prices and comparisons on FFS

[Suzie]

Did you even bother consulting with Speigel, or Leis, or one of the other 5 or 6 now doing boney surgery.  Or was this done years ago, when Z and O were the only ones out there?  Back when O was NOT taking naps and having several meals during surgery and taking HOURS less on each surgery.  Back when he was younger and in his prime and the best. Those days are over.  His surgery practices are putting his patients at risk, he really should retire.   
Alot of what is said on O is on private boards where you will not find anything regarding google searches, and tales of his malpractice in recent years is starting to get around.  For as many fans that he has, there is are people who are very critical, and its not a small number.  Once you find out the details of his problems in recent years, you will realize the criticism. 

Since you went to O, I will chalk you up to the Cult of O group.  Too blinded to really see his very real problems.  To unaware to realize his surgery times are twice as much as any other surgeon.  And honestly, somebody who did not know there are alot of great surgeons outside of O and Z doing boney FFS, who have fewer problems than either of them. 

As many as people THINK O and Z are it as far as FFS, that is no longer the case.  There is over a half dozen surgeons in North America doing similar surgeries at this point, all who are excellent, yet lack the cult like mentality of O. 

You only consulted with two...thus my critique.  People think its just Z and O, Maybe ten years ago that was the case, but that is no longer the case. 

These days he DOES recommend everything.  And you do not regular the private boards, which WILL NOT come up on a google search.  But O does have some of the worst instances of Malpractice...just ask trinity rose.

Hi Amy,

Actually my consult with Dr. Ousterhout was this summer.  And I do visit private boards as I am very interested in this topic, I just don't always post.  Do you have any evidence of malpractice besides Trinity Rose?  Also, I am very interested about these tales of taking naps and eating several meals, that is very interesting.  I've read Trinity's complaints, could you provide anything else besides her testimony?  Women going back for revisions and face-lifts are well-documented, but your specific complaints are not.

Sorry hon, I just question your authority.  You don't seem to have any.  I'm serious enough to have personally visited with more than one surgeon in different parts of the country.  Have you ever stepped foot into a FFS surgeon's office?







 

[seldom]

I am sticking to the east coast.  Dr. Z and Dr. O are going to be avoided completely.
The private boards, the message is clear...there is always a couple of people who know somebody who went to O who had problems.  As much as you may question my authority on this, thats fine.  But O is the subject of scrutiny, and I do not give YOU much credibility because you are part of his cult.
There used to be a site that was taken down that was posted by people who had problems with him.
By the way I have talked to Dr. Leis and Cardanes, and may see Dr. Speigel.  Have not decided entirely yet.  But my facial issues I know are minor, and I know what O would say, he would recommend the works. 
The nap and lunch thing is pretty well known in the field.  You do realize other surgeons do the same surgeries in half the time as O right?  How long were you under 10 hours, 14 hours? 

This is a well known thing in the profession.  O for all of his inovations, takes far too long and SHOULD retire.  He was practicing for 25 years before he started doing FFS and is now is in his seventies.  As much as experience matters in medicine, in surgery there is such a thing as too old, and O is getting too old.  Mistakes increase, problems become more frequent, and the time it takes to do a surgery increases significantly. 

Also the longer you are under the opperating table, the higher the risks.  It is surgeons who can do things effectively and quickly that are sought after.  Speigel performs very similar surgeries to O in 8  hours or less, even when its the works.  Fewer cases of problems too with Speigel.  Did you even see him, or was it just the typical thing of O and Z, because you know...that is all you thought was out there.  Which is a very typical mistake, and yes it is a mistake.

I could go on, but all O cultists are the same.  Pretty ignorant of all the problems the man has.  For everybody else...you were warned.  The man is getting older and should retire, he may be forced too...when somebody ends up in a body bag.

(PS From both that I have spoken too the same thing was said, for me its a hair issue, since I have no problems, so its best I wait a year to 18 months on HRT before seeking anything.  Anything else I do would be cosmetic.  Its not that I look great...just passing is not a huge deal.)

[Suzie]

OK Amy, best of luck with your transition!

Suzie
-- self-appointed leader of the Dr O cultists 

[melissa90299]

OK Amy, best of luck with your transition!

Suzie
-- self-appointed leader of the Dr O cultists 

Another Dr O cultist here!

Posted on: November 13, 2007, 01:12:16 AM

  But my facial issues I know are minor, and I know what O would say, he would recommend the works. 

Of course, because that is most likely what you know deep down you need. I know a lot of girls (me included) who Doug doesn't recommend "the works."

I am glad I stopped living in denial and saw to it to get what I needed.

[kalt]

Taking breaks during surgeries is pretty irresponsible.
But having a surgeon who's been doing this since before many of us were born has its benefits too.

What I'm trying to say is, there's always a good side and a bad side!

[lisagurl]

Taking breaks during surgeries is pretty irresponsible.
But having a surgeon who's been doing this since before many of us were born has its benefits too.

What I'm trying to say is, there's always a good side and a bad side!

There is aways some working on the patient. Doing stitches or other things. It is a team of professionals. For a doctor to take a break or eat is common while the others work especially in a 10 hour procedure.

[Keira]

All surgeons who are able to do facial reconstruction of GG's who had car crashes (which is a very hard job, because nerves and bones are all messed up) are able to do a great job on us. There are plenty of those.

So, I don't get why people think O's has some magical skills ? It defies logic. There's plenty of surgeon with similar or better skills and esthetics.

[Enigma]

All surgeons who are able to do facial reconstruction of GG's who had car crashes (which is a very hard job, because nerves and bones are all messed up) are able to do a great job on us. There are plenty of those.

So, I don't get why people think O's has some magical skills ? It defies logic. There's plenty of surgeon with similar or better skills and esthetics.

Anyone can do a nose job, etc.  For some of the heavier work, I might consider a specialist, but alot of the lesser FFS procedures can be done by anyone.  There are lists online of non-FFS plastic surgeons that have worked well with TSs in the past.

An old roommate of mine (also MtF) got her nose done locally and it looked amazing and was a fraction of what an FFS surgeon would have charged.