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Started by Ekfloyd89, June 17, 2015, 02:19:26 PM

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Ekfloyd89

Hello everyone,
I am at a crossroad and need to get advice from someone not in my friend group or family. Because my family is against me being with my SO (mtf). She has not started hormones yet but is pretty much full time. We have had discussions in the past about children and once she starts hormones we can't. Unless we put the sperm in a sperm bank. Now a little back ground. I have always dated men. I have experimented with women but never actually dated one. When I found out about my so I stayed because I lover her regardless of gender. But the child thing really bothers me. I'm not against adoption but want my own especially with everything we have been through.. But if this is that big of a deal to me does this mean I need to walk away ? We have been together a yr and a half. I can't ask her to wait on the hormones until I get pregnant because I know that's unfair. And we aren't ready atm for a child. I have a hard time with things sometimes and I don't want to walk but idk if I'm setting myself up for failure and just waiting her time to find someone who will accept everything.
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Laura_7

Hello and welcome  :)

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,183837.msg1645823.html#msg1645823

and here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,180045.msg1658077.html#msg1658077

I'd say just take the time you need... talk to each other... read the article in the first link through...

have a big *hug*
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Jacqueline

Ekfloyd,

I am a middle aged MTF, married with teen aged daughters. I am beyond those concerns but am pretty sure I have read that it is common to bank the little swimmers. I am sure others can speak with more authority and may be able to point you in the right direction.

I am not a therapist and don't want to give you bad advice or suggest something that is not true. A close friend or therapist might help you work this out a little better.

If you love her and have no worries physically of the two of you being together, I guess the question would be is she interested in kids too? If so, it seems pretty easy. If that is the only concern, sperm can be banked and she can move onto the HRT. If there are doubts other than that... It seems like you and your SO have some things to talk about. It is a long journey. Many describe it as a marathon.

I wish you luck. Continue to post if you have other questions.

With warmth,
Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Mariah

Hi Ekfloyd89, welcome to Susan's. If your wanting still have them, but don't want her to have to wait around then sperm banking would be your best option. It really does come down to both what you and her need and can live with. I look forward to seeing your around the forums. Good luck and Hugs
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Ekfloyd89

The only big issue with that is its not a guarantee.. And it's expensive. We can only come up with the money for one.. And when that time comes and it doesn't work I don't know how I'm going to react. Because it is a big deal to me. I also have one more issue. She says she wants to be with a woman but doesn't like doing the one thing lesbians do... Which is a big part of their sex life. Which scares me that later on I will find out she wants to be with a man. It just doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone have any insight on that?
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blueconstancy

I don't have and don't want kids, so I'm afraid I don't have any ideas about the main thread.

But for the secondary question, lesbians can do a LOT of things in bed - enough that I'm only about 75% sure I know what you mean by "the one thing lesbians do." :) There are a couple of obvious limitations, but even penetration by a "penis" is possible, just not by an organic penis. I would not assume that her sexual preferences in the literal sense of what she does with a partner reflects anything but her personal taste, or means anything about her sexual preferences in the sense of whom she prefers *as* a partner.

(I don't like oral sex, giving or receiving, if that's what you meant. I'm still 95% attracted to women and have a satisfying sex life with a woman.)
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Laura_7

Quote from: Ekfloyd89 on June 18, 2015, 06:52:47 AM
The only big issue with that is its not a guarantee.. And it's expensive. We can only come up with the money for one.. And when that time comes and it doesn't work I don't know how I'm going to react. Because it is a big deal to me. I also have one more issue. She says she wants to be with a woman but doesn't like doing the one thing lesbians do... Which is a big part of their sex life. Which scares me that later on I will find out she wants to be with a man. It just doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone have any insight on that?
Well it might-just might- work if she gets off hrt for some time. Just as stated in the article, without guarantees. It has worked for other people.

Well what do lesbians do...
depending on her disphoria quite a few things should be possible...
stimulation with fingers...
rubbing on each other... you can look up tribbing...
some people use vibrators when they are together...
there are a lot of ways you can give each other pleasure...

I'd say don't overthink, talk to each other and listen to your feelings...


*hugs*
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Dena

I have questions about this working for both of you but your best hope of making it work will be if both of you work it out in therapy. Your SO may not have looked far enough ahead to decide what she wants out of the future. Had I been in her position, I would have banked sperm because I wouldn't have been sure if I wanted children. A sperm bank is far cheaper than adoption as well as allowing for the biological link to the child. I made the correct decision for me in not banking my sperm but the part of my life that I would like to alter if possible would be to have children. I love them but because of my size, they tend to be a bit slow warming up to me.

