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Are you LEGALLY a woman?

Started by tinkerbell, August 14, 2007, 02:49:07 AM

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cindybc

Hi Berliegh
Heck I sometimes had people mistaken my gender identity before I even transitioned. So I just stepped out of my apartment one morning as Cindy and all my boss was concerned about was my safety. Not a word has ever been said about my other gender ID, As far as I'm concerned that morning I walked out as me and never looked back. I felt much like the lady in the song Harper Vally PTA. Well here it is going on 8 years later SRS behind me, traveled over half the US and have moved from Ontario to British Columbia and not a nasty word ever said to me. Of course I'm an easy person to get along with. I believe I have a wonderful outgoing personality. I like to laugh and joke around just as much as any other in my company.  ;D 

Cynthia   
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Berliegh

Quote from: cindybc on September 06, 2007, 03:39:24 AM
Hi Berliegh
Heck I sometimes had people mistaken my gender identity before I even transitioned. So I just stepped out of my apartment one morning as Cindy and all my boss was concerned about was my safety. Not a word has ever been said about my other gender ID, As far as I'm concerned that morning I walked out as me and never looked back. I felt much like the lady in the song Harper Vally PTA. Well here it is going on 8 years later SRS behind me, traveled over half the US and have moved from Ontario to British Columbia and not a nasty word ever said to me. Of course I'm an easy person to get along with. I believe I have a wonderful outgoing personality. I like to laugh and joke around just as much as any other in my company.  ;D 

Cynthia   

Long before I ever started transition I was taken as female most of the time and pulled up and even questioned when I had a male bank card and ID and asked 'Where did you get that', it's a man's card', did you steal it'?.....but there is also a flip side...

I've read a lot of stories about Transsexuals in the U.K who are far less fortunite and have been through the whole GRS route and changed all their legal documentation only to get thrown out of a ladies toilet and pub as their were complaints that 'men' were in the ladies toilet. The Transsexuals went to court but lost their case.....This proved that the legal documentation didn't help or support them in any way.

Unfortunitely the true sad reality is that people are still taken at face value no matter what paperwork they may have.
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Melissa

Quote from: Berliegh on September 06, 2007, 04:48:14 AMUnfortunitely the true sad reality is that people are still taken at face value no matter what paperwork they may have.
Which can actually be an advantage to some people.
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cindybc

Well nobody seems to have given this face a second look. I am 62 years old and some say I look some 20 years younger then my real age but I am certainly nothing exceptional.

Cindy
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Berliegh

I prefer to look physically a women more than being interested in bits of paper which do not always help the individual....see my earlier post for details..
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cindybc

Hi Berliegh

Judging by your Avatar I would say that you should pass easily enough. You take into consideration as to how many GG's out there that appear androgynous or even more male looking then feminine. Many people out there don't think at all and wouldn't notice a  pterodactyl standing in the middle of main street with it's wings fully extended out shrieking at them. Most folks live in a very small box and don't take much notice as to their surrounding and the ones that do notice don't give a damn. It is mostly on how you present yourself. I mean if you present yourself as your true self *the woman within* you will get mammed by those who do notice. Just one word of caution, never go for a walk on a down town street after dark when most stores are closed. There are some undesirables that haunt the streets after dark. Your coming out and how it will work out depends greatly on attitude and how you present yourself.   

I was fortunate that I grew up mostly in the care of  my mom and I idolised here and I remember thinking how she looked so much like a princes when she would get all dressed up to go out.  I think she suspected or knew about who I was from birth. Back in those days it was not uncommon for a mother to let their boys hair grow long from birth. I have a very good memory of my early childhood and I can still remember with clarity from the age of three when there were times my mom dressed me in girls clothes and proudly paraded me before her friends, and that was also not uncommon in those days.. So I was sometimes my moms suck as well as her little girl. When I turned six years old, school age, I had to get my long locks cut off at a barbershop, and how I cried over loosing my hair.  Of course I was very close to my mom and I followed her around the house like  I was her shadow and I picked up many things from her, like not just chores but cooking, cleaning the house and doing the laundry as well I  also inherited many of her mannerisms as I grew up. After I transitioned I just let those mannerisms come to the surface.

I had my second experience at being a girl when I ran away from home and joined up with some hippies. I had my dark brown hair back long again, butt length to tell the truth, and at fifteen years of age I very much still had the feminine features and with my half way voice everyone thought I was a girl and I certainly wasn't about to disappoint them of the notion. I lived in a commune as a girl for a year and a half and in the meantime I fell head over heals in love with this tall skinny kid with long blond hair and a small goatee under his chin. I remember how it reminded me of a billy goat. But then unfortunately fantasies don't last forever and I had to go back home. 

