2 Years post op with Suporn, terrible, where do I turn to now?

[Lunasol]

I had my SRS with Suporn at 19, I'm 21 now. From day 1, I knew the the appearance was botched. The right labia minora is slightly flipped out. He didn't try to fix it before I left, isn't this something he should notice? The whole labia minora are not flaps of skin but two clumps of flesh. The clitoral hood doesn't look like a clitoral hood; essentially the stem of a penis, lot's of erectile tissue left and doesn't look remotely like anything promised. I started off with 8 inches and lost 3 within the first week and a half. Every morning, I discovered a few cm were gone. Big unsightly scars too, I even had a guy walk out on me in bed seeing the scars. I really hoped each month, the swelling would die down. Since month 3, the look never changed beyond.

Since it looks monstrous down there after a year and a half, I went back to get a revision. He has the gall to pretend to not notice what's wrong and asked me "what's the problem?" The photos he showed and promised, nothing alike. He makes a bunch of excuses to try and deter me then finally reluctantly did some revision. He cuts out some of the excessive amount of flesh left in the labia minora. Still, he has no heart to correct the clitoral hood, despite clearly explaining everything, and does a half assed job at the revision. Half a year post-revision, still looks ghastly. How can you mistake flabs of skin with huge clumps of flesh?
The erectile tissue left EVERYWHERE is also absolutely disgusting, if I wanted a penis, I would've kept it...

2 years also. The boob job was also disappointing. Uneven sides, loss of sensation and, just hard. The consultation was not done with care; I asked him for recommendations and what to look out for, all he told me was "um maybe 300cc or w/e, up to you." Shouldn't the surgeon recommend you something based on your state?

I'm looking for another SRS surgeon to fix the appearance at least, I hope it's possible; do techniques used clash?

I am really upset at the results and his general uncaring attitude. I'm saying this because I don't want anyone to have their time and money wasted. He is also very secretive about his stuff, I can barely find anything on him besides what's posted on his site.

This is a cry for help... I don't know what to do...
I'm really at my last straw. I didn't do all of this just so I could continue to not function as a woman. I've seriously considered ending myself.
I don't mind sharing a pic... Maybe it's not so bad in your eyes?

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I don't know much about Suporn's technique. I've heard similar complaints before about too much erectile tissue (reference https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,98958.0.html). I've also heard there is a surgeon named Miroslav Djordjevic who practices in Belgrade, Serbia who has been known to correct some of the issues that arise from Suporn's technique. I don't know any of this for sure - it's all word of mouth - so I can't recommend anything, but it's something you can look into.

[Rejennyrated]

Hello – I'll try and help but the sad fact is that talking about different surgeons can be a bit of an inflammatory subject because of course everyone likes to think their own is/was the best. I nearly got run out of town a few years ago when I dared to question the myth that a certain surgeon was infallible.

As someone who is now training in medicine I've seen from the other side that while surgeons do differ in approach and ability, they all have their strengths and weaknesses and just as important they all do their best.

Fortunately for you one of the things that gives almost all of them a big buzz is fixing someone else's mishap, so you won't find a shortage of surgeons willing to help. I'd start by doing some research into those who are nearest to you, because the point is while Thailand can be very good value, the problem is that unless you live there it's not so easy when things go wrong.

The truth is all surgeons have days when things do go wrong, and unfortunately when they do it always ends up being posted about on the internet. So I think some people see one bad result and write off that surgeon when in fact they may have had hundreds of much better outcomes that you just didn't hear about.

I would recommend my original surgeon, but its been 30 years so he is long since retired, I might also recommend the man I saw for a little cosmetic tweak in 2010 but the reality is he might not suit you and might not be anywhere near you.

So how can you go about this?

Well I'd make a list of all those nearest you and contact them all asking whether they can help. Then read the replies and perhaps narrow the list down to those who give you the right initial "feel". Its surprising how accurate impressions like that can be. Someone who is too glib, too abrupt, didn't answer the question etc – these are all worth avoiding. Find the surgeon who takes time to listen to you, understands what you want, and is able to reassure you that they can deliver that.

