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(Part 1)"I'm not TRANS anything" (Part 2) Are TS's "brain damaged?"

Started by Teri Anne, December 23, 2005, 04:48:45 PM

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Northern Jane

"Brain damaged"? No way! "Body damaged" maybe!

One must consider which is the more important parts of a human being and draw their reference from the most important part (speaking as a scientist). Leaving aside any reference to the Spirit that inhabits the physical being, the BRAIN must be considered the major part of what makes a human. If the brain is female then the lesser part (the body) is the "damaged" part. To say otherwise would be to say that your wart has a growth on it because it is attached to a human being!

There is one thing I can say with 100% certainty, being 56, 32 years post-op and mostly stealth: my brain is in FINE shape, with no problems whatsoever! It is also a perfectly normal female brain and always has been (though that did not become evident until transition). Actually, it is a bit extraordinary in that it survived 24 years of horrible abuse without any neuroses or other abnormalities!


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Dennis

I too prefer the idea of "brain different" to "brain damaged". To take the analogy one step further (and hopefully not into the offensive), a racist society does not make dark skin "damaged" in comparison to lighter skin. It's just different and a negative value is placed on it by the racist society.

I think of myself as "man", purely and simply. Yes, I'm a guy with a different history. And I am physically different from most other men. But if I had a prosthetic leg instead of a prosthetic penis, I'd be different too. And some partners would not be able to handle either difference, so partners should obviously be advised. But Joe Sixpack at the bar doesn't need to know. And I don't need to define myself any differently to him.

Dennis
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stephanie_craxford

Quote from: Teri Anne on December 26, 2005, 02:46:37 AM
Hazamu, your post was VERY apropos for it led to Steph telling us important info about DES (a strong estrogen hormone, now banned). 

Steph - I was shocked when I read your post and then went to the CDC website.  As I read the info, I felt that it perhaps corroborated what I'd always suspected - that I'd gotten a spike of estrogen hormone while I was in the fetus and that made my brain different than my body.  Unfortunately, my mom's dead so I can't ask her any questions....  <snip>

Giving hormones to pregnant mothers?  Whaaaaat did they think would happen!?!

Teri Anne

The article in The Wikipedia gets a pretty good explanation of what went wrong but it was prescribed along the same lines that they administered Thalidomide in the 50s and 60s to pregnant women to alleviate morning sickness.  I've been trying to find out from my mom if she had been prescribed DES, but we're going back to 1952 now  :(

I don't believe that DES has been proven to affect the brains of the developing fetus but it is interesting.  This is a quote from "DES Action Canada":
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Intersexuality/Gender Dysphoria: Some researchers have recognized the potential that DES exposure in males may be a factor in the formation of ambiguous genitalia as well as other conditions associated with intersexuality and gender dysphoria in males.

Steph

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Terri-Gene

Teri,  As said by Dawn, As long as you have a legal claim to medical records of another individual, you are intitled to access them.  the proper methode, outside of a lawyer and the $$ to get them to write a letter explaining the request is to contact the medical records division of the hospital that has them and request a copy of the records with the reason for the request or need.  The actual department to contact directly is generally referred to as Medical Secretretaries.  They can explain the conditions you must meet in order to be eligible to receive this information and what it will cost to receive a copy.

This issue of wanting information about a particular drug is not and should not be relevant to anything about this request.  They would not be particularly worried about information about a particular drug which was FDA approved and commly distributed.  Any lawsuits in such matters is generally directed at the drug manufacturer, not the doctor or hospital who used it under FDA approval.

As to the inportance of an individual researching a possibility of a particular drug having been responsible for a personal condition, I see little reason for unless they are attempting a class action lawsuit against the manufacturer or for simple public information, but even knowing or having information as to why one is transsexual is basically not revalant in any way as long as no cure, short of SRS is available to correct the condition, though if one had a lot of money and good lawyers it might force the manufacturer to pay or reimburse a transsexual the cost of SRS and for the disruptive influences on thier life, but lawsuits of any kind would depend on first proving in court that the drug did indead, above any other cause create the transsexual problem.

Unless there is some possibility of compensation I for one would not care How or Why my Transsexual condition exists.  It just IS and I have to live with all it has made of my life and nothing can change that, not even vast amounts of money, not that I got anything against money.

It would be a worthwhile endever to research though in regards to showing a connection between the drug and transsexualism as making this a statistical record and fact is the beginning of any possible class action law suit against the manufacturer, but as Dennis is the lawyer, he could be more intelligently specific about such things.

Terri
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Dennis

Quoteas Dennis is the lawyer, she could be more intelligently specific about such things.

That a typo or a compliment, Terri?

