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Started by kmartin311, April 04, 2015, 09:16:53 PM

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kmartin311

OK.   I am a 30 year old mother of two.  I have Parker (female) age 3 and Colton (male) age 1.  Actually I joined becuase of my three year old.  For about 6 months she has been telling me she is a boy.  She gets very irritated if anyone argues with her.  She refuses to wear girl clothes or have anything to do with female identifying things.  She won't even play with girls.  At first I attributed it to having a new brother.  But I think it goes deeper than that.  Let me also explain I am fine with that.  Even though I am a Christian I am also liberal and do not judge when it comes to this.  I think God made her this way and I love her regardless.  The problems I have is getting everyone else on board...  First off my husband, who I believe I will be divorcing soon (many other issues there) but he is just ignorant and told her the other day he didn't like that homosexual crap and she was his little girl.  If she wanted to be a tomboy fine but she isn't a boy.  It really makes me mad when he says stupid stuff like that... Or tells me I am making my son a "->-bleeped-<-" because he is a momma's boy etc.  Then there is my mother who is a very consersative Christian and makes ignorant comments about it when she says she is a boy and tries to argue with her.  I finally got upset with her today and said listen if you can't just ignore it right now then you don't need to be around her.  Because as of right now I am trying to tell everyone please just ignore it and don't argue with her she just gets upset.  I just tell her ok when she says when I grow up I will be a big boy.  I want to fully support her, but I am so scared for her as she gets older as I live in a small town in the midwest.  Both sides of our family are very conservative.  I don't even know if I am posting this in the right place but I have been searching for a place to get some advice from people that have been there on either side of this.  I just want to help my daughter/son be ok with what she is going through and know how to explain to other people as well.  Thanks in advance.
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Devlyn

Hi K, big hug and welcome to Susan's Place! Wow! You're doing the right things in regards to Parker, you're a great mom! I'm not a parent, but you'll get plenty of good advice really soon, I promise. Thanks for coming to us. See you around the site!

Hugs, Devlyn

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Mariah

Hi Kmartin311, welcome to Susans. It's wonderful that you came her for advice to help support your son. I agree they shouldn't argue with him over it, I'm sure others will chime in with more. I look forward to seeing you around the site. Good luck
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Lady Smith

Is your husband able to walk and chew gum at the same time? - something tells me that he might have difficulty with that.  I apologise for being insulting, but at three years old children speak straight and openly from the heart and know nothing about making 'life choices', let alone know what 'homosexual crap' might be.  All a child of that age knows is that daddy is yelling at them and making them scared.
As for that 'momma's boy' stuff don't get me started. Your son is only 1 year old for pity's sake.

Something I'm very sure about is that Christ did not intend any faith founded in His name to be used as a blunt instrument to beat people with and make them miserable.  If that's what conservative Christianity is about I'm very glad I'm not one.  Plainly you love your children very much and you want what's best for them and not what other people think is 'best'; - that is the most important thing and it's a good guiding principle for being a parent.  My two children are now 28 and 30 by the way.

I'll keep you in my prayers and if you want to ask anything just PM me.
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Ms Grace

Hi K

Welcome to Susan's :) Great to have you here - looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

It is a difficult if not interesting situation you find yourself in. I think many trans people probably started expressing their identified gender around the age Parker is, but social norms and rules meant that everyone around us pretty much told us to "stop that nonsense"...much like your mother and husband are doing now. It's no wonder so many trans people grow up not understanding why they are "wrong". Your perception and open mindedness gives you the opportunity to be on the front foot here. To be honest I can give you no specific advice for your situation but hopefully other members with similar experience can.

Please check out the following links for general site info...


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kmartin311

Thank you so much everyone.  I am sitting here crying just reading these responses because I feel like such a weight has been lifted just knowing I finally found somewhere that people understand and do not judge.  I love my kids very very much and all I want is for them to be happy and healthy.  Lady Smith do not feel like you were insulting at all.  He is a jerk. (my husband) Hence the hopefully soon to come divorce.  I have been a sahm since I had my oldest and I am trying to go back to school again, was going to try and stay with him until I can get finished with school and financially be able support me and the kids but I cannot take the emotional abuse anymore and am trying to figure out a way to get out of here sooner than later and hopefully raise my kids in a more nurturing environment.

I feel very new to this community as far as knowing exactly where Parker might fit in and where I would be able to find more resources to help make her feel more comfortable in her identity.  I wondered if anyone else knew as early as age 2 that they were transgender?  I have been reading online some different information and it doesn't seem too out of the ordinary, I just wonder from those who have been in Parker's shoes what things I can do to help her because I cant imagine how confusing it must be.
And from my side how I can tell people to back off of her.  My sister in law is a pediatrician and I brought this up about a month ago, thinking she was going to tell me this was just a phase a lot of kids go through and she explained gender dysphoria to me and said sometimes kids outgrow it but many times they don't and its fine.  I told her I was concerned because her mother kept telling me I needed to get a handle on it and constantly shoves really girly stuff down Parker;s throat (mind you I am not a frilly type woman either) and she said she would talk to her.  So I am hoping my mother in law will back off but how to handle my mom I don't know.  Like I said she is so ignorant about anything LGBT.  She uses derogatory words and I usually just have to tell her to be quiet. 
Once again thanks so much for support.  I look forward to getting to know more about all of you and this community!
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Ms Grace

It is common to have an early understanding of one's gender identity not matching the one assigned at birth. You will find many who say they knew at age four, give or take. Those that don't may simply not remember or had the notion "beaten out" of them at an earlier age and all they were left with was confusion and uncertainty. For myself I remember hating being a boy from as young as four or five and wishing I wasnt one. I always preferred girls as friends but I didnt (as far as I can remember) express that I thought I was a girl (unless I did when I was younger and got put in my place quick smart - I learned pretty quickly to drop or keep secret things my parents didn't approve of).
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Beatriz

It's very moving to see a mother doing the right thing, trying to understand their child rather than just rejecting them. Rest assured that you're doing the right thing, and that you're acting in your child's best interest, potentially avoiding many years of trauma or even suicide! I share Lady Smith's view, as well as the opinion of everyone here.