Finally do not use price as an infallible guide.  You should know when something is way too cheap, and obviously that should be avoided, but more expensive does not always mean better. I hate to say this but asking people on here is probably the last thing you should do beyond getting names and contact details, because we all think our surgeon and our result is either miraculously perfect (and it probably isn't) or terrible (and it may not even be that either) but either way we are hardly objective judges because... well I don't know about you, but I don't go around looking other transwomen's VJ's!

So I hope that the process I've suggested gives you at least a starting point. I wish you good luck.

[mrs izzy]

All the well named surgeons will and do revisions on other doctors work.

Just some could step back and other jump for the chance to help.

As for aesthetics I have found just about every doctor has there idea of the perfect vajajay so what one finds acceptable the outer might not.

I would make a list of your issues and reach out to some local surgeons.

I wish you luck, yes GCS is a Art and sometimes the body will not take the paint of the surgeons brush.

[Lunasol]

The problem is, he couldn't even reproduce what he guaranteed.
The photos he showed me prior were totally normal. The after looked nothing aliked.

[GendrKweer]

As a Suporn girl a few years old, I've been satisfied for the most part.... I had bad swelling due to a circumcision scar on one quarter of the labia which never got the back to the same size as the other parts so I had it revised without issue. The end result is quite good in appearance. The clitoral hood is a bit lacking due to my not having foreskin, but he did warn me about that in advance. Maybe this was an issue for you as well? In any case, I've heard stories of revisions of his being needed for some people, mainly due to erectile tissue. The best guy for that is a Serbian called Dr Djorjevic. There are revision pics on the site, I'd check him out if you are really unhappy.

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/

Vaginoplasty Redo Section of the site:

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do/5

[possessed]

Judging by Dr Djordjevic cite, many Suporn patients go to him for "buried" penis corrections. And many of the vaginas look nothing like cis. A serious thing to consider

[Lunasol]

As a Suporn girl a few years old, I've been satisfied for the most part.... I had bad swelling due to a circumcision scar on one quarter of the labia which never got the back to the same size as the other parts so I had it revised without issue. The end result is quite good in appearance. The clitoral hood is a bit lacking due to my not having foreskin, but he did warn me about that in advance. Maybe this was an issue for you as well? In any case, I've heard stories of revisions of his being needed for some people, mainly due to erectile tissue. The best guy for that is a Serbian called Dr Djorjevic. There are revision pics on the site, I'd check him out if you are really unhappy.

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/

Vaginoplasty Redo Section of the site:

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do/5

Honestly, his general attitude to me was uncaring; every time I try to ask extensively on details, him and his nurses brush me off or dodge the question.
For example, to this day, I've still gotten no answer on the labia majora. I know it's made out of scrotal skin but for it to continue to behave like it is kind of disturbing, I don't know if it also is like this for cis woman.

I'm considering Toby Meltzer at the moment, he is happy to help and I'm pretty happy about his results.

[possessed]

Try also bressard, he is good in aesthetic

[Jaz650]

I'm scheduled for SRS with Dr. Meltzer on September 22th. I can honestly say he is very caring. I feel totally comfortable having surgery with him.

[GendrKweer]

Regarding size, I too heard that Suporn does better work with a smaller package, if it includes foreskin. I was average in size so my results were good. Indeed, somewhat perversely, what he made for me bears a striking resemblance to that my ex-girlfriend (cis) possessed, which is sort of unsettling But like I said, in appearance apart from that, I'm quite satisfied.

[Laurelin]

Well I am 3 weeks psot-op with him now and stil staying in chonburi atm. I wont defend him on the grounds that "a girls srs surgeon is her god" thing but he clearly showed me different looking vajayjays on my pre-op consultation and told me that natal woman also come in all shapes and sizes so I cant pick or hope for anything beforehand. my result already looks cis with all the swelling so I can say that I am lucky, he also told me that I was a lucky patient. I also have some slight fleshy looking part down in labia minora causing slight asyymetry but he assured me that it is just swelling that would go away in time. I was also so small (maybe a micro size) that it was impossible for me to get more than 2 inches in an unnatural position with the old penile inversion. I would have considered myself extremely lucky if he managed to give me  around 5-6 inches but my surgical depth was 7.5" and it went down to 7" in the first week but now its almost 8" now after swtiching to dynamic dilations. He also told me to go easy in dilations to reduce some depth because 8" would take a long time heal and is not sustainable in the long run.

