Big Bang Theory of universe creation/destruction & Galileo

[cindybc]

Hi Teri, your a sweety and our interest appears to be quite synchronous to mine. I just never got back to the big bang thread. By the time we got the Internet back on line I found myself being quite busy. I don't know about multitasking stuff so much then for me I have a complex mind, constantly in motion sometimes in all directions at once. I really don't mind it though, I think it's kind of fun, sometimes to loose my Soul mate in my ability to discuss several different topics all at once, none stop. I just sit there with my hand on her shoulder, laugh some at her perplexed looking face, like a puppy that knows it has been bad or something and just go through it again with her a little slower.. I ask her if she knew what she was getting into when she got married with me? can't fool a psychic  I would say "hee, hee, hee." She is a dear heart though she would get the moon for me if I asked her.

Oh but I do read the news, but not until my soul mate screens it for me and I read stuff like politics, environmental reports, and what the status is over there in Iraq and of course any science articles there might be in the paper, but she keeps the really gory stuff out. I love the history channel and the discovery channel but other then that very little of anything else interests me. I use to love the star trek series on the sci-fi chanel. 

About not having emotions, you would not like it, it's horrible, like being dead inside, I mean 0 emotions. As for anorexia I went through that twice in my life, it kind of sneaks up on you without realizing it until two days later, then it finally dawns on me that I haven't ate for two days. When I did take nourishment it was usually juices and sometimes a can of spaghetti or beans and ate it out of the can with a fork, not bothering to even warm it up. Had an awful Low self esteem of myself, but looking back on it and know what I know now, the pieces came together  that it may have had something to with gender dysphoria. and among other disorders. I hated myself but at the time I didn't even know what the word transsexual was, so I didn't know why I hated myself for so..

Oh hon it's been one hell of a ride, but worth every second. How many people in the world that gets to break down an entire life time into tiny pieces then reassemble it back together in order to know who was the innerself. Upon reasmebling the pieces of my life I would never have realized just how many of those pieces were really beautiful and precious experiences. It isn't hard for me to imagine myself growing up as a girl even through out my teens. I had long hair down to my butt and my longest lasting friend was a girl. The feelings within that I had just didn't fit the image I saw in the mirror and maybe, just possibly, maybe I really never was the other. I also so thank God for the wonderful parents I had. So many wonderful memories, especially back in my childhood. and through my teens as well. Like I mentioned before I have a very vivid memory of things and I can go back and remember vividly as far back as three years old but only little bits and piece of memories before that.

Piece, by piece, by piece, I rebuilt my life over the course of twenty years, re experiencing both the good and the bad. Do you know what I discovered about emotions and feelings? at their deepest intensity whether negative or positive when they meet at the bottom they are equal and  one can cancel the other out in one burst of energy. I heard someone say that if you take these emotions and turn the into positive by sending them as a prayer  you can send them to Universe for healing energy for mother Earth and all that resides on her. So that is what I do. Thus having a good cry for ones self can be soul cleansing if directed or release them as positive energy. See this old retired social worker will never change, I thrive on rescue missions even if all I can do only do is to send it by way of healing energy.

My soul mate did the Google Earth earlier today and she said it would take three hours driving to get to your place and that it was doable.

Take care hon, I'll see you a bit later. I haven't went to bed yet, and here it is 6:36 am. AAAAAaaaaak!!!!!!

You take good care of yourself huh. Hmmmmmm I think I got keyboard cramps.

Cindy   

Posted on: September 20, 2007, 09:14:14 AMHi Teri

Here is a site on black holes. Now I haven't heard of anyone else in the research of black holes come up with what I am about to say. I believe that after the big bang a very massive black hole was left from where all the mater and energy spewed out where now one may find that the entire universe is la great spiraling wheel like it's miniature replicas, the galaxies..

Now this theory could bring forth a whole  Plethora of ideas and theories as well as good many of the usual debunkers. But what could be even more incredible is what if there are micro black holes in the core of planets and moons this would equal *gravity* You take that the interior of a planet such as ours if one could study the flow of magma I bet would resemble a similar circulation or spiraling affect of the magma, a miniature replica of a galaxy except that micro black holes would stop up like the drain in a kitchen sink once the event horizon was saturated with mater and energy but would still be still pulling from inwards underneath its own shell which use to be the event horizon.. Just an idea.

