do you think the Caitlyn Jenner story will speed the trans revolution

[stephaniec]

all is good, but just like with all the unveiling of heroes there will be increase in FFS surgery within our community. I hope the expectations will be cautiously conservative. The surgery Caitlin had was quite extensive and aggressive, and I'm sure quite costly.
As to the image of a trans woman, any visibility is welcome, as it transforms taboo into normalcy, yet one fact remains, the most successful trans woman out there are the ones no one hears about as they live normal uneventful, basic life's.
there will always be the two fold to the transforming, on one hand greater freedom so necessary to human experience, and those who decide on remaining within trans spectrum, and on the other, totality of immersion, living life in its fullest while believing in nothing short of destination womanhood.

I'd love to have that kind of money just to spend on clothes. It's her money though she's worked for it, but it would be nice.

[Obfuskatie]

Yes, and no. At least now no one can say they don't know a transwoman. Unless they live in a cave. Cave people can say whatever they want in their caves though...


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[stephaniec]

Yes, and no. At least now no one can say they don't know a transwoman. Unless they live in a cave. Cave people can say whatever they want in their caves though...


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yea, the conversations of the men around the poker table drinking shots and beers and the subject of athletes comes up.

[stephaniec]

one thing that's pretty cool is that she's older than me. Gives me strength .

[Squircle]

I think/hope it will do good in the long run, but I'm a little bit nervous about some aspects of it, and I hope the focus moves away from Caitlyn Jenner to the struggles of less famous and wealthy trans people, but I get the feeling that this is going to play out very much in public. If she uses this time to highlight some of the crap trans people go through she could do a lot of good. But I don't know much about her or what kind of person she is; I've intentionally avoided the Kardashian clan as they represent everything I hate about celebrity culture.

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

I think/hope it will do good in the long run, but I'm a little bit nervous about some aspects of it, and I hope the focus moves away from Caitlyn Jenner to the struggles of less famous and wealthy trans people, but I get the feeling that this is going to play out very much in public. If she uses this time to highlight some of the crap trans people go through she could do a lot of good. But I don't know much about her or what kind of person she is; I've intentionally avoided the Kardashian clan as they represent everything I hate about celebrity culture.

Well, yeah, the whole Kardashian thing scares me but, despite that, this is a watershed moment and a very teachable one for most folks. Already, I would gather that there are millions of people who now realize the proper use of the pronouns. (In fact, on CNN, a guy was corrected by the moderator when he referred to Jenner as "he.")
And even before the switch to Caitlin, most journalists that I read pointed out theat Jenner was going by male pronouns. So, in fact, I think we have laready seen change.

Will we see the same kind of shift that happened on the same-sex marriage issue say, ten years from now? Only time will tell. The odd thing about this issue is that many people (like myself) who are trans don't publicly identify as such. (I identify as female) I am rethinking this, however, that, perhaps, stealth is no longer necessary or desirable.

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

I'd love to have that kind of money just to spend on clothes. It's her money though she's worked for it, but it would be nice.

Yes and the surgeries she has had. Having Annie Liebovitz as your photographer doesn't hurt either. (I am not all that impressed by the face work she had done BTW)

[iKate]

all is good, but just like with all the unveiling of heroes there will be increase in FFS surgery within our community. I hope the expectations will be cautiously conservative. The surgery Caitlin had was quite extensive and aggressive, and I'm sure quite costly.
As to the image of a trans woman, any visibility is welcome, as it transforms taboo into normalcy, yet one fact remains, the most successful trans woman out there are the ones no one hears about as they live normal uneventful, basic life's.
there will always be the two fold to the transforming, on one hand greater freedom so necessary to human experience, and those who decide on remaining within trans spectrum, and on the other, totality of immersion, living life in its fullest while believing in nothing short of destination womanhood.

Agreed.

[iKate]

Latest comment from a "friend" misgenders her extensively and said she's still not a woman because she is pre op and has a deep voice. And that's a nice version of what this fool said. But he still says he "supports" me. What the duck is wrong with people???

[Marly]

voice does not woman make, nor does the ...
But, unfortunately, that's something a lot of people will be very slow to accept. Changes in the visual and audial serve a perceptual purpose. Bit being female (or male for the FTM's) is internal..and real..no matter the perceptual status.

