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wife with closeted mtf husband, am i wrong i dont believe he is transgender

Started by lostconfusedone, April 07, 2015, 05:51:15 PM

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sparrow

You're a good person.  I'm heartened to hear that you're sticking with your spouse and supporting them.  I hope you've got compassion for yourself.  This isn't easy.  You're a good person.  Do me a favor?  Look in the mirror, and say that out loud to yourself.  You need to hear it.

As I've been allowed to explore more, my wife went through a period of a few weeks where she didn't feel romantically attracted to femme-me.  Fortunately, I'd very recently learned about "boundaries" from my therapist, so I was quick to cue into this... and I backed off for a while.  She's come around a bit, and loves certain aspects about my transition: for example, I'm now a self-identified feminist and I've seen glimmers of the world through female eyes and I "get" her a lot better. 

When it comes to clothes... I'd never borrow something of my wife's that I'll stretch out (stupid man-shoulders!).  I've had to learn how to treat delicates in the laundry.  If your spouse wants to borrow your clothes, set ground rules.  But!  You're now in the enviable position of being married to somebody who will enjoy shopping with you... and this is a strange silver lining indeed... has body image issues, so can be taught to give fair, honest, and sensitive critique of how clothes fit you.
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lostconfusedone

I want to give an update, many of you have asked questions here and privately to me and I owe you in my mind some update (I opened this can of worms).

So.... My wife(former husband) and I are still together.

Its not been easy but counseling has helped. I realize that no matte what I want to be with this person. I love him. We are sharing the same bed, we watch shows together, we laugh,we cry, we talk and quite frankly we are closer than ever. who would have thought.

She is calmer, more collected, and our lives in many ways are better. We still see a therapist and thats been of great help for me and her.

It is not all perfect. There is no Man in the house anymore. We share the responsibilty to protect ourselves, our children and ourselves. For the most part she is mostly stealth in public, but is on hormones, her skin is more feminine.

We have had sex with the lights out, but we always have the lights out, so it works. She smells different.

She has emotional moments more, we hug more.

our kids know something is up and they don't seem to care.

a few people know and we thought it was going to be this giant deal, most don't really care. THAT was a surprise but pleasant

Bottom line, unless she cheats on me, or loses interest in me being the center of her universe, we will be a couple for ever I think. Its working out.

I hope this helps. My advice to anyone reading this and dealing with the same issues. Ask yourself, do you love this person? do they love you? Are they kind? Do you like who they are? do they make you laugh? are they a good person? if you can say yes to those, then work it out, go to therapy, find a way, there is a way, and don't let fear rule your decisions. Life is to darn short.

And I want to thank this community, ->-bleeped-<- communities, books, Susan Boylans(Spelling) books, and everyone for helping here and being brave enough to blaze a trail for others to be "normal".

thank you

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Devlyn

Great post! I'm really glad you updated us and that things are working out.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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KathyLauren

Wow, that brought tears to my eyes!  What a beautiful post and happy ending / beginning!   :)
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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LizK

Great Outcome and you take a huge pat on the back for getting to where you have. Congradulations
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Tysilio

Well done! You've both come a long way on a very difficult road, and that takes a lot of courage... also a lot of love.

Thanks for the update -- it's nice of you to let us know that things are working well for you in spite of all the difficulties. We like "happy middles" almost as much as happy endings, maybe even more.
Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.
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CrysC

Quote from: lostconfusedone on November 17, 2015, 05:27:53 PM
I hope this helps. My advice to anyone reading this and dealing with the same issues. Ask yourself, do you love this person? do they love you? Are they kind? Do you like who they are? do they make you laugh? are they a good person? if you can say yes to those, then work it out, go to therapy, find a way, there is a way, and don't let fear rule your decisions. Life is to darn short.
It was a very nice post but I thought that this part was particularly well said. 

I'm afraid though that you should rename your account.  You don't sound very lost or confused anymore.  :-)
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Cristyjade30

Quote from: lostconfusedone on April 07, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
my first post, my husband came out to me, well multiple times in the last 15 months, and after 12 years of knowing him i just don't buy that he is transgender. let me explain. my husband likes women, no loves women. he loves strip clubs, porn, and any woman that is remotely attractive. a while ago about 5 years into out marriage i caught him cheating and we went to counseling and we worked out some relationship problems, and focus problems around what is important. so time passes and then he hits me with hes always been a women. ummm ok, i look at his childhood pictures and its all guy mode. he says, he always wanted to wear girl clothes, and wants to be called robin, hates his adams apple, etc.

so i went along with it and thinking about this made me angry, hurt, and just plain not buying it. so i called his bluff and told him, I'm not a lesbian, and that this isn't gonna work, and we should divorce. so he then back peddles and says he's not transgender, and was confused. so i told him i needed more and he explained that the whole idea came about. because, of the many things in his life he cannot explain, like wanting to wear girl clothes, wanting and gravitating to female things. i told em guys can like female things and not be transgender. to that he said thats true. so he saw a therapist who also supported me and said men have but female and male in them, same with women. yin and yang if you will. and it doesn't make a person transgender. the therapist also said that its fine and he's not transgender but balanced, and its ok to explore his female side some. so we did, he tried on some girl shoes, and pants, and i asked him how they made him feel and he said, silly. so.. we put it to rest. now months later its back, he says he wants to transition, and again i called him out, and now he says he is just confused, and just needed me to center him back.


so.... what is going on here? in my mind there is NO WAY he is transgender. am i wrong? i mean even therapist basically said he is not. i want my husband, and my life, and my sex with a male partner.

anyone else deal with this? did you help them to stay male, or let them transition? did you stay or leave? i cant imagine staying with my husband if he turned into a woman. sex will not be an option and im not attracted to females. to me, he is just ill. and i dont know how to snap him out of it. sigh...

thanks for listening and any advice.