I hate typos grrrrrrrrr.

http://www.mpe.mpg.de/ir/GC/index.php

Cindy

[lisagurl]

Does this lack of emotion mean that you don't feel stress as much?

I guess, stress has never been a problem. Oh I grew up in a German household too. In the past anxiety gave me a type of fear I think, but never showed outside and very confusing inside. That was during my time of getting stoned when I was younger. Now perhaps frustration confuses my normal neutral blankness. I do feel things sometimes but what might be overwhelming to others is very mild to me. I could walk over dead bodies and not blink an eye. I can cry but not understand why. It takes a lot more than TV or a movie to make a noticeable stir. I do have a kind heart and do well with people and not feel why, just intuitively know I should. I have been pretty successful with people and retired fairly young. Strange but I live with a semi partner 20 years younger and she is a poet.

[cindybc]

Hi lisagurl

In my case I have always been extra sensitive to different things and yes it can be very much stressful. I drank alcoholically for twenty five years and the last five years I drank mostly to numb my feelings. Well it worked alright, but after I put the stopper back on the bottle I had done a good job of numbing my feelings For the first year I was sober I had no feelings *at all*. I'll spare the story on that and just suffice it to say it wasn't a very nice place to be.

"Walking over bodies," how gross  no thanks.

I am quite content to be where I am today because I know that being sensitive, if nothing else, it's part and parcel of who I am today and I find no necessity to suppress my feelings and emotions, they make for a good release valve for stress.. God bless the hormones.

Cindy

[Teri Anne]

Lisagurl - Not feeling stress, as I mentioned, sounds like a plus to me.  Your example of walking over bodies reminds me of something that happened at work once.  The company ran out of space for parking and so rented the streets in a cemetary next door.  They put plywood over some of the gravesites so we could go to the company.  I don't know what relatives would think of our walking over these graves.  At night in the cemetary, cold wind blew while we went to our cars.  Somehow, it was always MUCH colder at the cemetary rather than the grounds between company buildings.  Eventually, the company built a parking structure so we didn't have to park at the cemetary.

Cindy - I guess alcohol numbs emotion.  I've heard that many stress drugs do the same.  I'm not in a place now where I'd need either but think that a lot needs to be researched to help people with pain and stress.  The latest Popular Science issue talks of a pacemaker of sorts giving very low power electrical jolts to a certain part of the brain that creates depression.  It's a long way from the massive jolts that they show in "Cucko's Nest" or "A Beautiful Mind."  I've also heard recently of research to wipe away trauma that keeps being relived in postraumatic stress.  Some question whether it's good to wipe away any part of memory but, for those who face that recurring trauma, it probably seems like a gift from heaven.  In hearing about it, I've wondered (it's what I do -- a preoccupation!) whether TS postraumatic stress could, in the future, be selectively erased.  Maybe they could wipe out our male memories, lol.

Regarding the black hole thing -- I did see a documentary the other day that mentioned the possibility of a black-holish thing around the Bermuda Triangle.  Some say that, on the exact spot opposite on earth, there are problems similar to the Bermuda Triangle (ships disappearing, compass heading going wacko).

Some shows and documentaries have mentioned travel through black holes.  One documentary pointed out that we would compress so much we would become instantly dense and vaporize.  I guess we won't know until someone or something tries...who wants to go first, lol?

Teri Anne

[cindybc]

Hi Teri hon, I attended the first of our metaphysics meetup groups tonight. It was a fantastic meeting as we discussed the strange, and wonderful, and different, things that most of us are not even aware of. The four of us "talking shop" so freely without anyone thinking us as being strange felt nice.

I guess I could equate it to before transitioning and having to be so secretive about it. Expressing our thoughts and feelings on certain things was liberating, just the same as going to my first live TS meeting. Speak about synchronisities of like minds in two different worlds...Holy Smokes! I am certain that one of the two guys attending was not an amature on the subject of things metaphysical.

