Do 'stealth post-ops' get murdered too when discovered by homophobics?

[AnonyMs]

Transwomen make up a tiny portion of the population, transwomen of colour even less. Proportionally more transwomen of colour are murdered yearly then cis women. So the ten murdered transwomen this year is statistically significant, particularly when you consider nine of them took place from 1 Jan through March. There were 12 murdered all last year, 10 this year with five months left in the year.

Lets try to work it out.

According to the CDC their were 16121 homicides in the USA in 2013.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

So for 12 trans murders last year (2014) the trans murder rate is 12/16121 = 0.074%.

I hear estimates of there of about 0.5% of the population being transgender, but even if it's only 0.1% its still larger than 0.074%. i.e. its safer being trans than not.

On the face of it that's ridiculous, and I suspect it just shows the 12 reported murders is low, plus all sorts of limitations in the model. I don't think it shows that there's a wave of trans murders though.

[januarysunshine]

I think all women regardless of how we got here, are susceptible to male violence. I'm sure some men would snap and kill a partner if they discovered later that they're trans but the same kind of guy could snap over anything else, you know? If someone is prone to violence they'll find a reason to be violent.


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[mfox]

I'm just wondering if those same homophobics/transphobics if confronted post-ops would equally murder them?

From my experience, the risk is higher when a "100% straight" man feels his sexuality is "threatened".  So if you are pre/non-op, to a straight man, male genitalia is going to trigger their strong fears of becoming gay (or anything less than 100% straight).  A post-op shouldn't trigger that kind of response.

[lovelessheart]

I think all women regardless of how we got here, are susceptible to male violence. I'm sure some men would snap and kill a partner if they discovered later that they're trans but the same kind of guy could snap over anything else, you know? If someone is prone to violence they'll find a reason to be violent.


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I reaaaaally agree with this. I believe what is needed are questions. Many many questions when dating a guy. See where is mind is. Give him scenarios .. ask ask ask questions! Don't be afraid to ask questions such as, has he ever though about murdering someone? Under what circumstances would he murder someone? Would u still want me if I was a pig.. seriously.. ask questions!!! Any woman has the chance of being killed. I've seem many cases where the women who were killed this year we're sex workers. That's dangerous as it is for anyone. Health wise and physical. I just believe you need to ask, questions.

As for this saying.. once Trans will always be trans. So basically I'll always be a man, at least that's how the typical Cid would view it.. Doesn't make sense. Trans means to cross over. I've done that. Post srs is over. Now I'm a woman with trans history!  It's how you say things. You shouldn't tell a man..I was born a man. No! You would ay along the lines.. I was conflicted because I was battling with two gender identities .

[Far_from_Grace]

I'm convinced it can happen. Bear in mind, though, that for a truly "stealth" woman - no one knows and there's no hint to her past - it may not ever make the news that that was why she died. If the only person who knew was her murderer when she confided in him, and he chooses NOT to reveal that as part of his trial (or is never caught/tried)... 

We're not supposed to post links, but you can Google for stories about Mayang Prasetyo (murdered by her husband, be warned that the story is extremely graphic), Victoria Carmen White (the man who was tried and acquitted for her murder on insufficient evidence was a guy she met in a bar and took home, and prosecution argued that the revelation of her gender identity [at 10 years post-op] was the reason for her murder), and a Russian post-op trans woman named Kamilla murdered when her boyfriend went through her things and found an old letter (which seems to match what you had in mind). I found that in the first couple pages of search returns, and if you'll excuse me, I'm too depressed to continue now.

Violent men will seize on any excuse to be violent, and violent trans/homophobic men who are afraid their equally bigoted friends will mock them might be even more easily provoked. Of course, dating men like that is probably a risky idea anyway, but sometimes a woman doesn't know until it's too late.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the murder had nothing to do with Mayang being a trans woman.

[Jenna Marie]

Grace : It's hard to say, considering that Mayang's husband killed himself afterward. It's *possible* that was one motive; it's equally possible that it wasn't, particularly given that he was not entirely sane.