:P

Dennis
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stephanie_craxford

Quote from: terri-geneAs to the inportance of an individual researching a possibility of a particular drug having been responsible for a personal condition, I see little reason for unless they are attempting a class action lawsuit against the manufacturer or for simple public information, but even knowing or having information as to why one is transsexual is basically not revalant in any way as long as no cure, short of SRS is available to correct the condition, though if one had a lot of money and good lawyers it might force the manufacturer to pay or reimburse a transsexual the cost of SRS and for the disruptive influences on thier life, but lawsuits of any kind would depend on first proving in court that the drug did indead, above any other cause create the transsexual problem.

How about general interest!  As you've mentioned while there is little that anyone can do about it now, I'm just interested in the subject the same way that I'm interested in what my father died of two years ago.  There is nothing I can do about it but it would still be nice to know it was something hereditary.  Just call me curious.  :)

Steph
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Terri-Gene

dun know Dennis, but I never was a spelling genius, but my oppologies for a serious mistake, it was nothing I was thinking, just the effect of getting out of bed with no coffee made and thinking I was thinking.  You can hit me with my old brick when/if you see me again.  I deserve it.  I edited it though once I realized how mistakenly I wrote it in your highlight quote.

oppologies are insufficient,

Terri
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Terri-Gene

QuoteThere is nothing I can do about it but it would still be nice to know it was something hereditary.  Just call me curious. 

Steph

You are right Steph, there is nothing you can do about it but as to

QuoteHow about general interest!

I believe I included that when I also stated:

QuoteIt would be a worthwhile endever to research though in regards to showing a connection between the drug and transsexualism as making this a statistical record and fact is the beginning of any possible class action law suit against the manufacturer,

I guess I should have also stated for self interest also, that kind of slipped by though because like I also stated, in my mind such self interest as to why isn't relevant since I can do nothing about it.

Besides Steph, according to the expert opinions it either is hereditary due to developmental abnormalties or environmentally created?   Both expainations may be true depending on the individual, but regardless, if it has progressed in the mind to the extent of being irreversable, and you are what you are, would it make you any more at ease with yourself to know exactly what happened to cause it if there is nothing that can be done at this point about it other then completely accept it and do what has to be done to live with it? 

Terri
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Hazumu

"Drain Bamaged"?  As I said before, I'm me.  I will be me through my transition, and I will still be 'me', although likely changed, if I'm successful at transiting.  I've always been comfortable being me, and if a shot of synthetic estrogen in the womb nudged my brain over into the 'female' column -- well I'm (finally) following that path, and Hallelujah that 21st century medicine can correct the mistakes of 20th century medicine.

Thanks for all the bits of info on resurrecting medical records.  Both for my sake and my sisters' sakes I think we (my sisters and I) should try to track this down and see what mom was given to take while pregnant with each of us.

It might also answer the cryptic remark my mom made to me in the month or so before her sudden death, "Thank god you seemed to have turned out all right..."

As another bit of fodder to this thread, there does seem to be a statistical 'bump' in the number of people claiming GID who were born during the height of DES usage.  Is it due to better recordkeeping, advancement of the medical arts to diagnose and treat GID, or due directly to the usage of DES?  I'll leave the task of answering that question to the staticians.
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Teri Anne

Steph, you wrote, "How about general interest!  As you've mentioned while there is little that anyone can do about it now, I'm just interested in the subject the same way that I'm interested in what my father died of two years ago.  There is nothing I can do about it but it would still be nice to know it was something hereditary.  Just call me curious."

Steph and Terri - Put me in the column of "very interested," also.  Though I know that there are plenty of TS's that would rather NOT know what caused it, I am definitely the opposite: (1) It would "legitemize" my need to transition to society - I'm sure that many think that we transition for something as frivolous as wanting to wear different clothing.  (2) It would give me a sense of closure - kind of like a family finally finding out what happened to a missing daughter.

Steph, your quote from DES Action Canada was fascinating: "Intersexuality/Gender Dysphoria: Some researchers have recognized the potential that DES exposure in males may be a factor in the formation of ambiguous genitalia as well as other conditions associated with intersexuality and gender dysphoria in males."

Wow.  Thanks, Steph.

Teri Anne
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Dennis

Quote from: Terri Gene on December 26, 2005, 06:47:50 PM
dun know Dennis, but I never was a spelling genius, but my oppologies for a serious mistake, it was nothing I was thinking, just the effect of getting out of bed with no coffee made and thinking I was thinking.  You can hit me with my old brick when/if you see me again.  I deserve it.  I edited it though once I realized how mistakenly I wrote it in your highlight quote.

oppologies are insufficient,

Terri

Oh, bah, no worries. I thought maybe it was that I was thinking exceptionally clearly for a male, so your mind unconsciously used a female pronoun ;)

Just teasin ya Terri.

Dennis
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