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Questioning decision. Would I turn back time?

Started by pollypagan, March 15, 2015, 05:30:58 AM

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pollypagan

With increasingly dark and morbid concern am I reflecting on the wisdom of my "transition". With the two year point on Oestrogen rapidly approaching, virtually no physical change having occurred; not to my face, hair or fat distribution, combined with negligible breast growth and a strikingly stubborn male voice. What I have done though is tell countless friends and family about what I am doing and this information will have diffused to hundreds more. So what next? Do I quite incongruously and awkwardly see out my life as a male while ludicrously trying to present as female; or just quit and ease back into the "normality" and former emotional discomfort knowing that much of what I culturally and socially once was is now irreversibly destroyed, and hope a few hundred people forget about my failed venture?
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Cindy

You have to make your own call.

Keep going Sis :-*
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ChiGirl

Sounds like you already know.  Hormones don't affect everyone the same.  There are non-hormonal treatments for the face, hair, fat distribution and voice.  It may not always be cheap, but little is impossible. 

Follow your heart.  Good luck and hugs!
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Wild Flower

Damnn.... thats a cross to carry. Im sorry about your situation.

Have you tried spiro?
"Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves all he gets."
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Miyuki

I'm sorry to hear things haven't been going well for you... I know transitioning is hard at any age, but being someone who is transitioning in my 20's I'm not sure how helpful I can be in terms of advice. I did want to mention though, I read some of your old posts to try and get some context, and I noticed you had mentioned you were taking Sandrena. I was using Sandrena too, when I was semi-self-medicating, and my physical changes on it were fairly subtle. At the time that was a good thing, since I hadn't yet decided if I wanted to fully transition. But when I did finally decide I wanted to, I started using patches instead. Switching to patches didn't magically make me a super model, but I have noticed my overall appearance has become noticeably more feminine since I switched. I'm not even sure if patches are the best thing, but they worked better than gel at least. I also hear injections give the best results for some, so that might be something to look into. Other than that, what were your levels the last time you were tested? Have they been staying in a good range, or have they been running on the low side? Some people just need higher levels than others to experience the maximum benefit from HRT, so levels that work well even for most people might not be enough for you.
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Ms Grace

Some twenty years ago I was in a situation that sounds very much like the one you are currently in. So I understand, it is a very tough place to be in. I had been on estrogens and anti-androgens for two years, believed I had achieved very little by way changes to appearance, breast growth, etc and that I was not passable. I had told many people and the news had proliferated along the grapevine so that many others knew. I believed that I wasn't passable when in fact, even presenting as male, I was starting to confuse people. Regardless, the process wasn't working for me for a lot of reasons - I didn't have the right kind of professional support, I thought I had realistic expectations and that they weren't being met anyway, I probably wasn't on the right kind/combination of HRT and I was unwilling to accept myself as trans or open up about it to my shrink. So I just decided to stop. If you do choose to do this please do it with proper medical supervision, don't do it cold turkey - I did this and paid the consequences physically and emotionally for about a month. I picked up my life in guy mode and tried to pretend that obviously I had been wrong about being trans and that if I just got back to "being a guy" then everything would be alright. It worked for a while but I knew I still wanted to live my life as a woman and started to sink, spiral, into depression. Here I am, twenty years later, and I tried it again and succeeded with transition this time. Basically we do this when we are ready for it. If you don't feel it is working for you, if you feel there is another way you can be at peace with your gender issues then please pursue them. Have you spoken to your therapist and your endocrinologist about your concerns and how you might be able to work around these issues? If you still feel, regardless of what you believe about progress on your current journey, that you want to live your life as a woman I strongly recommend you at least give that a go before you call a halt to your transition.
Grace
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JoanneB

Having worked in the medical device world along side of doctors, I have a very through lack of faith in them. Trust but Verify. Do your homework, it is your body, your life. Ask plenty of questions and don't be afraid to challenge their approach if you feel it isn't really working. While YMMV is the law of the land with HRT the secondary sex characteristics will not occur if your T is way high or E is way low.

