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Started by Lost78, May 30, 2015, 08:07:07 PM

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Lost78

For those that have/had children as your cis gender then later transitioned, did it impact your child's psychological well being or was it non affecting? What were their ages when you transitioned? Did you notice them treating you any different during or after the transition? Did they avoid you or disown you? Did the need the "old" you more than the new? I'm a cis male contemplating HRT and have a 5 year, 13 and 15 year old... And curious the effects if any, they would go through or if it royally messes them up. I may need a life time of therapy but I don't want my kids too. Any advise or info is appreciated.
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Laura_7

Here are some resources for explaining:

gires dot org dot uk/explaining.php
there are brochures for children of different ages

a brochure called "doh-transgender-experiences.pdf" . Only thing I would disagree with is page 7, where they state stress, instead many experience relief.
It states that being trans has some biological connections, which is imo socially a bit better acceptable, and it might help with self acceptance.

It might help explain some of the feelings transgender people have.

Well its up to you what you say since you know them best...
its difficult to say how they might react...
how are their viewpoints concerning lgbt subjects for example...

one possibility would be to use the help of the presence of a counselor...
another to simply reassure them of your love...
and maybe giving them some kind of feeling of continuity... like there will be changes but its all manageable...
I personally also like the twin explanation... people will be basically like their male/female twin, with still the same sense of humour etc...


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suzifrommd

I don't know whether it impacted my children's well being, but they're certainly not complaining about it. My daughter had just turned 16 when I went full time and my son was 17. I'm closer than ever with my daughter, and my son has never brought it up as an issue.

I'm a schoolteacher and my daughter was a student at the school where I teach. I made her promise to tell me if anyone so much as looks at her funny because of me. In two years there were zero incidents. True it took her a couple months before she was comfortable going out in public with me (and about 8 months of dressing as myself before she would look at me). We took her to see a counselor, but that was more about the divorce than my transition.

There have been studies that show that children of LGBT parents suffer no ill effects as a result and are better off in some categories.

I hope this helps.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Lost78

It's surprising really, how "statistics" claim the kids will be more accepting and better off, yet the rest of the world will hate you and wish ill of you.  :(
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Laura_7

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 08:49:26 PM
It's surprising really, how "statistics" claim the kids will be more accepting and better off, yet the rest of the world will hate you and wish ill of you.  :(
I would ascribe that to explanation.
If it can be explained there are legitimate reasons and people are essentially the same and not a stereotpe like displayed in some media (which is changing now) I'd say its likely people show more understanding.

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Lost78

I hope the future does change for the better. But in my state, there aren't many, if any laws that would protect me if I were to transition. Pretty much they would nullify my marriage certificate, consider it a "same sex marriage" and not honor it in the event my wife decided to stay with me, AND she would get full custody cause I would be abandoning my role as "father". It's bs and scary.
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Laura_7

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
I hope the future does change for the better. But in my state, there aren't many, if any laws that would protect me if I were to transition. Pretty much they would nullify my marriage certificate, consider it a "same sex marriage" and not honor it in the event my wife decided to stay with me, AND she would get full custody cause I would be abandoning my role as "father". It's bs and scary.
Well considering the last few years a lot has changed and is still in the process of changing.
Considering marriage certificate, it might be possible to change documents except birth certificate. You might look into that.


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Lost78

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Laura_7

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 09:27:04 PM
What do you mean change documents?
gender marker on drivers license, passport etc
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ChiGirl

I have a 14 yr old daughter and she's runs hot and cold.  Well lukewarm and cold.  She seems okay with the concept but not the reality. 

My therapist recommended a group called Colage.  It's for kids of LGBT parents.  They have a subgroup called Kids Of Trans (K. O. T.).  You might want to check that out.
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Lost78

Sounds scary... Does the group help your daughter at all? What does she have the biggest problem with? At what age was she when you transitioned? I'm just curious you don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable I don't want to cross any personal space.
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iKate

I have three four year olds. They seem fine but I don't know what will happen when I get further along. They know I'm transgender (they know the word too) and transitioning but they gender me male and my wife encourages them to as well: I am afraid to tell them to refer to me wity female pronouns because it will upset my wife.

Most recently she got upset because I told her if I have to take my son to a public restroom it will be the women's restroom. It's as if she expects me to walk into the men's room wearing a bra and with B cup breasts and be fine about it? No way. I use the women's now.

