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[Susan]

That being said, this post is against ->-bleeped-<-'s rules on brigading, and can get your account banned, Susan. There are very few things you can get banned ->-bleeped-<--wide, but this is one of them.

->-bleeped-<- states and I was very careful not to:

In regard to promoting ->-bleeped-<- posts

• Hint at asking for votes. ("Show me some love!", "Is this front page worthy?", "Vote This Up to Spread the Word!", "If this makes the front page, I'll adopt this stray cat and name it ->-bleeped-<-", "If this reaches 500 points, I'll get a tattoo of the ->-bleeped-<- alien!", "Upvote if you do this!", "Why isn't this getting more attention?", etc.)
  
• Conduct polls using the title of your submission and/or votes. These methods are not reliable because of vote fuzzing and are in that regard just asking for upvotes.
  
• Send out IMs, tweets, or any other message asking people to vote for your submission — or comply when other people ask you. This will result in a ban from the admins. Your submission should get points for being good, not because the submitter is part of a voting clique.
  
• Ask for upvotes in exchange for gifts or prizes. "Upvote me to the top and I'll give away ..."
  
• Create mass downvote or upvote campaigns. This includes attacking a user's profile history when they say something bad and participating in karma party threads.
  

Feel free to explain where I did any of those things?

What did I do? I asked the ->-bleeped-<- users from my site to look at the thread that is it.

I suggested they could tell people what they thought of the site. I did not ask for votes either way.

That is it. Nothing that even come close to violating the rules of ->-bleeped-<-.

I would expect the ->-bleeped-<- creators to follow my rules on my site, I will follow theirs on theirs.

[Susan]

I have proof in the announcements thread of one of their members sent me harassing text messages, and I am 90% sure it is the same person who has created facebook accounts in Cindy's former name, Matt's name, Mrs Izzy's former and current name. 

Matt wasn't even here for the non-binary stuff, and is a minor.

as I said bad karma is coming.

You shouldn't assume that I don't already have indirect access to the Ex-Susan's forum over there.

[erisrenee]

<filtered> states and I was very careful not to:

Feel free to explain where I did any of those things?

What did I do? I asked the <filtered> users from my site to look at the thread that is it.

I suggested they could tell people what they thought of the site. I did not ask for votes either way.

That is it. Nothing that even come close to violating the rules of <filtered>.

I would expect the <filtered> creators to follow my rules on my site, I will follow theirs on theirs.

> NOT OK: Sharing links with your friends or coworkers and asking them to vote.

While you're not explicitly asking for votes, you are asking for participation which implies votes. I know people permabanned for less.

In addition, it is against rules to link the on outside sites for noneducational/informational purposes. By linking you are violating that rule as well, and inciting drama.

Also as an aside, I don't know who is harassing your members. I hope you get to the bottom of it. I have a friend being harassed on fb as well. The trans community can be cruel.

[stephaniec]

wow, this is crazy stuff. I just looked at ->-bleeped-<- site for the first time and read the remarks to Susan and got quite offended. I post a lot and always think I'm pretty neutral in my questions . Seems to me someone has definitely got a grudge against Susan and if she can get them to hang themselves in a legal loop more power to her.

[Susan]

Then let then do so. These are not coworkers. I didn't post it in my private staff forums. I posted it in a public area for everyone.  I did not ask people to only share positive stories either. No one will be penalized for anything they say there on here. Not even hanazon0's little group.

You can imply anything you wish but I will let my post, and the action of my members stand on its own. I have yet to read anything that did not simply add to the discussion.

I read the <filtered> rules, Reddiquette, and the asktransgender rules very carefully before I posted. Nothing I have done there or here violates them. If you feel otherwise please share it with the <filtered> staff.

I have also been in communication with them since the beginning of my thread.

[erisrenee]

Then let then do so. These are not coworkers. I didn't post it in my private staff forums. I posted it in a public area for everyone. 

You can imply anything you wish but I will let my post, and the action of my members stand on it's own. I have yet to read anything that did not simply add to the discussion.

I read the ->-bleeped-<- rules, Reddiquette, and the ask transgender rules very carefully before I posted. Nothing I have done there or here violates them. If you feel otherwise please share it with the ->-bleeped-<- staff.

I'm not reporting you. I'm just making sure you're aware you're going against the asktransgender and ->-bleeped-<- rules. I don't think anything constructive will result from getting your account banned from ->-bleeped-<- or the sub->-bleeped-<-. Besides, right now ask transgender has only one active moderator.

I also wanted to apologize for the personal attacks on there and make it clear that those are not exactly common on the sub->-bleeped-<-, which is otherwise a very accepting, supportive community.

[toniwest]

I love Susan's Place and the information has helped me so much. Everyone has been great. Some site only seem to want 18yo pretty girls. Lol. Thank you everyone here I would be lost without everyone.

[iKate]

I read through some of that. Wow, just wow.

Seriously? Getting bent out of shape because we refer to ourselves as boys and girls?

[erisrenee]

I read through some of that. Wow, just wow.

Seriously? Getting bent out of shape because we refer to ourselves as boys and girls?

That was me, and I explained my position. I'm not bent out of shape, I just consider it a bit creepy. No judgment, however. Do what you wish.

[iKate]

That was me, and I explained my position. I'm not bent out of shape, I just consider it a bit creepy. No judgment, however. Do what you wish.

