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Started by Ryan1987, June 18, 2015, 07:15:55 PM

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Ryan1987

I'm Ryan ftm and I kept myself hidden cause I didn't understand myself. So at 24 I came out as who I am and people were excepting. I am going slow through transitioning taking one step at a time. Well anyways I got married and my wife excepted and she told me don't live in fear. And I'm  like yes finally someone could love me as me. Well my wife started talking about kids and that's when it hit the depression. Yeah don't get me wrong I want to have kids it's just I'll never know the experience of being able to do that with my wife. I can match my outsides with my mind but I'll never have the full function of a guy. I would attempt suicide again but I am married now so she is what's stopping me from just ending it all. Maybe I'll come out right in the next life.

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Andre87

Ryan,the most important fact is that she loves you.You two have a family.She can use sperm donnor(both of you can choose him).Remember it's not enough to concieve a child...PARENT is person who RAISES CHILD,teaches him system of values and priorities,not to fall in traps,to analyze situation carefully,and develop his abilities and talents..
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Mariah

Hi Ryan, welcome to Susan's. It's wonderful your to here she is so accepting. Congrats. I look forward to seeing you around the forums. Good luck and Hugs
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Laura_7

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,184963.msg1644776.html#msg1644776
There are helplines given there...
if you feel like it please reach out...
glbthotline.org/hotline.html
they also have a chat
translifeline.org

And if you are depressed you should look for counseling immediately...
you might pick someone who has, amongst others, gender on their list...
if its connected with depression it might be covered...

There was an article that it might be possible to produce egg cells from the skins of cis men within two years, so that gay cis men can have children...
who knows what will be possible in a few years for trans people...

You should look for a counselor to help with depression and see you trough this, step by step...
just keep at it, countless others have succeeded, too...

try to do a few things to keep you motivated (within reason)...

a bit of fresh air and a bit of exercise might help... taking a walk for a few minutes, or a few situps a few times a day...
and healthy nutrition, not too much sugar or high sugar drinks...

and look for a counselor...

have a big *hug*
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suzifrommd

Ryan, a lot of men, cis and trans, for all sorts of reasons can't father children in the traditional way. Many of them have marvelous experiences of fatherhood that are no less valid.

Acceptance is a long road, but the alternative is despair, so it's worth it to travel that road.

It's helped me to pray to accept that I'll never be pregnant, never give birth, never breastfeed, never experience motherhood hormones. I'm not much into God, so I prayed to me inner strength. It seems to work just as well. I found myself feeling in sisterhood with all the millions of cisgender and transgender women who have the same limitations.

Can you do that? Can feel in brotherhood with all the millions of men, cis and trans, for whom fatherhood will not happen through intercourse and conception?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Ryan1987

It's hard because knowing that you should've been born in a certain way and you come out completely opposite and not really knowing why you have the mind of a man or woman. Then society sucks because a lot of people go by society rules and how things should be. And if certain people don't like the way you are ,you get you have to worry about am I going to get harassed bullied or beaten today what will I face today for being me. I was reading more about surgeries and hormone treatments and there's nothing wrong with that but it's like trans have to do so much and sometimes it isn't enough cause in the back of your  head you have a past of being something you were never comfortable with in the first place. It's really hard. I applaud the people who can go through surgeries and be happy. But I over analyze things a lot. At 23 I got diagnosed with a heart condition where my heart creates blood clots so I'm probably not even healthy enough to go through hormone therapy. I gott dealt with a bad hand in life. I don't know where to begin. I knew I was different at the age of 4 I remember thinking I wanted to be a boy. And even back then I was going through things cause my mom would say quit acting like a boy. Life is tough and the people that can make it through it i applaud you guys as well.

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natashaX

Full function of a guy is over rated trust me
I speak with lots of cis het men and talk to them openly
About my sexuality and all
And they are in awe...how the big O for me is much suoeirior
Now. And theirs well sorry to come off as a bit sexist
But I start to see men as kind of a simple machine
And they are so focused and spend so much energy on a orgasm
That kind of is like pop its done
And I kind of understand its gid and all
But few men actually want to get a woman pregnant
They want all the benefits but fir the most part marriages fail
Because the love was not love
He wanted to get off and she got preggers
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Ryan1987

Quote from: natashaX on June 18, 2015, 10:57:27 PM
Full function of a guy is over rated trust me
I speak with lots of cis het men and talk to them openly
About my sexuality and all
And they are in awe...how the big O for me is much suoeirior
Now. And theirs well sorry to come off as a bit sexist
But I start to see men as kind of a simple machine
And they are so focused and spend so much energy on a orgasm
That kind of is like pop its done
And I kind of understand its gid and all
But few men actually want to get a woman pregnant
They want all the benefits but fir the most part marriages fail
Because the love was not love
He wanted to get off and she got preggers
Hi ! I am one of the few men that actually cares a lot about women. I'll admit I was a bit of a player when I was younger and i thought i would never settle down but then i started to realize that i didnt like feeling alone and i didnt like the feeling of messing with girls hearts and emotions. So i quit being stupid. now I put women first. When I first started dating my wife i was stoked because we had so much in common and I started to realize I can't lose her. I admit I'm a jerk. I didn't think about myself anymore all I could care about was what can I do for her and I kind of spoiled her, but I always set my feelings aside and make sure she's ok her needs and wants always comes first. The day we got married the happiest day of my life. And she wants kids and I'm all for it I can't wait for it but I'm just saying I wish it could be me that can do it for her. But my best bud said he would donate for her  and I'm thankful for that because he's like my brother we grew up with each other for 17 years. I'm going to love my daughter or son no matter what.