He is a world class surgeon and is one of the best in this planet but I have also seen some of his botched up work on the internet and I dreaded my decision in the last months before surgery because of them. the thing is as others said all surgeons have those bothed up results in some of their patients because this is kinda like art, it is impossible to determine how each patients result would turn out because everyone is different, our builds are different, healing rates are different, tissues are different ext ext.

I am sorry to hear that yours turned out to be one of the bad ones but i would like to say to others (especially those still researching) that he is clearly not a bad surgeon. There is no "guarantee" or "pick your desired outcome" in plastic surgery in general. I would agree on his poor communication skills thou, he has limited english and takes everything as an insult or implication. When I told him that I was concerned about the reduced depth in the first week he told me that "you said that you would be satisfied with 5"-6" so what is wrong with going down to 7"?". I wasnt even complaining about it! I was just concerned if it would continue to close up. Anyway he has always been pleasant and caring apart from that one incident.

[possessed]

Well I am 3 weeks psot-op with him now and stil staying in chonburi atm. I wont defend him on the grounds that "a girls srs surgeon is her god" thing but he clearly showed me different looking vajayjays on my pre-op consultation and told me that natal woman also come in all shapes and sizes so I cant pick or hope for anything beforehand. my result already looks cis with all the swelling so I can say that I am lucky, he also told me that I was a lucky patient. I also have some slight fleshy looking part down in labia minora causing slight asyymetry but he assured me that it is just swelling that would go away in time. I was also so small (maybe a micro size) that it was impossible for me to get more than 2 inches in an unnatural position with the old penile inversion. I would have considered myself extremely lucky if he managed to give me  around 5-6 inches but my surgical depth was 7.5" and it went down to 7" in the first week but now its almost 8" now after swtiching to dynamic dilations. He also told me to go easy in dilations to reduce some depth because 8" would take a long time heal and is not sustainable in the long run.

He is a world class surgeon and is one of the best in this planet but I have also seen some of his botched up work on the internet and I dreaded my decision in the last months before surgery because of them. the thing is as others said all surgeons have those bothed up results in some of their patients because this is kinda like art, it is impossible to determine how each patients result would turn out because everyone is different, our builds are different, healing rates are different, tissues are different ext ext.

I am sorry to hear that yours turned out to be one of the bad ones but i would like to say to others (especially those still researching) that he is clearly not a bad surgeon. There is no "guarantee" or "pick your desired outcome" in plastic surgery in general. I would agree on his poor communication skills thou, he has limited english and takes everything as an insult or implication. When I told him that I was concerned about the reduced depth in the first week he told me that "you said that you would be satisfied with 5"-6" so what is wrong with going down to 7"?". I wasnt even complaining about it! I was just concerned if it would continue to close up. Anyway he has always been pleasant and caring apart from that one incident.

Dear,

We are talking here about late complications. 3 weeks is too early to judge your results. I know you are under impression that Suporn is the best doctor out there because he says so. He markets himself as the best doctor for M2F SRS. He is obviously good for depth. Aesthetics depends on your luck. And the buried penises thing seems to happen in 100% of his patients...  The problems with buried penises is a serious complication to consider and it seems to happen way to often with Suporn. The surgical photos I saw at Dr Djordjevic web don't look like an overlooked penis. I can imagine how painful it would be getting an erection under the skin, and how disphoric that could be.
Anyway, I wish you a speedy recovery

[Lunasol]

Hy Lunasol,

I believe most of the important things have already been said.

Just out of curiosity - how large was your first genital in size - since another unhappy Suporn girl came up with the idea, that maybe Dr. Suporn's surgery technique is not so much well suited for large first genital sizes, since her big pack was more than 7 inches... and she had problems similar to yours - so maybe this could help either to confirm that claim or negate it.

I read that Toby Meltzer is quite a good surgeon and apparently model Andreja Peijic also went to surgery at his place - so if your heart tells you that this is the way to go for you then you should listen to that voice.

Dr. Sanguan Kunaporn in Thailand also does revisions of other surgeons work - and his patients also praise him highly.

Wish you all the best for your way ahead - please keep us updated on your journey ... we stand by your side

Pretty shrunken by the time I went to him. Before that, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that monstrous. I don't want to think about that...
He makes all sorts of excuses at me, not sure if it was true or not. I was the only Asian there and he'd say how my skin is different and so the feel and looks would differ. He just wouldn't own up to the fact he screwed up. A sorry would've at least been nice.

