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Am I too big to successfully transition?

Started by lemons, August 07, 2015, 11:07:33 PM

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lemons

So let me preface this by saying I have been on hormones for 3 years now.
They've helped a lot, but I also started with a very large male frame/bone structure.  I know this cannot be changed, so I wonder if my base is too screwed to make this work.
I rarely get gendered/read as female in public by strangers.  I have before, a couple dozen times in the past few years, but it's not consistent at all, nor happens very often.  I really don't pass very well at all in real life, outside of photos.

This is how I look now.  Looks perfectly fine and female right?




But this is how I looked pre transition, even as just a late teenager. (the one on the right in the grey shirt in the first, the one at the far right with the flower in mouth and striped white shirt in the second)  My bone structure was already fully developed, so this is how, even now, what I look like next to an average cis woman,(all the women in these are about average height and build, especially the first one) all the time.  Bottom line I'm getting at: My height is not an issue (I'm only 6 feet tall, I see cis women my height enough even if it's not super common) but my general overall size is, and I wonder if this truly impedes on it being possible to blend into society/pass enough as female in the near future if I were to say...get bigger hips or have FFS or stuff like that.  I always look noticeably bigger than any other woman in the room, not just slightly.  Am I just overall screwed? 








However there's also pictures of my current gf and I standing next to each other and we look about the same size.  She's also trans but passes and is the same height as me, maybe difference of an inch or two, but has a slightly smaller frame.  But in this picture, we look about the same, right? (I'm on the left in the striped shirt)



As well as this old picture from a few years ago, another pre transition one, of me and my at the time gf (who was cis) and, well, I just look taller here, not massive: (I'm in black on the left obviously)



So it's hard to discern what's really going on with my body or how bad or how ok it might actually be.

I'm also wondering if others have a similar big frame while still being thin, and have made this work somehow/able to pass.  I transitioned rather young too, so it sucks... (25 years old I started, 28 now)  Literally have never seen a cis woman that was my size. (not height)  Anyways hoping to get some feedback because I feel really stuck and ->-bleeped-<-ty about my transition and have for over a year now.  I have little confidence going out because I always feel so huge.  I really just wanna get on with my life and be seen as female the majority of the time, instead of male.  I'm not even asking to be stealth, just blend in enough to not be hassled on the street or whatever. (as a trans woman, I know being a woman has that for different reasons which I can accept)
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Dena

I am 6'2" and my body is much like yours. When I started to transition, I weighed 145 pounds. Any problems I might have had with passing were due to my voice and not my body. Women are getting taller these days and often I will find myself looking eyes to eye with a CIS woman. The only warning is conservative lose fitting dress works best to cover our somewhat blocky build. Stay away from the skin tight stuff.
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Ms Grace

6'3" - I've seen genetic women (almost) my height who are bigger than me in girth. Do they worry about "passing?", no of course not. The size isn't the issue. The question you should be asking is "do I doubt my ability to pass?" - the answer appears to be yes. Whether this will stop you from being able to successfully transition is up to you. Get out there, seize the day, live your life as yourself, don't take crap from other people, don't give yourself crap - you look fine and feminine in the pics.
Grace
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lemons

I weighed about 195 or so when I first started transition....I'm 185 now, but my weight has fluctuated throughout transition.  I have quite a bit of belly fat, and when I've dropped 30-40 lbs going down to 150 or so I looked much better, especially in just my underwear and bra.  150 is still well within my BMI, so I suppose something to shoot for again, I gained it all back over the spring.  Still, I wasn't entirely happy with my body then either, and still felt pretty big. (I'm that weight in the one with my current gf in the strip brown shirt of the two of us standing next to each other in the mirror)

Also I was about 145 at one point during pre transition...very briefly but it was probably the least I weighed in my adult life...I was severely depressed and not eating for a few months very much at all.
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Dena

I think as the hormones kick in, you will find the best weight between 160 and 170 pounds depending on where you put it. In my case, It went in my legs (a good thing) and a little in my boobs (not big on top). The excess ends up on my spare tire and tummy. I had some hard times over the last 3 years and ended up at 203 which was far to much. I am back down to about 180 and need to take about 10 more pound off.
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Dena

Hormones can take a long time to really work. I was seeing change several years after surgery which would put it into the 8 to 10 year time period. I was on them 5 years before surgery but I was a AA cup. After surgery I almost reached a full B cup.
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Ms Grace

 :police:
Lemons - there is no need for that kind of response and you've been here long enough to know that we don't allow the posting of dosages. Please calm down, I deleted your last post - but another one like that and the thread will be locked.
Grace
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suzifrommd

There is no "size limit" to being a woman. All women, including trans women, are allowed to be whatever size we are.

Will your size prevent you from passing? That's an entirely different question, not one, IMO, that can be answered pre-transition.

It is not necessary to pass to have a successful transition.


I know many women who don't pass but who are thrilled with their transitions.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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KristinaM

Transitioning and passing have a lot to do with looks, yes, but many things can be "fixed" with clothing and makeup, etc...  Even cis-females have to find the right clothes to flatter their body shape and use the right makeup to accentuate their more "attractive" features, yadda yadda.  They just grew up doing it and now you've got to cram all that knowledge into a couple years.  :)

One of the largest component of transitioning though is attitude.  If you confident in yourself it will go a long way.  Not just to how other people see you, but to how much you care about what they actually see.  I think you look great in that first pic and in the one next to your g/f, the 4th one down.  You've got nothing to worry about except self-doubt.  So throw that caution to the wind and live life!
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JenAtLast

Ciswomen come in all shapes and sizes.  Some transwomen may have a height problem, others have a girth problem.  I am 5'10", which is a good height.  But I am also built like a fullback.  I will never be small. 