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sam1234

Hey Ryan. I can tell you from first hand experience that not having your genes won't make a child any less yours. I transitioned at 26, dated a woman for two years and then married her. We had a son by AI with donor sperm. I was there for every AI procedure until one took, there when my son was born and got up for every feeding both when my wife was breast feeding and later bottle feeding.

There are plenty of cis guys who can't have kids because they either don't have good sperm or because his sperm and her ova just don't work well together.  I don't love my son any less just because he doesn't carry my genes. When you go through AI, you pick the donor. The Dr. sits down with you and your wife and you go through an interview about your education and family backgrounds, interests, just about everything. They take your appearances into consideration as well. From that interview, they look through the records of all the sperm donors and come up with someone who matches you and your wife most closely in looks, education, body type etc. and shows you several choices. No names, just numbers. You pick a first, second and third choice. Sometimes the first donor doesn't work so they want you to have back ups. The goal is to help you have a child that will most closely fit you and your families.

To get rid of the impersonal aspect, we made each AI attempt into a date. We would go there for the procedure which doesn't take long. Afterwards, we would go to a favorite restaurant for a quiet, intimate dinner, go home and make love. Having a child through AI doesn't have to be a cold, clinical thing. Its not as spontaneous as having one naturally, but you can make it what you want.

My marriage didn't last, but it was because my ex decided that transmen were not really men, but that didn't change the fact that my son is mine. Looking at him, you wouldn't know he doesn't have my genes, he looks like a composite of my ex and myself.

As for what its like to be the child, I can't tell you about being the son of a transgendered parent, (by the way, we never told him as it doesn't effect him), I can tell you what its like to have parents who don't share your genes. I was adopted at 6 weeks. My adoptive parents are the only parents I have ever known and I don't care to meet  or know who my biological parents are. Fathering a child or delivering one doesn't make you a parent. Its what you do after the child is in this world. One of my brothers is adopted and the other is a natural. (it was one of those failure to conceive so lets adopt and then of course my mother then became pregnant). We were told we were adopted right from the beginning, so early I can't remember ever not knowing. It just doesn't make a difference.

Not being able to father a child doesn't make you less of a man. If you want a child, go for it.

sam1234
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Ryan1987

Quote from: sam1234 on June 19, 2015, 01:03:38 AM
Hey Ryan. I can tell you from first hand experience that not having your genes won't make a child any less yours. I transitioned at 26, dated a woman for two years and then married her. We had a son by AI with donor sperm. I was there for every AI procedure until one took, there when my son was born and got up for every feeding both when my wife was breast feeding and later bottle feeding.

There are plenty of cis guys who can't have kids because they either don't have good sperm or because his sperm and her ova just don't work well together.  I don't love my son any less just because he doesn't carry my genes. When you go through AI, you pick the donor. The Dr. sits down with you and your wife and you go through an interview about your education and family backgrounds, interests, just about everything. They take your appearances into consideration as well. From that interview, they look through the records of all the sperm donors and come up with someone who matches you and your wife most closely in looks, education, body type etc. and shows you several choices. No names, just numbers. You pick a first, second and third choice. Sometimes the first donor doesn't work so they want you to have back ups. The goal is to help you have a child that will most closely fit you and your families.

To get rid of the impersonal aspect, we made each AI attempt into a date. We would go there for the procedure which doesn't take long. Afterwards, we would go to a favorite restaurant for a quiet, intimate dinner, go home and make love. Having a child through AI doesn't have to be a cold, clinical thing. Its not as spontaneous as having one naturally, but you can make it what you want.

My marriage didn't last, but it was because my ex decided that transmen were not really men, but that didn't change the fact that my son is mine. Looking at him, you wouldn't know he doesn't have my genes, he looks like a composite of my ex and myself.

As for what its like to be the child, I can't tell you about being the son of a transgendered parent, (by the way, we never told him as it doesn't effect him), I can tell you what its like to have parents who don't share your genes. I was adopted at 6 weeks. My adoptive parents are the only parents I have ever known and I don't care to meet  or know who my biological parents are. Fathering a child or delivering one doesn't make you a parent. Its what you do after the child is in this world. One of my brothers is adopted and the other is a natural. (it was one of those failure to conceive so lets adopt and then of course my mother then became pregnant). We were told we were adopted right from the beginning, so early I can't remember ever not knowing. It just doesn't make a difference.

Not being able to father a child doesn't make you less of a man. If you want a child, go for it.

sam1234
I had a long talk with my wife and  you guys are right. Of course I would love my child unconditionally. I suffer from clincal depression. So sometimes I see things in a negative way when I should realize that I have a wife that loves me and wants to give me the chance to raise a child with her. Sometimes I can be very critical of myself when I know I shouldn't be.  I'm happy that your son looks like you and you have him in your life.

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Mysteryman

I get depressed about this issue too. But just think of how many married cis guys are out there that are sterile and can't produce offspring. It doesn't make you any less of a man.
On, still on, I wandered on,
And the sun above me shone;
And the birds around me winging
With their everlasting singing
Made me feel not quite alone.

Christina G. Rossetti
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