They seem fine otherwise though. They love me to pieces and I do a lot of "mom" things as well as "dad" things but I would have anyway as this house gets extremely busy.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 08:49:26 PM
It's surprising really, how "statistics" claim the kids will be more accepting and better off, yet the rest of the world will hate you and wish ill of you.  :(

I've been full time for nearly two years. I have never seen evidence of someone I meet hating me or wishing ill of me.

I need to characterize your assessment of "the rest of the world" as a bit pessimistic.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ChiGirl

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Sounds scary... Does the group help your daughter at all? What does she have the biggest problem with? At what age was she when you transitioned? I'm just curious you don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable I don't want to cross any personal space.
Happy to help anyway I can.  I'm basically pre-everything.  I'm taking steps to start transition (losing weight, started facial hair removal, growing out my hair), but I'm still presenting male to her. 

I think she's having trouble with seeing her father "pretend" to be a woman.  She seems to think I'm making fun of women by doing this.  But she is trying to be supportive.  She wrote a paper at school about LGBT bullying because she wants to learn more.  She's a passionate kid and she's got a big heart, but she's still trying to figure out what kind of woman she's becoming.. Seeing her dad becoming a woman just confuses it all.

I don't know much about the COLAGE group.  Seems like it's a good resource for her, but she's resisting it.   She doesn't want to talk to people she doesn't know about this.  She won't even go to a therapist. 

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.  I'm not sure my answers will help,  but I'm happy to help. [emoji4]

Good luck and hugs!
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Lost78

Quote from: suzifrommd on May 31, 2015, 04:35:38 AM
I've been full time for nearly two years. I have never seen evidence of someone I meet hating me or wishing ill of me.

I need to characterize your assessment of "the rest of the world" as a bit pessimistic.

Maybe I am a bit pessimistic, I don't know. I've been researching and reading a ton of information online, most things I read are very negative and alarming in regards to hide that transitioned and the "hate" that's portrayed to them. Granted I know not "everyone" is going to hate transgendered individuals, but from what I've read it's a very small minority that "accepts" those that transitioned.
I love with constant judgments on me. I'm a big male, shaved head and tattooed from head to toe with a full beard, so you can imagine the stereotypes and judgments I get. Believe it or not, even I, now, get treated differently and discriminated against.
So I can imagine the trans community has it even worse. You read posts and forums stating "abominations" "freaks" "mentally ill" "sins" "traps" and so on...that's harsh and very scary when one has a family they are trying to protect.
Going from a life where everybody thinks I belong in a prison cause I look like a convict and everyone fearing me, to feminizing myself to everyone thinking I've completely lost it and belong in a mental institute. It's the world we live in I suppose and the ignorance of others. But I still can't stop worrying on the effects it may bring to those around me, and the quality of life we may have.
I guess I need to google. "Benefits of being transgender", to find more optimistic, heart felt posts about the topic, cause the stuff I'm reading isn't all rainbows and kittens.

Again I mean no disrespect to anyone, just merely stating the articles I've been reading hold the trans community in an extremely negative light and the statistics of hate crimes against them is alarmingly high compared to other typical crimes committed against cis gendered individuals.
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Dena

Quote from: Lost78 on May 31, 2015, 10:48:57 AM
Maybe I am a bit pessimistic, I don't know. I've been researching and reading a ton of information online, most things I read are very negative and alarming in regards to hide that transitioned and the "hate" that's portrayed to them. Granted I know not "everyone" is going to hate transgendered individuals, but from what I've read it's a very small minority that "accepts" those that transitioned.
I started living full time in 1979 and while my appearance is pretty good, I am tall and my voice is just below the female register. In those years, I have had a few looks, a few kids, one MTF and a airport security guard show some indication that they knew what I was. At work with jobs I took as a woman, a few coworkers talked with me about the issue after I had been on the job for a while. Never in all these years has anyone attacked me or made a scene that drew other peoples attention. Its all about confidence. I know theses people aren't going to hurt me and if they attempt to, I have had to defend myself enough in my early years(school years) that I know they aren't going to get out of it without pain. I find the public sometimes far to accepting because sometimes I get sloppy and I don't get that feed back I need to clean up my act.

Now there is an exception. Most cities have that part of town you don't go to after dark. They don't get any safer if you are a woman. There is one MTF I know that was murdered and the paper didn't indicate why. Knowing her, she engaged in prostitution and it's very likely the client found out about her.