There's a section named Significant Others in the forums, you might want to check it out, as it has many people in a situation similar to yours one way or another. ;)

Susan's Place's wiki also has a lot of great information available. This web resource has many interesting links specifically aimed at significant others, too, but some might not be directly related to your child's case.

As Ms. Grace pointed out, it's common to have a very early understanding of one's gender identity. It's not a norm, as in not everyone sees it so clearly from such an early age: for me, for example, I knew something about my gender was very wrong since I was around 5, but feared too much that trying to understand myself better would lead to strong rejection from the people around me. Because of that avoidance, I only really understood I was transgender at age 16.



Since your child is very young, you might want to exercise caution for a while, as they need more time to understand themselves better. There's a strong possibility your child is not actually a girl from what you said, but you can't be sure of anything in such a short time span. A gender specialist (as in not someone who will "heal" your child, but who'll help with understanding) would be very helpful if you have the money for it and depending on where you live, but otherwise your best bet is researching and asking for help, which is exactly what you're doing right now.

Careful with researching online, of course. The internet is a very powerful tool, but there are many strongly biased opinions about the subject. Be especially careful with media reports, as those tend to be sensationalist more often than not. Talking to other transgender people and asking for information and/or helpful links from then might be your best resort online, in fact. No "doctor" knows nearly as much as they think they do about transgender issues, because not only have they never been through any of it, they often fail to consider our perspective at all.

(E.g.: most pediatrists will tell you that it's most likely only a phase, most psychologists would try to "heal" your child out of it, etc  :()

Take special note of if your child has any behavior that'd be expected only of a trans boy (a boy that feels trapped in the body of a girl), rather than of a boyish girl. For example, they might play "peeing while standing up" with a water gun or something similar when they get a little older. It's a random example, I just mentioned it since I personally know a trans man who used to occasionally play in such a way! :D

Let your child be happy as they wish. If anything, if they really turn out to be transgender, puberty and the subsequent body changes could bring them GREAT suffering and heavily complicate their life later on. This is entirely avoidable, as it's possible both to delay puberty itself until your child has time to decide and switch your child's puberty with a male one (irreversibly so, meaning you two very much need the time to decide). Both are done with a specialist's aid.

Delaying puberty in itself could bring some risks, such as possible infertility. It's nothing that'll bring nearly as much complication and suffering to your child's happiness as letting they have their puberty developmental changes if they are transgender, but it's something to consider.



All in all, both of you most likely have a very rough time ahead of you. People are not only very badly informed and closed-minded, they also often refuse to accept any information or insight you offer at all, instead choosing to shove whatever they take as truth down other people's throats.

But do go on. If your child is truly transgender, they'll never be happy living as anyone but themselves. And God certainly didn't make anyone just so that they could wear a mask and live by lying to everyone the rest of their lives.

It is a great, great blessing to your child to have a mother such as you.

PS: I was really surprised about your sister-in-law as well, her information seems great for the most part (which is rare) :o

If you ask me, if a kid ever "outgrew" gender dysphoria then it was most likely not gender dysphoria at all, it's not something you can conveniently change your gender identity for just because it brings you suffering. But just the part where your sister-in-law tells you that it's fine for your kid to be who they are... I wish society was more like that.
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adrian

Hey K,

I just wanted to say thank you for coming here in support of your child -- you are a great Mom! I'm sorry that the situation with your husband and family is so difficult.

As far as I know our gender identity has already formed by the age of two, so it's absolutely possible that Parker knew at that time.

Is there any way for you to connect with other parents of trans* children in your area, to get some real life support? Also, there are some great blogs out there (look for Gender Mom or Raising my Rainbow -- they both have children assigned male at birth, but I'm sure there are links to other blogs as well).

And, yes, it is possible that this is a phase and that it will pass -- but if it doesn't (Parker does sound very firm and consistent in voicing his gender) Parker will be able to lead a good and "normal" life if he has your support. ("normal" in quotes because what is normal anyway :)).
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V M

Hi Kmartin  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

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Rachel

Hi Kmartin,

Welcome to Susan's place. You are among friends that want to help you and your child.

A lot of us have memories branded when we came out to our parents at a very young age and were meet with physical, mental and emotional distress. Sometimes those emotions show through.

Sexuality does not express at a young age it is pure and simple gender. Love your son and seek out help from a gender therapist. Where I have my PCP is a LGBT multiservice facility. Where I have group they have the legal and therapy departments on that floor. I see parents with their your children, helping them to understand and be themselves. Every week I smile at the parents and think how wonderful they are.

In Philadelphia the largest trans health conference in the world occurs. This year it is June 4,5 and 6th. There is a youth section which is sequestered from the main conference and specific to them. The workers and volunteers are fingerprinted and have background checks (it is very safe). I am doing my training and security clearance work this Thursday for the conference (youth section). If you can see if you can attend with your children. There will be hundreds of children and 5,000 young and older trans at the conference. The bonds you form there will last a very long time and help you and your children. The conference is free.

I wish you and your children all the best,

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