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How to survive being tested in intimate female spaces?

Started by Evelyn K, April 19, 2015, 11:59:55 PM

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Evelyn K

Quote from: iKate on April 20, 2015, 02:19:47 PM
I noticed several things immediately too.

Are these people MTF or simply crossdressers? It almost looks like they are CDers experimenting with presentation in public.

Some of them have 'transgender' tags on their videos.
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iKate

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 20, 2015, 02:25:57 PM
Some of them have 'transgender' tags on their videos.

I ask because the heels and dress is not normally how people would dress everyday and that in itself draws attention.
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Evelyn K

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Sammy

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 20, 2015, 02:25:57 PM
Some of them have 'transgender' tags on their videos.

They are all transgender, but there is difference and it is quite subtle.

And no, it is not only about confidence - doing stupid things with an utmost conviction would be still doing... stupid... things...
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Evelyn K

^^ Concurred. Some are just oblivious, ya know? The video seems to be a pervasive representative example of the blind leading the blind.
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Sammy

Evelyn, I am very happy to see that You have come back and are posting again. You have nice sense of irony, which is sometimes borderline sarcastic :) (or was it the other way around?;)
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Evelyn K

I like a little sarcasm, it wakes up the brain cells. ;D

But on a serious note, I think studying other T women's presentation is important so we can glean what to do, and what NOT to do.

So far from almost everything I've seen on the tube's, I'm not impressed. It's starkly apparent that our community has a long way to go in its struggles and knowledge sharing is vital.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 20, 2015, 03:09:11 PM
I like a little sarcasm, it wakes up the brain cells. ;D

But on a serious note, I think studying other T women's presentation is important so we can glean what to do, and what NOT to do.

So far from almost everything I've seen on the tube's, I'm not impressed. It's starkly apparent that our community has a long way to go in its struggles and knowledge sharing is vital.

There are also those that have no issues with presentation and have simply wandered off and gotten a life. They feel no need to make videos and post them online. I'm too busy actually living my life for that. But then, I'd never watch such videos.

Also, some of the worst advice I've been given came from other trans people. "You gotta do this.. You gotta do that.." or "You'll need to have X, Y and Z procedures on your face.." As well intentioned as those advice givers may have been, they were way off base. And, frankly, some of them were quite rude about it.

And yes, confidence does help.. If you have 80-90% of the package together, having confidence in who and what you are will carry you the rest of the way. This isn't just my opinion, but that of quite a few women I know - the ones who are too busy actually living life to make videos.

And don't think to judge me by my avatar pic, it's ancient. And I can't be bothered updating it.
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Evelyn K

^^ Well there you go. A lot of this "advice" is never challenged and ripped apart. Doesn't fall in line with the spirit of "support".
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Jenna Marie

As for that video, the thing is, look at what everyone around her is wearing. No other woman who crossed the camera field is anywhere NEAR that dressed up for the mall - no fancy dresses, no bright red, no super high spiked heels. The real problem is that even as a cis woman she wouldn't blend in; if she's dressed to attract attention, that by definition means she's standing out. And once people are looking...

Mac1 : I was scared out of my mind (it was a state of emergency in the area and this high school gym was the only place I'd been able to shower for a week, or I wouldn't have risked it), but I kept myself half-turned from the open doorway and was incredibly careful not to let anything show. Since I'm reasonably feminine in body shape otherwise, that sufficed. There were other women there who were shy about their bodies, and even some complaining about how dreadful the whole setup was, so it didn't seem odd to be turning my back to the room, etc. In fact, in most locker rooms there's a few cis women who want to change in the stalls/behind a towel/cautiously. It was the only time I ever wished I knew how to tuck, though!

Evelyn : That's some of the things you can do in fitting rooms, but sometimes women just take stuff in there to try on in private, too. :) You don't *have* to let other people see you half-dressed unless you really want to, and it'd be considered weird to routinely do that with strangers [who were not the salespeople, and even they do bra fittings by request only].
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 20, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
^^ Well there you go. A lot of this "advice" is never challenged and ripped apart. Doesn't fall in line with the spirit of "support".