Okay. I just found it a bit odd. Thanks for explaining. I guess it's a culture thing, I've called adult friends boy and girl for a long time.

[erisrenee]

Okay. I just found it a bit odd. Thanks for explaining. I guess it's a culture thing, I've called adult friends boy and girl for a long time.

Nah that's not what I'm talking about. I always will say I'm out with the girls, or with the boys, etc. It's just when people call themselves a girl or a boy and they're fully grown adults, I get a bit sleeved out. It was one of several things that I pointed out as turning me off of these forums. But I'm here now, so whatevs.

[Devlyn]

Hard not to notice how much more effort you've put into warning Susan about an alleged linking violation than you did over a transwoman being misgendered. Welcome to the site.

Hugs, Devlyn

[erisrenee]

Hard not to notice how much more effort you've put into warning Susan about an alleged linking violation than you did over a transwoman being misgendered. Welcome to the site.

Hugs, Devlyn

I said it's uncalled for, I downvoted the comment, and I reported the comment. It's not constructive for me to go off on the person on ->-bleeped-<-. I did not report Susan's post on ->-bleeped-<-.

Also as a nitpick, it wasn't misgendering, it was a comment attacking her appearance, as "masculine". One of the main things I like to point out is that there are plenty of feminine men, and masculine women, and there is nothing wrong with that. Used as an insult, however, is messed up.

Thanks for the warm, passive-aggressive, welcome.

[stephaniec]

I said it's uncalled for, I downvoted the comment, and I reported the comment. It's not constructive for me to go off on the person on ->-bleeped-<-. I did not report Susan's post on ->-bleeped-<-.

Also as a nitpick, it wasn't misgendering, it was a comment attacking her appearance, as "masculine". One of the main things I like to point out is that there are plenty of feminine men, and masculine women, and there is nothing wrong with that. Used as an insult, however, is messed up.

Thanks for the warm, passive-aggressive, welcome.

Bienvenue

[Ms Grace]

This is Susan's thread but can I just remind all members that personal attacks are not tolerated.

[Devlyn]

I wasn't questioning your actions, just pointing them out. You dropped one sentence there, in your group. An area you ought to be concerned about. Then came here with a major post about respecting ->-bleeped-<- rules. Actions speak louder than words.

Hugs, Devlyn

[erisrenee]

I wasn't questioning your actions, just pointing them out. You dropped one sentence there, in your group. An area you ought to be concerned about. Then came here with a major post about respecting ->-bleeped-<- rules. Actions speak louder than words.

Hugs, Devlyn

Over there is a different culture than over here. As I said, it wouldn't be constructive of me to write a long-winded post against that poster's actions. Instead, it is more constructive to report, downvote the post, and write a short reply, condemning the action. If I am elected mod there, I'd be able to do more, but for now, that's the best I can do.

I wrote a longer post here because I wanted to make it clear that that type of behavior is not acceptable, nor normal, on our transgender communities on ->-bleeped-<-. My main motivation for posting here was to apologize for their actions, on behalf of the community. The comment about Susan breaking ->-bleeped-<- rules was an aside, within the post. Susan asked which rule she was disobeying, and I clarified. But I did not report her post as I believe it is a constructive post.  Her ->-bleeped-<- post has been deleted by the mods, however, as it IS against the rules, as I warned. I also wish to be a constructive member of this community, and judge the community for myself, rather than based on my impressions from years ago, or secondhand comments.

Anyway, sorry for the admittedly crappy introduction.

[Devlyn]

Yes, it is a different culture. Here, the goal is information and suicide prevention. I have three to my credit.

People can go to your area and say or do anything offensive they like. That simply isn't allowed here. I think you'll prefer the air here.

Hugs, Devlyn

[Ms Grace]

As I said, it wouldn't be constructive of me to write a long-winded post against that poster's actions. Instead, it is more constructive to report, downvote the post...

Which is what we expect of people to do here if similar happened. Thank you for doing what you did.

[erisrenee]

Yes, it is a different culture. Here, the goal is information and suicide prevention. I have three to my credit.

People can go to your area and say or do anything offensive they like. That simply isn't allowed here. I think you'll prefer the air here.

Hugs, Devlyn

Once again, you're being passive aggressive, and I'd appreciate it if you stop. We've also derailed the entire topic. There, the goal is also information and suicide prevention. There are also less-strict rules, but personal attacks, misgendering, slurs, etc, are against the rules. I prefer the less-restrictive environment there, since here apparently (according to the rules) I cannot even link to external resources. According to the rules, I could be banned already for linking to ->-bleeped-<-'s rules and the sub->-bleeped-<- rules, for Susan.

In addition, your closing, "hugs," reads as patronizing to me. I've gotten a TON of help from the trans communities on ->-bleeped-<-, and I have helped an untold number of people, some on the brink of suicide. It is a fantastic resource that has helped thousands of people, in a less-strict environment. So when you make thinly-veiled insults targeted at the sub->-bleeped-<- or its members in general, I get defensive. I hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.

Which is what we expect of people to do here if similar happened. Thank you for doing what you did.

No problem, the comment has been deleted. Once again, I am SO sorry for the personal attacks on the sub->-bleeped-<-. They're recruiting new mods, as right now the workload is entirely on one mod (the 'head' mod is completely inactive and only comes out to cause problems), thanks to some drama. I'm one of the people in the running to hopefully become a mod, we're just waiting for all the applications to be in from everyone who expressed interest.