About the black holes, I have heard something along the line you told us. There is also a theory that their gravitational pull is so great that you would get stretched out like a spaghetti until you literally got ripped apart before you even got as far as event horizon. I guess no body knows for certain what happens to matter as it draws closer to event horizon.  The matter and energy is spiraling down to event horizon so rapidly that the friction and pressure gets so great that it is superheated, thus the bright light in the center of a galaxy. But then the scientific debating community is still debating whether there really are black holes. Cheese whiz, that debating community really gets around, huh? 

For any who came and read this post, what is your take just what is at the center of a galaxy that keeps it from from flying apart from the galactic center?  If there wasn't some type of force like the gravitational pull of a black hole, what do you suppose holds it together?  I believe the entire Universe is held together by the same physics that holds galaxies together and the nuclei of atoms together. 

Some speak of black holes in the nearly vacuous void where there really is not enough matter and energy to make heat to light up from the friction on a approaching the event horizon. An invisible black hole?

As to how to manage stress, as I have mentioned before, speaking for myself ,what works the best, *effectively,* for me is to let it go, using emotions as the tool to do so.  I don't block or restrain or repress my emotions, I just let them flow via the tear ducts. I would not want to have any of my memories get wiped out. There are just to many good memories embedded there along with the traumatic memories. I just did my best through the years to face the traumatic experiences as they came to surface and dealt with them, and then released them to Universe. Sometimes I didn't quite get the entire cancer out, so I just took my imaginary "scalpel" out and performed more "emotional surgery" on it until I got it all.

In the Bermuda Triangle there is a vortex that just shows up unexpectedly, lasts for a very short time, then disappears again.  If a ship or plane that unfortunately happens to be navigating there at the time. (((Poof)))!!! Who knows, maybe they will find these ships and planes laying on the sand dunes of Mars. 

Cindy   

[lisagurl]

It is not that I repress emotions just that the intensity is just not there in my awareness. I grew up in NYC where you had to grow up quickly to survive. Perhaps I do not have very many good childhood memories to draw on. Mind altering drugs in my 20's at least gave me some intensity of feeling. I have always been anchored to the consensus reality. Probability makes for the best solutions for controlling the future. Emotions and imagination works with the memory that fills in the bad with a better light.Great for enjoying the now time but usually errors when planning the future.

To me metaphysics is an interesting exercise in imagination. I do not mean to knock anyone belief's it can make for a pleasant time, but rarely makes for sound decisions. Beliefs do help health and general coping with life. But to those who question, answers or not having the answer at the moment can also be the essences of life.

[cindybc]

Hi Lisagurl

And a child will lead you by the hand back to paradise lost.

Perhaps Paradise lost was on Mars, think about that, it was once a water world.

The Warrior Princess is beginning  to awaken from her long slumber.
Dreams and visions being woven into reality like the magical spider spinning her web of imagination

Written by little old me.


I find it sad for those I have known who say that they didn't have a childhood. I had a wonderful childhood full of dreams, imagination, and fantasy. I may have been a loner but never alone, if you know what I mean. If I hadn't had imagination I am not so certain I would have made it here to compose this post to you.

My Soul mate was much like you were, not much of anything pleasant to remember from her childhood. Imagination is the magical word, or operative word like they say in the secret service. Now don't get me wrong, she is a highly intelligent, woman and she had to be inventive and imaginative for the kind of work she did, but had not put much time and effort or even thought about using the God given gift of imagination on her off time.

You say that it would prevent you from planning for the future if you spent to much time in imagination. I on the other hand found imagination to be a priceless tool in making decisions for my future. It was imagination that lead me by the hand and eventually showed me the way through the doors of transitioning. Transitioning, I find, was much more preferable to jumping in front of a city bus.

Anyway, after my Soul mate and I decided to share our lives together, I introduced her to the world of imagination. During the past three years we have been together I have shown her how we can merge our past experiences growing up together. We even had names for the two of us  girls when we ran together as a pair. One was Lefty and the other was Red.

We built a new childhood through those two imaginary characters. And the wonderful adventure of two youths running together is still very much alive and well in our hearts. This way when we look back we were never the other gender, like (((((poof!!!)))) I know it kind of sounds nutsy but it worked.     

Cindy

Posted on: September 21, 2007, 04:34:09 PMMaking peace with oneself.