I tried to challenge it and gave up when I was shouted down by the "majority". At which point I just wandered away and became the cynical advice giver I am today.
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iKate

I take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. I mostly experiment and find stuff on my own. I don't watch how my (cis) wife does things either, she's not such a good example of how I'd like to be.

Some of it is natural too. The walk I've found easy to do and my arms have the feminine carry angle. Plus I don't walk around like hulk like these women are doing to some degree.
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ClaireIvene

Wow!!!!! Why does this site or my pc not posting what I write... it was 2 paragraphs long grrrr!! In my exp even when I looked like a andro-male females accepted me into their spaces. I have always been effeminate by nature(love looking back at my memories of people saying "why do you behave and walk like a girl, you ->-bleeped-<-!) comments it was reaffirming of myself somehow.. lol. Ciswomen would talk to me about relationship both romantic and family/friends problems, emotional struggles they are having, and even beauty etc. I thought it was odd at first considering that does not usually happen but got used to it fast and love it. This could be a matter of the fact that I was more acquainted with them and they were not strangers, soooo who knows I guess.

Lol! Barging in a locker room or spa or something with strangers would probably tell a different tale!
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Evelyn K

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 20, 2015, 03:44:57 PM
I tried to challenge it and gave up when I was shouted down by the "majority". At which point I just wandered away and became the cynical advice giver I am today.

I nudge, but I get sent on vacation. So these days I make a splash and disappear. It's a big headache and emotionally exhausting to try get involved so why subject myself.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 20, 2015, 04:07:07 PM
I nudge, but I get sent on vacation. So these days I make a splash and disappear. It's a big headache and emotionally exhausting to try get involved so why subject myself.

When people who live on the other side of the world tell me that my life experiences are a lie because they don't fit in to their tiny boxes, I walked away.
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Sammy

Quote from: kelly_aus on April 20, 2015, 04:22:01 PM
When people who live on the other side of the world tell me that my life experiences are a lie because they don't fit in to their tiny boxes, I walked away.

Well, You know that saying about dogs and caravan, don't You? I am kinda sure, that they still keep barking, but You have moved on quite a fair share :).
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Zoetrope

Regarding all the videos - if these girls are CD/TV, that's a different thing to being TS, and it's best not to compare them with TS standards.
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Dread_Faery

You most likely didn't get clocked. Because when you actually get clocked, you know about it, because the cis ->-bleeped-<-s will make sure you do. If you're lucky it'll be questions - if you're really lucky they'll be respectful - if you're not... well best not to think about it. Depending on your presentation you may very well be getting read as transmasculine female, that happens to me a lot, and it's ->-bleeped-<-en annoying.

Mostly when you get 'clocked' what has really happened is someone has noticed you and your mind has jumped to the worst possible conclusion, especially if you are nervous about being in that space to start with.

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Evelyn K

NE way I guess what's the point of this thread?

I would say that if you are being read, accruing any suspicion, then you'll have a hard time making it in places where women who self-select by CIS passing privilege, can meet and feel secure and openly intimate with each other. For a transwoman it's a unyielding test of her stealthyness.

Many pay a lot of lip service to being able to meet this challenge, but ultimately fail when called on it and actually tested.

Open discussions about these topics are always useful. But I never see any. I guess it's just too triggering and nitty gritty for the community's comfort.
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Evelyn K

Quote from: Dread_Faery on April 20, 2015, 04:43:20 PM
You most likely didn't get clocked. Because when you actually get clocked, you know about it, because the cis ->-bleeped-<-s will make sure you do. If you're lucky it'll be questions - if you're really lucky they'll be respectful - if you're not... well best not to think about it. Depending on your presentation you may very well be getting read as transmasculine female, that happens to me a lot, and it's ->-bleeped-<-en annoying.

Mostly when you get 'clocked' what has really happened is someone has noticed you and your mind has jumped to the worst possible conclusion, especially if you are nervous about being in that space to start with.

^^ I'm sorry but this is the kind of interpretation of the circumstantial facts and actions (as one would like them to appear rather than as they really are) that goes on and on and on around here.

I was clocked. Why try to dress it up or downplay it?
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