QuoteThey are perverts plain and simple.
Cindi, while I respect your opinion, I heartily disagree. I attended the MCC for a long time, and made friends with a lot of the kind of gay guys you are speaking of. In fact one of them was an assistant pastor and did outreach to those men. He was involved in a long term, monogamous relationship with the choir pianist.
He would troll the spots most associated with MSM and instead of getting busy with them, he would talk to them. Do you know what he found? That there are a helluva lot of gay men out there for which this kind of behavior is the only thing available to them, because they are afraid to come out and be themselves. Their reasons were myriad, but the most popular were that they did not want to lose their standing in the str8 community [many were involved in church social circles with families], they felt it was too dangerous to be out [afraid of being dragged behind a truck], or a loss of income. Any of those sound familiar to you folks here?
Like people afraid to transition, because they cannot imagine a life outside of the one they are trapped within, many gay men are terrified of the stigma attached to being gay. Many gay men believe very deeply, that since many of them were like these guys before they came out, that if society were more accepting or at least tolerant of gay male relationships, that same-sex relationships would explode exponentially into the public conscience. And, if men were allowed to have those kind of relationships recognized in society, then a lot of those men could find a partner to stay with instead of having anonymous sex.
It's a really strong parallel to this community actually. If transition was accepted by the majority of the population, instead of castgated and ridiculed, and if surgery as an eventual outcome was available for all instead of a select few, than I believe that the population of post-op people would double overnight if not more so.
Calling men that are afraid to come out as gay because of a loss of status socially or economically, is as unfair as calling transgendered people that are afraid to transition because of the unability to pay for surgery, "not real transsexuals." Both statements are judgmental and inappropriate for this forum IMNSHO.
Further, judging people that have sex in public places as "not gay," is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. There are many faces of gay men out there, and some of them are monogamous, and some of them are promiscuous, but I kind of think that labelling some of them as perverts because they do not conform to your puritanistic attitude as far as expressing their sexuality to be inherently wrong and judgmental also.
You of course have the right to disagree with me. But I am not into labelling people as this, that, or the other thing. I AM a perv, and damned proud of that fact. I do not conform to society's demands that I behave in any set way, and I resent any attempt to portray people that believe as I do, as inferior or wrong to those that believe otherwise.
Once again, I state that the problem with these guys getting caught as MSM is an issue only because their actions are hypocritical, not because that behavior is inherently wrong in and of itself. That which is same, sane, and consensual between adults should not be judged by those outside of that particular relationship. That IMNSHO.