Where once there was a duality of souls within us, constantly in turmoil, now the duality of our souls has merged into one soul. 

Do you know how I stopped that constant battle which allowed me to be me today?

Imagination.

I had a mirror against the wall and I had a very long parlez with the other me in the mirror. Eventually we came to an agreement. My other self discovered he didn't want to fight the she, the real me, anymore, and surrendered. He left slump-shouldered and very weary from the long battle and went to lie down to rest in peacefulness with a smile traced on his face.  He was so weary from the long battle, and as he faded away into oblivion, his last thoughts were that he only hoped that the she part of himself would do a better job of life then he did. Weird, eh?

Cindy

[lisagurl]

Well I made every dream that I wanted, come true. The problem our imagination only remembers the best part of things and puts a good light on them. It also assembles a rosy future which we gladly work on to make happen. The problem is the good feeling is thinking about it not so great when you do it. Yes you can imagine anything and be happy with it. Some of us rather suffer with the pain of moving this physical world in the direction we want it to go. The satisfaction trumps all imagination and there is no fear of death.No I do not believe in a god. Nor do I want to throw away my past it was successful. I am today the person I want to be because I can change and embrace change. I look in the mirror and see myself today. The past built a strong self confidence foundation. I have no regrets or battles about my past experiences. The question is what do I want to do with the remaining finite life I have left.

[cindybc]

Hi lisagurl
I don't believe in a god or at least not the type of God they preach about in churches and I don't believe in churches either. I do refer to the Bible sometimes but only as a reference to explain a synchronicity to something in the real world, well at least what we know are real to our senses.

I do believe there is some type of intelligent of force that is connected to all things in this reality and all dimensions and realities as well that exist in creation, for lack of a better word. Maybe the Star Wars conception of *The Force* would be a better description of the Oneness of all that is, and we are all one within this Oneness. Regrettably the English language lacks in adjectives to describe such concepts.  The grid (or the force) is the fabric upon which the universe is stitched 

Ah but I never said to cover over the underlying problems we have, in a previous post I said is to deal with them as they surface. Those issues are still within me even after I have dealt with them, but they just don't bother me anymore and I don't find a need to go dig them out again. Goodness I had deep depressions at one time that I was unable to cope or perform with the outside world. Just huddled between my bed and the wall terrified about in both the imagined and the real and not able to differentiate one from the other. Severe depression can and will bring about hallucinations that appear real like blood dripping down the walls and widows of my bed room. That was one of the worst hallucinations that I can recall but I had many until I was fortunate enough my shrink diagnosed it as bipolar episodes and got the proper meds for it.

I am really not to certain what it is you are seeking and I don't want to come off sounding that I am beating around the bush. For myself in order to be able to perform and work in society i just had put one foot ahead of the other and worked in order of priorities  by starting with the most recent given project presented to me and work backward.

Oh but I sometimes need to go back to my past to use as a demonstration for another as to what it was like and how I dealt with the problem back then. Oh dear there is just so much to do and after I transitioned and for once in my life being myself. This is about the best gift that we could ask for. There is always something to do, start writing a book, learn to play guitar or any other number of hobbies or something like that.

Cindy     
   

[lisagurl]

There is always something to do

Just doing something is not the issue. It is doing something that inspires newness and change. A value that will help humans grow. Satisfaction comes from moving the world not just being in it.

Beliefs are imagination. I believe that there are things I do not know but I know beliefs have no fact to prove them. Only the probability of past experiences might hold true for the future.

Oh dear there is just so much to do and after I transitioned and for once in my life being myself.

I am and always were myself regardless of the state of my body. Just because I have a female body which is more comfortable than my earlier male body does not change who I was or am. It just changes how people perceive me. My imagination and subjective perception determine how I feel. Learning new things adds to the storage of the memory and provides a larger array of experiences for the mind to choice from which may alter your subjective perception.

I can not relate to your past depression because I have never experienced depression. Frustration and anger are the closest I can get. The anger gives motivation to change hence no depression.

The thing I am presently doing is learning from reading and experience, using my imagination to take the new facts and combine them with my memory to create an entirely new combination to give to the world. A combination unique enough to change things. I just have not got that idea yet.