I know this post is some what old, however allow me to interject. Now being attracted to women is perfectly normal for men or women, just depends on your preference as an individual and has nothing to do with being "trans" which is a stupid phrase. Your either man or woman, although there are some I believe that don't have either a male or female dominant brain. Brain sex is rarely discussed anymore. No one can quantify what it feel like to be a woman or a man. It's to subjective. Each individual has there own experience. But somehow your brain does know the difference. I knew when I was a child I wasn't "male". But being from the south I had to be the man to fit in and not he tortured for being "feminine". And trust me I was bullied endlessly until I learned to bury my true self. People flat out called me a liar when I came out. Said I was confused, now way you can be "trans". In reality I wasn't. I was just female. Now I'm 32 and am happy for the first time ever in my life. My wife knew I was miserable even though I wore a smile and I was always the class clown and jovial. It was a coping mechanism. It was killing our marriage. Bc I was ill all the time, aggressive and quick to anger. I was just a machine. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Being able to dress sometimes is a coping mechanism, it's never about the clothes, it's about relief from the pain. I rarely wear the things I used to wear when I "dressed". I still like to dress nice to go out from time to time, but most of the time it's jeans and flip flops. I wear a big tshirt to bed or pajama pants and a girls undershirt to bed. Sorry if I'm going on, but I made excuses to make my wife happy, almost same story as yours. I would say I just was confused. Your not going to get the truth unless you yourself are open to it and do so without judgement. Because your spouse will feel that judgment and feel shame so they will make excuses again because they love you. With all there heart. Life will go on for both of you, if you decide to leave you will find love again, they will find love again. But you have to be open to find out the truth. Put yourself out of the situation mentally and emotionally. My wife did this for me Bc she needed to know how I really felt and she knew I wouldn't as long as she was judging me. I was a soldier(infantry) a veteran. I rode a Harley, had a fast cool car, I was like super male. So my wife didn't believe me either AT ALL. Like you had no attraction to women. Didn't think she would stay, but our marriage wasn't going to survive the way it was either. So we agreed to a gender therapist and was recommended to start hormone therapy, we agreed I would stay male and dress every other week and stay "male" to see how it went, after some time on hormones, I changed. My mood lightened. I became happy, my personality completely changed, I'm still the same person. And to my wife's surprise she started really liking me, in her words she knew I was this person, but now she could see me. She still wasn't attracted to me like that. Then my body started changing. I am 7 months in on hormones and I have a full a cup. I lost several pounds, my body is shaped more like a woman. I have some curves now. And my wife is extremely attracted to me now. We're more in love than we ever have been. It's been the best thing to happen to both of us. I have an almost 0 testosterone level, so she isn't being tricked into it by my hormones. She is a traditional Christian as am I. So she really struggled with it for a while. But we have always believed being gay or lesbian isn't a sin. But again we're from Alabama and it's the Bible Belt. My whole point being you might think you can't have an enjoyable sex life with a woman, you might be surprised. It's the happiest time of our lives. She really didn't think she would be happy with me sexually or emotionally as a woman. And didn't think I would be passable. Hormones are something else let me tell you. I am telling you go to a gender therapist let your spouse tell you the truth, if you decide to stay, stay if not leave don't drag it out it's bad for both of you if you do. Give enough time say a year on hormones and let your spouse dress every few weeks at home, spend time together watch movies, have some romantic candle lit dinners, just enjoy being in the moment, don't fight your emotions good or bad. If you don't like your spouse more then be an adult and ask them to be an adult, stay friends and end it. If not there will be resentment and regret and your marriage won't be fun if you don't resolve this any way. If you need to talk to my wife pm me and she can talk to you. She was exactly like you a few years ago. If it works out like our relationship did you'll never have more fun and more love than that. It not only made us more in love, it saved us and I am eternally happy as is my wife. I mean we're constantly sending each other love notes and we seriously can't keep our hands off each other. I wish you all the luck and I wish you the same happiness me and my wife have. Please by all means pm me I can give you my wife's email address and she can tell you everything we went through and it wasn't all roses and hugs either. We fought we got mad and didn't talk, and then she got to the point where she really wanted to know more than she feared the pain and that was a break through for us. Good luck and please update us on how it goes.
I feel like a butterfly emerging from her cacoon, I'm finally starting to live.
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SonadoraXVX

Never judge a person based on appearance, they are so deceiving, trust them in what they say and how well you know them. Best friend, who was a usmc force recon marine, had a friend, who's twin brother also made it into force recon. One brother transitioned from male to female, and the other brother stayed male. That story was so bizarre to the force recon community, its never talked about or admitted. Reason I know this, is I'm a former marine, who served with this force recon marine, but as a MP, both he and I were MP's, he just made it to force recon after active duty in the reserves. Me, I got out and went 1st civ. div.
To know thyself is to be blessed, but to know others is to prevent supreme headaches
Sun Tzu said it best, "To know thyself is half the battle won, but to know yourself and the enemy, is to win 100% of the battles".



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