But one of the best examples is Lindsey Walker...who at 25 transitioned at 7 feet tall. 

No one is ever too big, too small, too short or too tall.
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RoseH

My bone structure is fairly bigger than yours it seems, even while I was skin and bones my bra band size was 40 US. I without a doubt passed when I was skinny, I just looked like an Amazon I like to say  :laugh:
Now that I've gained weight I haven't been able to tell a difference. I don't get any comments, and I think I'd know if I was clocked living where I do.


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Molly Frances

I think you look just fine! Looking around I see a lot of big women, certainly much bigger than you. I think it's more how we carry ourselves than our height and weight that make a difference.
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lemons

Quote from: RoseH on August 10, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
My bone structure is fairly bigger than yours it seems, even while I was skin and bones my bra band size was 40 US. I without a doubt passed when I was skinny, I just looked like an Amazon I like to say  :laugh:
Now that I've gained weight I haven't been able to tell a difference. I don't get any comments, and I think I'd know if I was clocked living where I do.

When you say bra band is at 40, do you mean underbust size? (that determines ribcage)

Also my biggest areas of concern are my waist and head size.  As a break down, these are my core measurements right now. At a lower weight my waist was 31-30 inches.  Not sure about the rest, I'd have to lose weight again to see. (Though I know obviously head size never changed with weight):

Weight: 186 lbs
Head around: 23.7 inches
Chest: 36.5 inches
Waist: 33-34 inches (37 super relaxed...yes I gain most of my weight here sadly)
Hips: 37.5 inches
Underbust: 33 inches
Thighs: 20.5 inches
Calfs: 14 inches
Ankle: 9.8 inches
Forearm: 10.5 inches
Bicep: 11 inches



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RoseH

Quote from: lemons on August 10, 2015, 01:04:37 PM
When you say bra band is at 40, do you mean underbust size? (that determines ribcage)

Also my biggest areas of concern are my waist and head size.  As a break down, these are my core measurements right now. At a lower weight my waist was 31-30 inches.  Not sure about the rest, I'd have to lose weight again to see. (Though I know obviously head size never changed with weight):

Weight: 186 lbs
Head around: 23.7 inches
Chest: 36.5 inches
Waist: 33-34 inches (37 super relaxed...yes I gain most of my weight here sadly)
Hips: 37.5 inches
Underbust: 33 inches
Thighs: 20.5 inches
Calfs: 14 inches
Ankle: 9.8 inches
Forearm: 10.5 inches
Bicep: 11 inches

Yes, by band size I just meant it as a 40B US bra e.g. So 40 inches underbust  :)
At a healthy weight my measures were approximately this (at around 8 months HRT):
Chest: 45 inches
Waist: 31 inches
Belly: 35 inches
Hips: 40 inches

Since HRT really starting kicking in I'm not as top heavy anymore.

Oh and my head is 23,8in.
Stocky frames run in my maternal ancestry.


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lemons

Quote from: RoseH on August 10, 2015, 02:30:43 PM
Yes, by band size I just meant it as a 40B US bra e.g. So 40 inches underbust  :)
At a healthy weight my measures were approximately this (at around 8 months HRT):
Chest: 45 inches
Waist: 31 inches
Belly: 35 inches
Hips: 40 inches

Since HRT really starting kicking in I'm not as top heavy anymore.

Oh and my head is 23,8in.
Stocky frames run in my maternal ancestry.

How long have you mean on hormones?

I know everyone's body is different.  I feel like if someone was built slightly heavier it would make sense...but I'm not, I'm built thin I just have a big bone structure/large frame.  Wonder if this is the case for you. (You can see it in my above pictures too to see what I'm talking about)
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cindianna_jones

If you transition it will be because you "have to do it." What you currently look like will not make a sliver of a difference.

Now, with that said, yeah... you should be fine.

Just note that we will always be transgendered people in the public's eye won't make any difference whether you pass or not. And most of us learn to learn single lives.

Wow... I'm in a down mood today.

Fogetta bout it. You'll be fine.

Cindi
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RoseH

Quote from: lemons on August 10, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
How long have you mean on hormones?

I know everyone's body is different.  I feel like if someone was built slightly heavier it would make sense...but I'm not, I'm built thin I just have a big bone structure/large frame.  Wonder if this is the case for you. (You can see it in my above pictures too to see what I'm talking about)

11 months now, it's in my signature  :)

I'm not sure I believe in being heavy built, I think it's more about different rates of metabolisms, eating habits and surrounding impacts.
But frame size is definitely a thing. It's unusual (and often unhealthy) when largely framed individuals are stick figure thin, while it doesn't look unnatural for individuals who have a small frame to be very thin.
Having a large frame and being stocky is genetically a good thing when you live in colder climates, and all my known ancestry is from Northern Europe. I'm genetically 'large' to keep warm. While in warmer climates it's better to be petite and thinner, and therefore people with ancestry in warmer climates generally are more petite.

I mentioned surrounding impacts and one of the impacts is your geography. I experienced this myself when I lived in Spain. It is much hotter, so the body will automatically try to adapt to the new climate. It is simply too hot to be stocky.
This is genetically determined by our ancestry and it takes many generations for those genetics to alter, but with globalisation and all the new conveniences we decide where we want to live for ourselves, and you can of course be of larger frame and live in warmer countries.


Anyway, being skinny looked good on me until it went slightly overboard. Everyone has different bodies, and mine is currently fatter :)


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