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My Niece unfriended me on facebook and now won't talk to me. Here is what happen

Started by Shawn Sunshine, March 15, 2015, 09:44:33 PM

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Shawn Sunshine

Quote from: KyleeKrow on March 16, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
that's...pretty....yah...:-\ and i wouldn't really consider myself a christian, but i know that i have read quite a few pro-trans quotes from the bible, so they are out there. i was trying to find some good ones that i had read before but instead i found this and thought it just kinda rang out to me.

1 Samuel 16:7:
"... the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart."
:angel:  I have one that makes sense, theres even a book out there about it, now while it does start out talking about divorce and marriage just before and some argue it has nothing to do with being transgender or intersex. I personally think it does.

Matthew 19:12
QuoteFor there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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Shawn Sunshine

Quote from: naomi599 on March 16, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
I find the people are generally taught to fear and hate the unknown. Its a defense mechanism for people that have a hard time with change. I noticed it makes no difference whether its from the Christian church or other sources, people will always find something to hide behind to shield themselves from change especially if it directly effects them.

Yeah I was denied an apartment from room mates (potential) when they discovered I was lgbt but also Christian at the same time.
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cindianna_jones

I went through all of that from dozens of people and was publicly humiliated and excommunicated from the Mormon church.

But keeping religion out of it, ask her if she has her ears pierced? Is that okay. If that is okay, then is it okay to remove a cataract and replace it with an artificial lense? If that is okay, how about fixing a hairlip? Just trundle down the road to where she sees that at least some of God's handiwork got messed up, and sometimes we do it to ourselves for mere decorations.

I know how badly this feels... and you actually have physical issues that must be addressed! Truly, I don't understand why someone can't see intersected people as having a problem they feel must be resolved.

Chin up.
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Rachel

Hi Swan,

I am sorry some of your family are intolerant, hugs.

You must be hurting and you must love your niece very much. You have displayed patience and understanding and are a good uncle.

Perhaps your niece will have an opportunity to experience life in another, more diverse, location.

Some day you and she may become close again.

Sorry for your pain.
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Shawn the amount of patience you have had in dealing with your niece is incredible and I admire that a lot. I'm sorry that this happened between you and her and I can only hope some day she will see the light. People often like to use different things including religion as a crutch when dealing with things they don't understand or don't feel comfortable dealing with. My previous primary care doctor used it as a reason to say he wasn't comfortable himself prescribing the treatment I needed, but instead handed me off to someone who would. I truly feel and believe it does come down to what's in a heart anyway. Our dealing with are gender issues that have resulted from our being Transgendered, inter-esexed or some combination there of is what is allowing us to be truthful before God and to ourselves. Hugs
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Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on March 16, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
Do you mind if i quote these to her? It is very good logic. Not that it will necessarily help as she has the bible belt goggles on and its foggy outside.

That is why I posted it.  Good Luck. 

I am having to deal with this issue with some of my own family.  I will just keep repeating its a medical issue not a religious one.  If they get, great.  If they can't, then they will be the one to lose.  I am a very unique and special individual that they will lose that from their life.  While I will be sad for them, I cannot let that keep me from moving forward.   
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Jill F

That's really sad.

Shawn, has your niece read Leviticus and Deuteronomy in their entirety?  Does she follow both of those books to the letter?

I honestly don't think I've ever met anyone who does.   I also don't remember the part of the Bible where Jesus said, "Thou shalt not be intersex."
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Shawn Sunshine

Quote from: Jill F on March 16, 2015, 08:13:19 PM
That's really sad.

Shawn, has your niece read Leviticus and Deuteronomy in their entirety?  Does she follow both of those books to the letter?

I honestly don't think I've ever met anyone who does.   I also don't remember the part of the Bible where Jesus said, "Thou shalt not be intersex."

She has more book smarts than me in regards to the Bible so yes I am sure, as her mom and grandma on that side homeschooled her and taught only church of Christ things.
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IdontEven

Well it seems likely her religious views are acting to reinforce her phobic views which reinforce her religious views. Some people you just can't reach. If you're bound and determined to try though perhaps try the Jesus angle.

His entire message in the New Testament, the one that was the new covenant between man and god as far as I understand it, the one that replaced the old testament as being no longer relevant for CHRISTians, was one of love and acceptance. Turn the other cheek replaced an eye for an eye. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" was said to a crowd preparing to stone a grievous sinner. I believe that was an adulterer they were going to stone, because that was the OLD law. He spent his time with prostitutes and the other dregs of society, showing them love and compassion and acceptance. Because nobody is perfect compared to him, we're all equally flawed. Basically the entire point of everything Jesus said was to not act like a ****. Spread love not hate. He was the biggest pacifist hippy ever.

Anyways, I've yet to hear a good explanation for how a Christian can judge you when they're specifically told to not do that. And judging is exactly what they're doing when they say they can't interact with you anymore because of some sin you've supposedly committed. "Hate the sin but love the sinner" is just plain wrong according to the new testament. More so when they exclude you from their lives for it, or chastise you in any way. Your sins are between you, your chosen clergyman, and god. They're nobody else's business. Not that I feel this stuff makes you a sinner, but she obviously does so I'm speaking to that.

If it really comes down to a book fight where you're quoting scriptures at one another, if my memory serves me (and it has been a while since I've picked up that particular weighty tome) you should be able to quote just about any of the red text back to her. Though, and this is a big digression, I really don't believe it will do any good. No matter how many quotations you match or exceed her with she probably won't change her mind just from a conversation with you. In fact there are studies that say the more you try to change someone's mind the more firmly set in their beliefs they become. For all things, not just religious views. What's more, she's quite likely just using religion to further her own phobic views. You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.

So while a head to head argument may just cause her to dig in I've found that often if you can make one really good and succinct point (unlike this post, so sorry!), one earnest emotional plea, then you'll sow seeds that eventually yield understanding as they think on it over time. Perhaps a simple plea for love and acceptance regardless of whatever sin she's judging you for would work best. Tug at the heart strings. Because that's what it's supposed to be all about. The love.

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