You have to be relaxed in public and show no signs of nerves. You will only develop this ability with repeated exposure. You must alway address people with a smile on your face as this puts them at ease. Do these things the public will be comfortable with you and you will be comfortable with the public.

Once you get your image down and you accumulate exposure to the public, there is little to worry about. If you have extreme nerves, it may help to go out with one or two other people who are comfortable in public. I did this for my roommate who had a far harder time adjusting to the public. Her nerves got both of us read on a regular bases but I didn't care so I was her rock to hold on to.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Lost78 on May 31, 2015, 10:48:57 AM
Maybe I am a bit pessimistic, I don't know. I've been researching and reading a ton of information online, most things I read are very negative and alarming in regards to hide that transitioned and the "hate" that's portrayed to them.

The Internet often serves as a microscope into the most dysfunctional corners of our society. The vast majority of people I meet are accepting and friendly. Those that aren't, keep their distance. I meet a lot of people who don't understand, but none of it rises to the level of hate.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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LizMarie

Quote from: Lost78 on May 30, 2015, 08:49:26 PM
It's surprising really, how "statistics" claim the kids will be more accepting and better off, yet the rest of the world will hate you and wish ill of you.  :(

It's not the rest of the world. It's a loud, vicious subset of the rest of the world.

It's important to realize that a lot of people support trans folk, another slice just don't care, then there are the haters. And the size of each slice can vary based on where you live. The problem is the haters can be very loud, visible, and obnoxious, and other people tend to shy away because they don't want to stand up for someone else. And that's not just trans folk. It's across the board that people shy away from intervening.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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teddybear_zach

My son was 14 when I went full time. He was and still is very accepting. He even correct his friends when they misgender me. I taught him to be accepting of all people even if he doesnt understand it.
Started T: 10/25/2014
Name Change: 02/28/2015
Hysterectomy(uterus, ovaries/tubes): 04/02/2015
Top Surgery: 12/08/2015
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LizMarie

My children were all well into adulthood when I transitioned. But I do have grandchildren.

Two of them have no idea that I've transitioned because their father, my eldest son, hasn't allowed them to see me in the last three years (three years in July).

My youngest grandchild will never know "him" having been born after I legally transitioned and am full time as myself. My youngest son was initially hostile but we're reconciling, he's introduced me to his son, now 18 months, just this last Christmas and he wants me involved in his child's life.

My daughter has been supportive and has told her oldest child, my oldest granddaughter, who is 15. She was initially a bit confused and skeptical. Then we three went to dinner together, she discovered I liked many of the same things she does such as fashion, makeup, etc., and we bonded very well.

My daughter has not told her 10 year old son, even though she's pretty sure he will handle it fine, but because my eldest son is semi-blackmailing her. My oldest grandchild is close friends with my eldest son's oldest daughter, who is about 9 months younger than her. He has threatened to cut them off as friends if his kids are ever even told that I am transgender and have transitioned. The 15 year old is capable of keeping a secret, hence why she was told. The 10 year old is a typical young boy who just says whatever comes to his mouth. :) Hence not telling him.

I understand the quandary in which she finds herself and I do not object to the choices she has made. She has also said that this too will end eventually, since my eldest son and his wife have been treating her and her husband worse over time as well. (The eldest son is a rigid fundamentalist southern baptist who rails on about "sin" but conveniently forgets some of his own actions over the years.)

Additionally, two of my close friends had a son who was not quite three years old when I began transitioning. He's approaching six now and has seen me go through all of this, both presenting as "him" and as "her". His parents have been absolutely supportive and accepting of me, and like most young kids, he took his cues from them. Since it wasn't a big deal to his mother and father, it wasn't to him. This resulted in the following exchange (paraphrasing from memory since it was about a year and a half ago):

Mother: Liz is coming over for dinner. Do you remember Liz?

Child: I remember Liz! I like Liz! Sometimes Liz is Liz and sometimes Liz is David.

Mother: Does it bother you that sometimes Liz is David?

Child: *looks at his mom like she just asked something crazy and goes back to playing*

She was happy at that, and told me that she thinks her son is perfectly content with me, and is growing up where transition is just something people do if they need to.

In the long run, most children will take cues from the adults around them. If the adults are condemning, fearful, upset, the children will be too. If the adults are accepting, loving, and supportive, the children will be too.

That's not an absolute rule, of course, but it describes the majority of cases very well.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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