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Started by Picklehorse, July 16, 2015, 05:18:32 PM

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Picklehorse

Hello peeps,

I started on HRT this week (yay me!) and I was just wondering if anyone has come to a consensus on these issues?  I'm continuing to cycle to work everyday and run 4 times a week; will this negatively affect my muscle atrophy, particularly in my legs?

And I'm so hungry since starting, but should I hold back or is my body telling me it needs building blocks for the roller-coaster ride I've embarked on?



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Laura_7

Its well possible your body builds up fat (hopefully in the right places... boobs and hips...) .

You might think about healthy and high quality fats (maybe even organic...)...
one hint was avocado oil...
a doctor advised it for adolescent girls because of a favourable mixture of fats and further substances...

Concerning muscles, it might help keeping a well toned body if exercises are not too long...


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steyraug96

Well, OBVIOUSLY, BOTH!  ;-)

I'm not 100% sure how you can get from where you are to where you want to be, though.
So, let's talk about ME, because I can make points without sounding nasty.

Start point: Born male, so far as we know - no genetic checks.
5'9" (almost)
240#, with weight varying from 180 - 240 a few times over the last 10+ years, call it.

Diet doesn't do squat for me so far. I eat like a bird, I lose nothing. I eat like a pig, I MIGHT gain a bit.
So for me, it's a question of (in order), EXERCISE, then, Good Diet.

I've been looking at things like Banting (ketogenic diet), high protein/low carb (Atkins being poster child, Paleo close second). But again, up until VERY recently - if I ate a lot, I didn't gain much (on a per-week basis); if I starved myself...  Well, ate a bit less? No losses.

The only way I've been able to reliably lose weight and keep weight off is to be active - which is a MAJOR accomplishment for an IT specialist.  ;-)

You sound like you're doing a lot to make the exercise part of the equation part of life. So you got the tough part (for me) down...  You could tweak it by adding High Intensity Interval Training, or just High Intensity Training for strength training - be cautious what and how, but build the muscles you need (I'm guessing, gluteals especially gluteus medius; quads, since many women are quad-dominant; lower back, mostly erector spinae, IIRC; and some ab work, meant to cause toning, not mass gains. And nothing for arms, mostly - they'll probably get all you'd want from changing weights.  ;-)  )

For me, I loved weights.  LOVE being strong - I was the "wimp" in grade school, so...  Yeah, no details, just - I like being physically strong. Not BIG - just STRONG. 
But I blew out BOTH shoulders about two months ago - not sure how, if it's rotator cuff or deltoids or some combination. But it means essentially, NO arm activities with weights. So I went to doing some yoga every other day...  And I'm down to 221 as of this morning (from 240 two months back).  No muscle atrophy I can see; 0.5% body fat reduction...  And doing a high-fat approach, which is nice and filling. Bulletproof coffee (Use salted butter, and don't bother with the brand-name beans and such) makes for a great filler... 

So, coming back to your questions:
- if you don't want muscles to atrophy, use them.
     + Biking, walking will keep tone
     + Lifting (heavy squats, esp, front squats to emphasize quads; butt exercises to target gluteal group, esp
          gluteus medius, to get more of a "hippy" shape; MAYBE a set of deadlifts, depending on your back strength,
          and ab/core exercises to pull in the obliques. Use hooks for the deadlifts so your forearms don't grow too
          much. Figure high intensity exercises for maybe half an hour? that means heavy where you need to build
          size, in sets of 10; and then lighter stuff as needed for balance, toning, weight management.