[cindybc]

OK lisagurl,
I think I am getting the picture of where it is you are coming from. To be part or take part in Quote.....an entirely new combination to give to the world.....UNQuote I still have not got the hang of making Quotes. But *wow!* hon that is a tall order, but a very worthy one. I have been trying to do the same thing for years. Did a lot of research into the metaphysical and a lot meditating where by through visions I was shown things, some very wonderful things and some not so wonderful. I have contemplated this scenario with the visions many time and the theory I came up with is the future how and how potentially it can very beautiful but on the flip side how it is just as likely how we can obliterate one another.  Yes if only I knew how to apply the healing to this physical world it would be wonderful, but some people don't make it an easy task to perform.

What I have contributed is a tool to work with or a vehicle for those that are interested. I opened up two metaphysics meetup groups one in Vancouver and one in Seattle and also an empath meetup group here in Vancouver and area as well, and I also manage two Yahoo groups dealing with empathy and spirituality which I have provided to those who are interested in learning about reawakening their consciousness and remember the ancient gifts that humanity possessed during the epoch of the first civilisation. A refuge where they can feel safe to discuss or share about the phenomena of Empathy is. A place to meet and enlighten one another and learn how to do exactly what you have proposed.

As for the transitioning, I am just happy that it's behind me, but then I believe it's a progressive growth, and ongoing thing like metamorphasising  the caterpilar to the butterfly and grow to see, feel, and know from a different perspective who ourselves are as well as the world around us. And you got that right! I have always been who is the true self within it just only took to long suffering before I got smart enough and changed the outside to match the inside. Now that I have let the cat out of the bag and I am comfortable with who I am, as the saying goes, *comfortable in my own skin* I am able to look to new horizons.

Quote......Only the probability of past experiences might hold true for the future....Unquote

That is what one calls learning from our errors allowing us to grow and evolve.

Be well

Cindy
   

[lisagurl]

Empathy

If I remember right that is a German word that was first used in English in the 1800's to describe the relation of a viewer to an artists work and the artist.  It has only been in the post modern world that people have to be responsible for their own future as well as our own happiness. We choice where to live, who to marry, what to work at, what sex to be, etc. These freedoms come with a responsibility to also be human. Many only know their rights and give little thought to the consequences of their actions. To connect with how someone feels does not add the knowledge to of that person or why they feel that way or what is a better alternative. Sometimes empathy rewards bad living and blocks a persons ability to see and correct their actions in turn locks them into a rut. Being noble is much more complex then it seems on the surface.

Holistic healing has been around for many years and does have some proving qualities. But much more needs to be understood about its workings as not to have poor use of its benefits. Charlatans have corrupted many creative ideas and set them back 1000's of years.

[cindybc]

Hi lisagurl
Hmmm I didn't know the word empath originated from the German language. Well there are certainly a down side to empathy but there are also an upsides to it as well. During the course of the twenty years I worked as a Social Worker it was a wonderful tool when working with people. I can for-see things or sense when something is coming sometimes things that are not really nice. there may not be much one can do except to send prayer and intentions. 

Yes being over sensitive can really leave you hurting *deeply* but I also know how to love care and nurture a fellow human who is suffering. Sometimes many tears are shed when you lose one, but every now and again when you win one and that makes up for the times your failed to help others. Did you know that this game of working to help others you loose way more then you win. People will do what they are going to do because that is the price of free will to make the wrong decisions. I wouldn't be able to change my characteristics any more then the moon can change into cheese. Truthfully  I wouldn't want to anyway. I already went through a time in my life where I couldn't feel anything and I certainly would not want a repeat.

For me it keeps me sharp tuned in to the world around me. When it gets to much I do the cleansing and grounding thing. I can't imagine what it would be like without the empathy.
And I can look at an artists painting and feel the emotion and feelings the artist put into his or her work that much more profoundly. At times this insensitively makes the experience of enjoying what is about us to a greater depth.

Responsible for my future you got that right it took a lot of knots on my head before I stopped and asked myself what's wrong with this picture. 90% of the time one has made a wrong decision and then "Bam!" We bring on our down falls by our own choice. I may have messed up 25 years of my life but now life is good and I am truly grateful that it is.