[Lunasol]

Well I am 3 weeks psot-op with him now and stil staying in chonburi atm. I wont defend him on the grounds that "a girls srs surgeon is her god" thing but he clearly showed me different looking vajayjays on my pre-op consultation and told me that natal woman also come in all shapes and sizes so I cant pick or hope for anything beforehand. my result already looks cis with all the swelling so I can say that I am lucky, he also told me that I was a lucky patient. I also have some slight fleshy looking part down in labia minora causing slight asyymetry but he assured me that it is just swelling that would go away in time. I was also so small (maybe a micro size) that it was impossible for me to get more than 2 inches in an unnatural position with the old penile inversion. I would have considered myself extremely lucky if he managed to give me  around 5-6 inches but my surgical depth was 7.5" and it went down to 7" in the first week but now its almost 8" now after swtiching to dynamic dilations. He also told me to go easy in dilations to reduce some depth because 8" would take a long time heal and is not sustainable in the long run.

He is a world class surgeon and is one of the best in this planet but I have also seen some of his botched up work on the internet and I dreaded my decision in the last months before surgery because of them. the thing is as others said all surgeons have those bothed up results in some of their patients because this is kinda like art, it is impossible to determine how each patients result would turn out because everyone is different, our builds are different, healing rates are different, tissues are different ext ext.

I am sorry to hear that yours turned out to be one of the bad ones but i would like to say to others (especially those still researching) that he is clearly not a bad surgeon. There is no "guarantee" or "pick your desired outcome" in plastic surgery in general. I would agree on his poor communication skills thou, he has limited english and takes everything as an insult or implication. When I told him that I was concerned about the reduced depth in the first week he told me that "you said that you would be satisfied with 5"-6" so what is wrong with going down to 7"?". I wasnt even complaining about it! I was just concerned if it would continue to close up. Anyway he has always been pleasant and caring apart from that one incident.

Yes, it varies. But I was guaranteed a certain range, something that would look cis. The results he showed me were his own and it looks nothing like it. The swelling? Two damn years already, it still looks like ->-bleeped-<-.
I was promised an abalone and now I have a hotdog sandwich bread. Go figure.
I think he just oversells his technique and gimmick. Plenty of famous surgeons use the traditional way and there isn't much of a problem with depth. And depth is the least of your concerns. Those scars down there? Someone will walk out on you during sex.
Good luck to you, 'cause it really ruined me.

[Lunasol]

Dear,

We are talking here about late complications. 3 weeks is too early to judge your results. I know you are under impression that Suporn is the best doctor out there because he says so. He markets himself as the best doctor for M2F SRS. He is obviously good for depth. Aesthetics depends on your luck. And the buried penises thing seems to happen in 100% of his patients...  The problems with buried penises is a serious complication to consider and it seems to happen way to often with Suporn. The surgical photos I saw at Dr Djordjevic web don't look like an overlooked penis. I can imagine how painful it would be getting an erection under the skin, and how disphoric that could be.
Anyway, I wish you a speedy recovery

Oh you have no idea how creepy it feels, I'm even still afraid to let anyone touch me there for too long. It's unusually hard in and out, being able to actually feel it with touch is just.. I don't even know why I bled so much and lost another year of my life being bed-ridden for this ->-bleeped-<-.
I don't know what to do, should I just fix the appearance and let everything else be? Or should I just do the whole thing all over again? I really can't live like this but I can't handle another surgery. I'm anaemic, constantly fatigued and I will be immobilized at least twice as long as others... already had to drop out once... God help me.

[Lunasol]

I'm scheduled for SRS with Dr. Meltzer on September 22th. I can honestly say he is very caring. I feel totally comfortable having surgery with him.

His results look consistent and good. Hope you have a good experience with him.
I'm still considering him for the fix.

[possessed]

I hear you well. First of all the problem can be fixed. That is for sure. I had similar experience with my ffs. I ended up looking like an artefact doll witch. But it was successfully fixed and i now love my new face. Once you get revisions you will forget all of this and a new life will begin. So go ahead with the revisions and look forward to your new life. I hope your experience will teach the prospective suporn patients because you are one of many