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How do feel when out with someone who is new or less "passable"?

Started by Tessa James, June 19, 2015, 11:24:35 AM

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Cindy

I go out with and counsel lots of girls starting their journey.

I will take them shopping if they wish, I will give them advice, if they wish.

I am in no way at all ashamed of being with people of any gender or sexual orientation. People are people.

We all start somewhere, and on occasion, I'm privileged to be at the start of a new persons exciting beginning of their new life.

As far as I am concerned it is an honour to have that privilege and it is not an honour to be dismissed.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2015, 03:38:31 AM
As far as I am concerned it is an honour to have that privilege and it is not an honour to be dismissed.

^^^
THIS

I haven't yet had that honor, but I've answered lots of questions and tried to make myself available for those who are just starting out. It's the least I could do to pay back the people who were there for me when I was starting out.
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iKate


Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2015, 03:38:31 AM
I go out with and counsel lots of girls starting their journey.

I will take them shopping if they wish, I will give them advice, if they wish.

I am in no way at all ashamed of being with people of any gender or sexual orientation. People are people.

We all start somewhere, and on occasion, I'm privileged to be at the start of a new persons exciting beginning of their new life.

As far as I am concerned it is an honour to have that privilege and it is not an honour to be dismissed.

So true, Cindy.

I told my job that if anyone else comes out as trans that I would be willing to offer a helping hand and a shoulder to cry on. I consider it an honor to help a sister or brother find their true selves, as others have done for me.
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Lynne

As I am involved in the work of the biggest trans* organization in the area it is "part of the job" to go out with various trans* people and encourage them to go out.
Sometimes some of them do not fit the stereotypical gender binary for whatever reason so people notice them.
My only concern is to keep them safe and happy when we are out.

I know how hard it was for me to take the first steps and I'm happy to help anyone who needs a little encouragement to move forward. It is so good to see when all these people realize that they don't have to hide in the corner and that they can happy being out and themselves.
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Lynne

Quote from: Nicole on June 20, 2015, 03:25:38 AM
I've always said the easiest way to get clocked is by being seen with other trans women.

That's maybe true in some cases but not always.
We were out with my girlfriend and two other girls(we are all MtF) and one of them did something stupid which caught the attention of two foreign big guys so they came over there and started to yell at us in broken English and told us if it would ever happen again they would beat us.
The situation quickly calmed down but they wouldn't leave us alone and started to ask questions.
Soon they asked why are these two boys are wearing women's clothes. They tried to explain them that they are transgender without much success. The two guys never realized that we are trans* as well, we were just ordinary girls in their eyes even though we are far from perfect ourselves.
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Marly

I did, a few months ago, go out "on the town" with two other people. One was a transwoman (not on HRT at the time), the other CIS female, and I was in male mode. We went to a restaurant to eat, and then to a trans-friendly nightclub here. Unfortunately, the transwoman had been drinking earlier and was literally outing herself as we ate at the bar in the restaurant. In that semi-drunk loud voice she kept asking us other two "do I look like a woman? and proclaiming "I have it down..I look like a woman! etc.  It drew some looks at the bar. But not a big scene. I guess I was more annoyed that she was drunk and acting obnoxious than anything else (I'm a non-drinker)  That was the only part that bothered me really. It didn't occur to me there, but I wondered later, if the event didn't errantly get me clocked as a transmale. But that didn't bother me either.
Of course the club was fine, and I just kicked back with my diet coke, but at one point she did ...now being even more drunk.. make a sexual advance to me, which I had to pleasantly decline. That bothered me mostly because I was afraid I had hurt her feelings. (but I bet she didn't even remember it the next day) It's not a trans-phobia thing tho.  I just don't feel anything more than friendship with this particular individual.
I guess the point I'm making with this post, is that for me it seems that how a person acts matters more than what they look like. Next bold step for me is to go out as Marly, but hopefully not with someone who has been drinking all afternoon before.  :)
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Andre87

I was in such situation.Yes,people starred at us but I would do it again for my friend.The only concern is safety,so I would avoid dark streets without people.
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Dena

I have been in that position and I am very comfortable with myself so even if I spot the look, I don't feel it applies to me. Years of being in the public means I don't fear the public and if I remain comfortable the viewer will always have doubt in their mind. On the other hand the person I am with may get uncomfortable drawing interest and confirming the viewer's suspicions but isn't that why we do this in the first place? Now I do have limits as to were I would take such a person. If I have a place such as work where I am not out, then we don't go there but there are many other places we can go.
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In my minimal experience, the passers just mingle with cis-friends.

The non-passers go to gay bars and support groups.

I think the most awesome trans people do both :P


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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: Ⓥ on June 20, 2015, 03:38:58 PM
In my minimal experience, the passers just mingle with cis-friends.

