that saying you ladies might be equally as offensive to the ftm population? I don't want to inadvertently step on any toes, and it seems like this is a sensitive topic, so I'd rather just ask.

Sorry if I sounded touchy, wasn't offended at all, but the term guys  just doesn't sound right to me personally I  don't know how you can be gender neutral here but if addressing MTF'S   I  personally prefer Miss ,  the term guys may be all inclusive but if you were to say "All you girls " to a mixed gender group I could see a lot of males getting a bit upset?
but that's just me, cannot and would not assume to answer for someone else,
It's I suppose a really personal point and maybe others have a few ideas on this.
It is bad enough for me that my sweet family doctor calls me Sir and she really should know better.
Anna ;)
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Devlyn

We have members use "you guys" all the time and no one bats an eyelash, not a word is said. I think some of the replies in this thread are shameful, and not at all how we should be greeting newcomers.

Hugs, Devlyn
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V M

When I lived in Calif. everyone called each other (including females) 'Dude', some gals didn't like it, some spoke up, others just put up with it

Just because some people don't speak up for themselves doesn't mean that they approve or don't feel bothered

All I did was ask politely to not be referred to with what I consider the be a male term

Sorry if anyone has a problem with that
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Julia-Madrid

Folks,

I really think this thread is not serving as a positive example of how we should be dealing with an effort at outreach from somebody whose motivation appears to be genuinely motivated by wanting to learn more. 

I appreciate that we all have our personal sensitivities, but please can we stop harping on about the usage of a noun.  The OP has realised and already apologised a few times and nothing meaningful is going to be added by more of us giving another kick at it.

If Hunter hasn't yet abandoned this forum, how about we return some goodwill to this thread and invite new and hopefully positive contribution?

Sincerely
Julia

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V M

I had let go of it, but someone keeps drudging it up
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Devlyn

You did no wrong, my post was too strongly worded. We have a habit here of taking new members to task for minor things that others are allowed.  See exhibit A: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,183632.0.html I could find a thousand examples like this. Hunter is here to learn, and that's a good thing. Let's not teach him that there's a double standard is all I'm saying.

Hugs, Devlyn
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V M

I think Hunter is a good guy and would like to be able to help him out so I really don't understand what some other folks are trippin' on
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Devlyn

Quote from: V M on February 24, 2015, 08:03:15 AM
I think Hunter is a good guy and would like to be able to help him out so I really don't understand what some other folks are trippin' on

I'm sure anyone who you think is tripping would be happy to explain what you think they're tripping on if you ask them.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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