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being cold and detached, aloof with people - it helped me a lot

Started by teresita, May 17, 2015, 04:41:10 AM

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amber roskamp

Quote from: Metanoia on May 17, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Amber, you made my night with the Pink Floyd tattoo... 

After all, it's not easy banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall...

Happy to oblige  ;D

I honestly have no idea whether or not being cold and distant will help passing. It is a route I'm completely unwilling to go because to me that would be detransitioning in a sense. That was how I was when I was before my transition, and it is how I am when I am in guy mode at work. I purposefully keep coworkers at a distance because I can't have a close relationship with someone who sees me as male.

So I guess that my gender dysphoria may have caused some of my former aloof-ness
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suzifrommd

I'd rather be clockable if passing means making people around me uncomfortable.
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teresita

1) before transition I was unhappy but very social and friendly
2) after transition I am happier but very asocial and very cold.

I am happier today. I am happier with less people in my life. I focus on quality and not quantity. It is visceral, atavic need of the interlocutor to put you into the "male category" if you do not pass. To most people, no matter how liberal they are, transsexuals are fake women.

This evokes the concept of "Uncanny Valley", coined in 1970 by the Japanese roboticist Masahiro Mori. Mori suggested that people react positively to androids (humanlike robots) for as long as they differ from real humans in meaningful and discernible ways. But the minute these contraptions come to resemble humans uncannily, though imperfectly, human observers tend to experience repulsion, revulsion, and other negative emotions, including fear.

That is why unpassable crossdressers are seen as jokes, and not as a threat, and they are more likely to elicit a laugh and sympathy than a transsexual who has gone a long way to become passable.
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teresita

I wanted to add something. Whenever I have been polite and courteous to a man, he thought I wanted him. That drives me insane. For some reason, men think that a trans woman has no standards and will want to have sex with any man. That is crazy. Last year, I have had a chance to meet male friends of a friend. I considered them extremely unattractive and yet, not only did they think I wanted them, they also were uncomfortable around me because they were afraid I would try to be sexual with them. When I found that out I was so shocked and so hurt that I decided that I have to be rude to men, especially men I am not attracted to. It is VERY sad, but it hasn't happened to me once, or twice but many many times.
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amber roskamp

Quote from: teresita on May 20, 2015, 01:04:25 AM
I wanted to add something. Whenever I have been polite and courteous to a man, he thought I wanted him. That drives me insane. For some reason, men think that a trans woman has no standards and will want to have sex with any man. That is crazy. Last year, I have had a chance to meet male friends of a friend. I considered them extremely unattractive and yet, not only did they think I wanted them, they also were uncomfortable around me because they were afraid I would try to be sexual with them. When I found that out I was so shocked and so hurt that I decided that I have to be rude to men, especially men I am not attracted to. It is VERY sad, but it hasn't happened to me once, or twice but many many times.

Yea many men are ridiculously horny. since porn is the area where we trans women are most visible, we all tend to get treated like we are sex workers. There are also lots of stereotypes based off of misinformation that reinforce this chain of thought.

I think this is an ok time to be rude.
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enigmaticrorschach

well there is the stigma of trans people being a bit, out there so to speak. can't really come up with something else. being cold and aloof basically shuts down that stigma and makes people do a double take. I'm like that as well which makes people view me differently. of course some people are "A" masochists and apparently love how I reject them cuz they keep coming back trying to go after me

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Felix

Hey I know I'm coming from the other side and my tactics aren't necessarily worth trying to generalize with, but I feel like how I act is similarly relevant.

The people in my building don't know what trans means. They seem to barely be aware that homosexuals exist. But everyone on my block knows that I am the only person in my daughter's life. I get almost daily praise for taking care of my "sister" no matter how many times I explain that she is my kid. I get called out by strangers all the time for acting too girly, and then the people calling me out offer excuses and voice their thoughts about what it must be like for a single guy to raise a little girl. I get to watch and hear all sorts of random people hash out their gender biases.

I always win. Nobody ever stops to see whether I pass as male or whether I'm qualified to give opinions on female fashion. I'm not even a parent to anybody. I'm just some random guy and I barely get glanced at.

I don't know if my experiences are typical but what made me want to comment was how much my attitude has always mattered. The chiller I am the more I can get away with, whether I am read as male, female, trans, or unknown.
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teresita

:being cold and aloof basically shuts down that stigma and makes people do a double take.

My thoughts exactly. I was not like this before, but, being a trans woman, I cannot have the luxury of being friendly, outgoing, especially with other males. They immediately think I want to do them. So, when they see I am so aloof and cold, they get so confused. They think "wait a minute, she/he/it is a disgusting ->-bleeped-<- and does not go out of its way to please me? That's a ->-bleeped-<- and doesn't want to do me so I can reject him/her/it?"

I will reiterate that for me the best strategy possible has been being detached and cold.
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April_TO

omg i thought i was alone. thats exactly why im always cold and will always have a bitch resting face with men. Especially the douche bag looking yuppies around my office.


Quote from: teresita on May 20, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
:being cold and aloof basically shuts down that stigma and makes people do a double take.

My thoughts exactly. I was not like this before, but, being a trans woman, I cannot have the luxury of being friendly, outgoing, especially with other males. They immediately think I want to do them. So, when they see I am so aloof and cold, they get so confused. They think "wait a minute, she/he/it is a disgusting ->-bleeped-<- and does not go out of its way to please me? That's a ->-bleeped-<- and doesn't want to do me so I can reject him/her/it?"

I will reiterate that for me the best strategy possible has been being detached and cold.
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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