[Squircle]

I'm no fan of anyone in that family, but I don't like Caitlyn Jenner's photographs being used to ridicule another woman's looks.

[Emileeeee]

Latest comment from a "friend" misgenders her extensively and said she's still not a woman because she is pre op and has a deep voice. And that's a nice version of what this fool said. But he still says he "supports" me. What the duck is wrong with people???

I just had to unfriend two people on Facebook for stuff like this related to Caitlyn. They were spouting off hate while occasionally inserting the phrase "I'm not judging them". Hypocrite much? It's a shame because we have a small team at work and that was two of them. I guess coming out at work won't be as uneventful as I expected.

[Emily E]

I'm not exactly sure what the trans revolution is (more people transitioning, better medical coverage, legal protections or greater acceptance) but I don't expect that the Caitlyn Jenner story will speed it along.  The problem as I see it is that both cis and non-cis alike cant keep up with the ever changing social/gender landscape that includes transsexuals for example a month ago I only heard the term LBGT then a couple weeks ago I heard the term LBGTQ then a week ago I was reading on the forum here some one used LGBTI then I read another post use LGBTIQ and another LGBTIH and still another GSM which I had to look up when I found that there is also a GSRM and GSD at this point I was confused then I read even another post that had LBGT with what looked like half the alphabet behind it (when and acronym gets to be over 6 characters in length I sort of just ignore it and read on)... I guess my point is that I'm having a hard time keeping up and I actually have an interest in it what is some one who isn't interested in it going to think... will they take the time to even try to follow along and be supportive or will they just give up and fall back into their old habits and views.   

[Jake25]

Yes, I think it will speed up the trans revolution. I have also seen other stories about trans people in the news recently including children.

[rachel89]

I'm sure this will bring the bigots crawling out of woodwork and make the TV preachers a little more rabid than usual at the prospect of increasing trans* acceptance, now that Caitlyn is for real and in their living rooms and not a freak or phony tabloid story. This is good because it shows people were not weirdos or freaks  and it shows people that no matter how hard you try, you cannot just "man up' and make the trans go away as though it were like being out of shape.

[Anastazja]

I sincerely think this will be a positive for the whole community.  It was necessary for someone high-profile to take this step because we kind of need a figurehead.  Of course there have been some hurtful comments and jokes made about Caitlyn, but the information is still so fresh in peoples minds that I think the public is going through a small adjustment period. 

Also, I think her doing a show alongside the Kardashians will be another really good thing; yes, its "The Kardashians," but the thing is that their fame is far-reaching and their audience wide.  We certainly associate that family with vanity and superficiality, but the thing we have to remember is that they are indeed a family and they have trials just like everyone else.  Watching this story play out on both sides of the field in a public fashion is going to be a very positive thing for our community because the general population needs to see it.  Will it be theatrical?  Oh you better believe it.  Will there be highly scripted moments?  For sure.  At the end of the day, it is important to remember that they are now members of our community whether they wanted to be or not and we should be as warm and welcoming to them as we are to any newcomer.  It is easy to forget that they are actual human beings because of the significant level of wealth they have attained, but we do need to remind ourselves that the 'T' word is an indiscriminate wrecking ball; you don't get to pick and choose how your life is affected by coming out, you just have to roll with the punches and deal with it the best you can, which is what I believe the Kardashians have been attempting to do. 

The show is certainly a guilty pleasure of mine, but the level of genuine humanity in it has spiked dramatically since Bruce did his final interview with Diane Sawyer.  They are trying and that is plainly evident to this girl.  Hate them because they are filthy rich, but love them because they are sharing such a beautiful story with the world. 

Just one girls thoughts. 

-Ana 

[V M]

I think that she has definitely made an impact on the transgender community 

[kittenpower]

I think our community should use this to gain more momentum. We need to have several trans themed television series of some kind; Will and Grace was a huge success for LGB folks. We need more trans politicians, and an openly Transgender person as a national news anchor for a major TV network would be nice too.

[kittenpower]

I'm no fan of anyone in that family, but I don't like Caitlyn Jenner's photographs being used to ridicule another woman's looks.

In all fairness, that's just a bad picture of Kris Jenner; she's actually very pretty.

[V M]

I'm no fan of anyone in that family, but I don't like Caitlyn Jenner's photographs being used to ridicule another woman's looks.

Good point - Deriding image removed