The decision for you may come down to your SO without children or finding somebody who is willing to fill the mother need within you. It's going to be a hard decision that both of you need to consider and I wouldn't blame you for deciding this isn't going to work.
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Ekfloyd89

She didn't plan ahead because she is not against adoption because she was adopted. So for her family doesn't mean blood. I agree with this but I want at least 1 biological child. The one reason she agreed to sperm banking is because of me but I know there isn't any excitement behind that like it would be for me because we see things a bit differently. This is the hardest situation I have ever gone through in my life.. My family is against it and so is hers.. All we have are our friends. So it messes with my head sometimes. I try to keep a relationship with my mom who is the one most against it. Constantly putting her down and trying to get me to walk away. It's become where my relationship is totally separate from my family life.. Which is not the way I saw my life going and it makes things that much harder. Because me and my mom use to be really close. I love my SO so much . The thought of walking away kills me. I have done it before for other reasons.. You would have thought I was the one being broken up with because saying it was the hardest thing for me to do.. I cried so hard it was hard for me to even get the words out and express myself. It just like our relationship is one big roller coaster..
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Dena

When I was ready to come out I knew it might be a decision between my happiness or my family. I was fortunate and I was able to have both. As a SO you have been put into the same position by your SO. The only possible solution if you want to bring family along, is to be strong enough to wear them down. Maintain letter or phone contact sometimes for years until the decision is put in their court. They have to decide between maintaining their distance or accepting things the way they are so they can see their grandchildren. If you think it's possible to educate them with a medical explanation we can help in that area but if parents don't want to change, the only option may be to live with things the way they are.
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Ekfloyd89

Its less of her and more of my mom wanting me to have the life I have always talked about. Plus the fact she says I'm not gay so how can I all of a sudden be ok with being a woman. She says I am waiting my time. The time I could use to find a man which is what I have always been with. And she's right I'm not gay. I wouldn't date a woman any other time. But this is different. It's about more than gender to me. I found someone who I love and can 100 % be myself with. Who accepts everything about me. So why would I not do the same. It's just a body part. Not who she is as a person. And as for me being straight she is a tomboy.. So I still get some of those things from her. Our sex life will change a lot when she starts hormones and there after. I won't have that part anymore but I am sure I can handle it. That's what toys are for right.
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Laura_7

There is a biological explanation for being tg, given in the second link above...
So its just how people are, not a whim or whatever preconceived ideas people might have.

Some people write a letter explaining their feelings.

Love is a gut feeling. And people can be happy together. Maybe this could be explained.

Otherwise you might take it one step after the other...
consciously trying to take some of the rolercoaster out...
spending some relaxing time together...

and there might be support groups...

big *hugs*
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blueconstancy

I tell people all the time that orientation labels are supposed to help a person define themselves, not the other way around - if a label doesn't fit, it's not the *person* who's wrong. In other words, you're a straight woman who's involved with a woman, and sometimes that just happens. (I know lesbians who date men, gay men who date women, asexual people who have sex sometimes... sometimes people are fluid and hard to contain within a single label.) Your mother is going to have to accept that you know your own life and desires better than she does.

My mother actually told me to choose between my wife and her. I did; I haven't spoken to Mom in several years now. That's not a fair thing to ask, and the person demanding that you choose is the one you should look at the hardest. Perhaps she means well, but attempting to break up your relationship - a relationship that makes you happy - is not the best way to go about this.
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Dena

A marriage consist of two things, a friendship and a sexual part. The important part is the friendship because even in a CIS couple, they may not always be able to have sex. Also CIS couples don't always do the ten toes up, Ten toes down sex. What happens in your bedroom is your business and not any of ours. I only want you to enjoy it.

The full story on what is gay and what is straight in this type of relationship will turn your logic inside out but does it really matter what label you pin on your self as long as you are happy?

Got to get ready for work. I will check this thread when I am free.
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Ekfloyd89

I really appreciate everyone's advice. It's hard not having really anyone to talk to about this stuff. Here I can talk to people who actually understand and aren't close minded. That's truly what I need in my life!
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blueconstancy

I'm glad it's helping!

I know there are other SOs, as well; hopefully someone besides me will pop in soon. :)
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Laura_7

Quote from: Ekfloyd89 on June 18, 2015, 09:56:11 AM
I really appreciate everyone's advice. It's hard not having really anyone to talk to about this stuff. Here I can talk to people who actually understand and aren't close minded. That's truly what I need in my life!
There might be some tg support groups in your vicinity...
PFLAG might be a good idea...
or there might be a lgbt center...
there should be open minded people there...

and of course you can come here.

*hugs*
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Regina

I don't have much to add, but wanted to echo a few sentiments.

It seems you truly love this person and are happy with your relationship, labels aside. To me, that is the key and what you should hold onto tightly.

As for sex, try not to get hung up on preferences now. Keep an open dialogue. In my experience, it's very fluid as part of a person's medical transition. As they become more comfortable in their own body they enjoy different things in the bedroom. Having a loving, open minded partner really helps with dysphoria (so I am told).

It's a process and definitely roller coaster like. Wait until the hormones start, lol. You seem like you have a great foundation, so enjoy the journey together. Talk A LOT.

You've gotten some sound advice on the family issues so I won't reiterate much there other than keep in mind cis-gendered couples go through the same struggles.

Best of luck!


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