I must admit it takes a lot of guts to come out even with the short term previous experiences I fortunately acquired, It was still a scary proposition for me. It didn't mater to me what anyone said or didn't say in the end you are the only one who has to make the decision to be her and live as her, and once out there is simply no turning back and if you truly are transsexual I guarantee you you will not have any desire to go back, it's a one way street. If I had known what I know now back in my teens I would probably have transitioned right there and then. But the thing is there just wasn't much of any kind of support for transitioning in those days, if any at all.  But believe me the longer you sit on the fence the harder it will be to get off that fence. I wish I would have done it year ago, but since I didn't I will savor every second of what's left of my life living it as who I am.  I also had the experience of playing the roll of being a *mother* to 11 children through the years and now I am a *grandmother* of six.

Sorry if this got a little long and all over the map but I guess I could say that I have just told another part of Cindy's story.  ;D

And I want to thank you kids so much for for taking time to read this, hmmm like spilt ink on a map. 
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Berliegh

Quote from: cindybc on September 09, 2007, 07:14:27 AM
Hi Berliegh

Judging by your Avatar I would say that you should pass easily enough. You take into consideration as to how many GG's out there that appear androgynous or even more male looking then feminine.

fortunitely I do pass. that was exactely my point......I'm very lucky, I have never needed bits of paper...... ....but the one's who do usually get a raw deal and they get thrown lot of ladies toilets and changing rooms despite going through GRS and carrying legal documentation. The paperwork doesn't help them, I've witnessed these cases in the U.K and know these girls who went to court and lost their case.

We need to look at this again and deal with the real issue's behind why  paperwork like the 'Gender recognition bill' is needed.......
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cindybc

Hi Berliegh

Oh yes I am quite aware of those that have had problems  even with proof of identity. I guess like you, I was lucky that way and I have never ad any problems with using the ladies room.. I did get all of my documents changed to the proper gender after SRS but I am still thankful that I have never had to find out if they would be accepted in such cases as you mention.

I pray I never have to find out so fare the only reason I have had to use my ID is for crossing the border, to fill out certain forms or documentations or for renewal of drivers licence and such. I guess all one can do is to send prayers to Great Spirit for the safe keeping of these girls. Sometimes that is all one can do for others is to pray for them.

Cynthia 
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Berliegh

Quote from: cindybc on September 09, 2007, 09:20:03 AM
Hi Berliegh

Oh yes I am quite aware of those that have had problems  even with proof of identity. I guess like you, I was lucky that way and I have never ad any problems with using the ladies room.. I did get all of my documents changed to the proper gender after SRS but I am still thankful that I have never had to find out if they would be accepted in such cases as you mention.

I pray I never have to find out so fare the only reason I have had to use my ID is for crossing the border, to fill out certain forms or documentations or for renewal of drivers licence and such. I guess all one can do is to send prayers to Great Spirit for the safe keeping of these girls. Sometimes that is all one can do for others is to pray for them.

Cynthia 

Sorry Cindy, I should have mentioned I had changed most ofl my documentation in 2003 (Driving licence, passport, national insurance, bank cards/accounts, hospital number, voting documents etc), the only thing that hasn't been changed is my birth certificate. It doesn't bother me as no one has ever asked to see it.......

I got so much hassle in supermarkets when I still had male bank card and staff asking me where I got them from. Once I got arrested and they said 'it's a man's card', did you steal it'.......so it's the flip side to most TS experiences...... so I had to change them to female to avoid any more questioning or hassle.
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cindybc

Hi Berliegh

I to and all on the same day. I got all the forms I required and got money orders to cover the fee and sent them all out the same day. Sheeeeesh can you imagine me, who hates paperwork doing all that in one day? I would sooner walk through a bed of coals then do paperwork.

Cindy
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Berliegh

Quote from: cindybc on September 10, 2007, 04:59:01 AM
Hi Berliegh

I to and all on the same day. I got all the forms I required and got money orders to cover the fee and sent them all out the same day. Sheeeeesh can you imagine me, who hates paperwork doing all that in one day? I would sooner walk through a bed of coals then do paperwork.

Cindy

I did it all on the same day as well.

But there's far more to a transition than paperwork.....
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cindybc

Hi Berliegh

Your right, it depends much on how you feel about yourself inside. Are you happy with the child within. Ya I say child because I feel more youthful now then I ever did for many years. I feel good about myself and I feel confident about myself. Also instead of the dreaded depressions I use to get, I get emotional instead. Like from one extreme of the emotional scale to the other. Did you know that both emotions, the negative ones and the positive ones when they reach their peek they are equal in their intensity. there is no difference, I usually say prayers and send these emotions as healing for all. who are in need. and that is how I deal with emotions.

I have done little in the way of appearance, the hormones mostly took care of that as I have said before on which ever thread that I never aspired to be a beauty queen, just be myself, the innerself which I call the inner child. But I can't say I don't feel a bit jealous when I see a pretty lady on the street.. Well anyway I should be happy that this 62 year old woman can still attract the attention of some men. "Hee, hee."

Cindy
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