The non-passers go to gay bars and support groups.

I think the most awesome trans people do both :P

I have seen the same thing. Even though a pass extremely well, one of the reasons I do go to support groups is to help others. It's my way of giving back to the community that helped me when I started out. I've been able to help others with things from confidence to name and gender maker changes. Gay bars are fun if there is dancing, but I don't care for drinking, but I do enjoy hanging out with people.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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Swayallday

I just want to find some cheerful people.
Had great success in gay/bi community and had lotsa fun

trans a tad harder but I get that, it isn't easy.

I don't know any trans :'( but i'd be so proud that they are out and themselves.

Passing can go blow one!
I'm used to people giving me looks haha
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Tessa James

It feels encouraging and empowering to hear from so many of you who are not hung up on the status and appearance vs the need for supporting each other and understanding the diversity within our own community. 

Our Lower Columbia Gender Alliance had a social at our place last night with people of all kinds just sharing food, ping pong and a walk down the trail.  One of the best aspects of this, for me, is to recognize the different journeys we are on and the progress we make by simply sharing a laugh around the fire.

Community rocks!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Sammy

I never met any transgender person who was new - it's either people who are done with transition and just living their lives, or nontransitioners or people who were before everything and were not taking any steps. Though, I have to admit that if I was asked to go out with transpeople - passable or not - I would think that offer over and oer and be quite hesitant... being trans is just a medical condition, just like Asperger, ADHD or hundreds of others.... it does not mean that just because someone else is trans too, we should hang out together.
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Swayallday

Certainly not but they flock to forums just like anyone else, be it out of curiosity or out of social needs
Everyone wants to belong somewhere :P
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Tessa James

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on June 21, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
being trans is just a medical condition, just like Asperger, ADHD or hundreds of others.... it does not mean that just because someone else is trans too, we should hang out together.

Hey Emily,

I write no prescriptions for anyone else or the life they lead.  No should about it.  Some of us are just a lot more social than others.  I grew up in a family of 15 and love having people around.  I can also spend days comfortably alone but I needed to learn that.  I also find I learn so much more from those who have traveled a different path and are willing to share.

Community is what we make for ourselves and need not be an invitation only event ;D
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Tessa James

On the flip side of this question; I have also been the "new" one and been out with the T Girls of Portland.  Some of them can make me feel like a total slacker with the amount of work they put in to their presentations.   Different strokes for different folks ;D

I also notice one my bothers tends to walk and stand a lot farther apart from me now and I think that is sort of funny.  Trans may be a medical condition to some but it is not inherited or particularly infectious ;D ;D
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Sammy

Quote from: Tessa James on June 21, 2015, 11:36:45 AM
Hey Emily,

I write no prescriptions for anyone else or the life they lead.  No should about it.  Some of us are just a lot more social than others.  I grew up in a family of 15 and love having people around.  I can also spend days comfortably alone but I needed to learn that.  I also find I learn so much more from those who have traveled a different path and are willing to share.

Community is what we make for ourselves and need not be an invitation only event ;D

Indeed so, but I could hardly describe the environment I am in as having any sort of community. We just had the Europride event and the workshop about transgender issues was largely attended by LGB folks. Which is kind of self-evident in terms of description. I tried several times to come up with something but I am tired of trying to be one person's orchestra when it comes to transgender activism. If nobody needs those efforts then so be it. Sorry to sound too harsh, but that is the reality for me.
Or maybe I am this way because I learned everything myself through mistakes and trials -people here either tried to scam me from money by offering prescriptions, or gave wrong sorts of advise, or openly made offers of favours in exchange for sex.
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Jessica Merriman

I gladly accept and support all of my trans brothers and sister when out no matter what level they are at or passibility. To do any less is to deny their struggles, pain and Dysphoria. I ever see anyone I know who is trans who DOES NOT support them I will call you out publicly. We have all been there!
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Tessa James

I can only imagine what it feels like to be on your side of the pond and eastern Europe.  Thanks for being a vanguard girl!

Some one is always first.  I recall trying a weak and failed transition in the early 90s here and found no other transgender transtioners around.  Cool crossdressers yes, but no therapists, medical people or "out" transgender people were obvious to me then.  Hopefully the numbers of visible and supportive people will grow.  Whether we are out or not the demographics suggest WE are here.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Tessa James

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 21, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
I gladly accept and support all of my trans brothers and sister when out no matter what level they are at or passibility. To do any less is to deny their struggles, pain and Dysphoria. I ever see anyone I know who is trans who DOES NOT support them I will call you out publicly. We have all been there!

Welcome back you shy lady ;D ;D  I see you on FB but appreciate your presence here.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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