Can't say enough good stuff about Yoga. Been doing Ashtanga, and one called "yoga for weight loss" (target and Walmart have the disk), which is REALLY good for sweating out the excess, apparently. 

diet-wise, EAT MORE / EXERCISE MORE.  What has worked best for me is keeping a calorie count and eating count, and ignoring the desire to snack. I get frustrated, I want cookies. They're downstairs, a short elevator trip away...
So, instead, I eat more fat - cheese, for example, or cream or full-fat milk. I track that carefully....  I'm not hungry if I've had enough fat in my diet. Bulletproof coffee, again. Lots of fat, keeps the body burning fat for energy.  NO carbs, essentially, and NO grains. That includes cookies, crackers, pasta, rice, and sugars - all of which do bad things to insulin...  More insulin = store fat. control insulin = keep body in fat-burning state (low insulin.) 
:-)

Also, when you do a strength workout - don't do post-workout nutrition "right."  No shake, no sugar.  the body will be in a catabolic state (burning muscle). Let it sit there for a little bit. Half an hour or an hour later, have your shake or real food, and keep going from there.  And lots of stretching, too. Stretch whatever you were working.  :-)

I figure if I can keep that approach up for three weeks out of every month, I should be down in the 190# range by Christmas.  :-D   And hopefully get down into the 20% BF range, too.

Now, the first time I lost the fat, it took two years, and I remember being on the treadmill thinking I was starting to look good...  "Man, I'll look hot when I put on a bra now!"  ;-)

Yeah, you know you're Trans when....  ;-)
20 years later, life really got in the way of life, but we just keep going, right?  :-)

Good luck, keep a journal, and post back with success!  :-)
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Picklehorse

Thank you so much Stey for your answer - sorry it's taken so long to respond.

Some background on me:

I had what the therapist tells me was classic overcompensation. From the age of 18 I tried and tried, without much success, to gain muscle in the gym and attempted to be as stereo-typically masculine as I could. But I was a twig and the only person I was fooling with my 'manliness' was myself. Everyone else (I'm told now) saw me as an occasionally camp gay man that exercised a lot.

It wasn't until I went to Afghanistan for the first time (when I was 29) that suddenly the testosterone seemed to want to play ball and I started making some limited gains. But I had to work damn hard every day, not at the gym, but in the dining hall. I literally had to force feed myself calories to succeed in my goal and it was that way ever after, finally getting to 185lbs at 6'.

When I finally admitted to myself that I was trans (at 35), I reveled in how difficult putting on muscle had been for me and simply stopped eating the enormous amounts of food I had to put away to maintain my weight.  And since starting AA therapy in April this year, the weight has fallen off and revealed in some parts - that skinny frame that i remember from my early Twenties. I am down to 145lbs in just 3 months - I have not done anything drastic, just simply started part time veganism (with the occasional slip into vegetarianism / pescatarian on my spoil day on Saturdays).

But the problem is my legs. It's not that it isn't budging, the muscle is atrophying, but really really slowly. My questions are mainly to do with this. I look out of proportion! Rationally, I know that this could just take time and I should be patient, but the amount of running and cycling I do has me concerned that I'm actually maintaining this muscle as a consequence. I wanted to know if this is common, or if I should try to think of other ways to remain active that don't concentrate so much on my lower body?


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Sigyn

OMG, thank you for this.

My problem is that in my 20's, I was a pretty big powerlifter, at 5'5 and 220#, I was putting up some impressive numbers. However, I >hated< the whole "macho gym culture" thing. Furthermore, it was really hard being a 'bro', when I would jealously look at the incredibly fit women in the gym.

Now I'm 46, the same height and weight, but obviously that weight has lowered about 10 inches. :P

The problem is that I had forgotten how to essentially lift. I tried to start doing the high rep/low weight with sets, but for some reason I am not getting the results I want.

Here's the thing, the base where I work out (Davis-Monthan AFB) has a female personal trainer there. Today, I consider myself 3/4-time, and pre-HRT (so excited to start soon... letter is being drafted now!). I want to connect with the only female trainer there for guidance on body transformation, but I don't know how to broach the subject. I present as male all the time when I'm on a military installation. The reason being is that I don't want to have any blowback on my wife, who is currently a servicemember in a fairly sensitive area of work.

Do my sisters have any suggestions on how to approach this personal trainer to discuss my goals and where I am?
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