Unfortunately there are no universal standard. Endos range from super cautious to aggressive. Some check all hormones, some none.

BTW - HRT will not do much for voice. Only lots of practice and training. If you're a big person with a naturally deep male voice to start with the simple honest truth is there is likely no chance of obtaining a typical female range, only the lower end of the spectrum. I fall into that catagory having a deep voice since like 12 y/o. I do the best I can and always go with a clear unambiguous female presentation which helps a lot
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pollypagan

What a truly humbling place this is. Were that my self pity was the inverse reciprocal of your compassion. A vignette if I may. I was sitting in a train at a station months after feminizing eye surgery, before that nose re-shaping and two years earlier still a hair transplant. I had on make up, my shoulder length hair was styled, wearing jewelery and a woman's top. Someone who hadn't seen me since before all this when I still had short receding hair, waved and smiled in the window at me and shouted  my name. Kind of says it all really. Ah well.
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CB

Changes don't stop at two years, they come and go for a lot longer. What concerns me though is that you report no physical changes at all. This seems very odd. What do your blood levels say? This is something to be discussed with your doctor at the Gender Clinic or endochronologist.

Discouraging as it is don't give up.  :)
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Rachel

Sometimes people who have know us prior to hormones, surgery and expressing can see us as out past selves. Strangers are a better guide.

2 years may not be enough time so more time may increase feminization.

I the end, you need to be happy with yourself.

I for one do not want to know what would happen to me mentally if I went off HRT.

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April_TO

I have to second this, thanks Cynthia.

For people that knew you prior to HRT and FFS, I believe if not most of them can still identify you. Unless, you really had a drastic cosmetic surgery.
However, this doesn't translate to the lack of progress you've made over the last 2 years. And as what Cynthia said, strangers would be your best bet to measure this change.

A few weeks ago, I was so convinced that I didn't look feminine enough and that I have to use the men's washroom again. Trust me, the stares and the weird looks I get from men were funny. Thats when it clicked to me, that what I think about my appearance and how the world sees me is completely disconnected.

Please think about detransitioning seriously with open eyes, with a new feminized eyes and nose - please do not take offence. I think it's going to look weirder if you go back to being a guy. You will have this feminized face presenting as a guy - I believe that's even harder.

However, we love you no matter what your decision is. Be strong and Stay beautiful.

xoxo

April

Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on March 15, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
Sometimes people who have know us prior to hormones, surgery and expressing can see us as out past selves. Strangers are a better guide.

2 years may not be enough time so more time may increase feminization.

I the end, you need to be happy with yourself.

I for one do not want to know what would happen to me mentally if I went off HRT.
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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pollypagan

Thank you all. Really. I wish I could do a quick Star Trek beam round the world and hug you all. I will keep going. I remember all too well how I felt before hrt. (My blood readings are fine and within spec' by the way) I'm not jealous of the magical long journey on which many of you have gone and I was most certainly aware at the outset of the mantra YMMV. I just wish I could get the car started. Anyway, I'm going out to clear leaves on this crisp Scottish morning; after I've done my hair of course and put on a wee touch of make-up. Standards and all that.  <3 <3
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anjaq

Well - COULD you "go back to presenting male"? Is that really an option?

I usually am a fan of having hormone treatment before an all out outing to everyone and changing everyday presentation - psychs sometimes think hormones are the "irreversible" change that would make the whole thing definite - but I think it is actually the moment one is in the "RLE" - this is more irreversible than hormones.

That said - assuming that the answer to the first question is "No", maybe there is a chance to vary your hormone therapy. The standard of Estradiol Tablets plus Spiro or Androcur does not seem to work well for everyone (or even for many). So if  you had the same therapy for 2 yeras, maybe change it? If it does not work - some people in some countries I was told rely more on surgeries than on hormones to get the changes they need to feel good.

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