Cindy     

[Teri Anne]

Don't be upset with me in what I'm about to discuss - I'm unfamiliar with metaphysics to, at this point, so question whether it has any more validity than any of the human race's strange and sometimes harmfull litany of "beliefs."

Quote:  "Metaphysics refers to the branch of philosophy that attemps to understand the fundamental nature of all reality, whether visible or invisible. It seeks a description so basic that it applies to everything, whether divine or human or anything else. It attempts to tell what anything must be like in order to be at all."

You attempt to understand the nature of the invisible?  Wow, good trick.  Understanding the invisible is what, in essence, many religions try to do.  Cindy, you say "force," and religious people say, "God's will."  As anti-religion books point out, "I can neither prove nor disprove either."  I have no problem with OTHER people believing in forces or God's will.  For me to "believe," however, there's gonna have to be verifiable double-blind testing to prove any theories. 

Quote:  "Mature physical theory fastidiously distinguishes itself from metaphysics by formalizing its basic notions and introducing verifiable criteria"

While the reality of "universe creation" seems to be a part of metaphysics, if the above quotes are correct (I'm no expert on this), it seems like metaphysics involves giving a theory about reality without, as one website put it, having to "introduce verifiable criteria."  While some define metaphysics as "physics", to me, it doesn't sound like science, or what I thought science was.  Physics, so a friend tells me, "involves mathematics while metaphysics is more hocus pocus."  Just his opinion.

Wikepedia:  "Philosophy is the discipline concerned with questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning (logic)"

I would suggest that philosophy is a subjective educated guess without requiring the proof of the scientific method.  There may be some facts mixed in with metaphysics but, in loose terminology, a twinkie could be defined as "food," I suppose.  It may be man's nature to THINK in a certain way but, it's just as likely, that there are people like me out there that don't fit into that mold.

There is a point where I wonder what the point is of pondering something unseeable.  That kind of discussion could go on for hours but not really achieve a goal.  While I agree that IMAGINATION is necessary in many or most scientific endeavors, we are not seeking to encapsulate spiritual dust.  If an atomic microscope is, one day, able to see beyond the sub-atomic particles so that we can see the ESSENSE of life, then there is more to talk about. 

I, like anyone interested in philosophy, wonder about why we are here.  I can offer an OPINION.  People might not like it.  I think that the Creator has very little interest in our little planet.  We are the product of a huge chemical reaction in the explosion of multi-universes.  My "opinion" doesn't reach the criteria of "belief" but I think some metaphysics fans do have strong beliefs.

I don't know how anyone can have a "belief" in something unseeable and unprovable.  To me, that kind of belief would, more accurately, be called "faith."

All of the above isn't meant as any kind of critique and I trust it won't upset anyone.  I can be wrong about any or all of this.  It's just my opinion.  My two cents.

Teri Anne

[cindybc]

Hi Teri
Everyone is entitled to their opinions hunches and Ideas. There is little we even know about what we can see and detect in this material universe, even with the most advanced and powerful observation instruments. I do not pretend to be an expert nor do I have the mathematical equations to pull out of a hat to prove anything in the observable universe let alone the metaverses, except just a strong gut hunch.

I can't see the invisible anymore then you can, but there are certain energies that I am sensitive to and sometimes see it briefly, but I wouldn't be able to tell you what it is, nor can I really begin to understand it's physics or if they originate from this reality or another. Scientists say that a cosmic string has 16 dimensions and maybe even as many as 36 dimensions. Can they really observe or measure these dimensions? we just have to take it on faith that the researchers know something we don't by again applying a mathematical expression to estimate a consensus of probabilities. Call it metaphysics or quantum physics which I think one kind of relates to the other, except that quantum physics can be defined as a theoretical mathematical expression and metaphysics is used in an attempt to define or express what is not quantifiable.

But we know that there are forces at work in the universe that can't be explained. Like for instance subatomic size particles that appear suddenly into this universe and disappear again just as quickly. Are these particles interdimensional travelers? No I can't claim to know what is on the other side of this reality but I do feel energies flowing around in our atmosphere like plankton in the ocean is about all I would be able to tell you. As for empathy all that means is that I have an overactive sixth sense which I had for as far back in early childhood that I can't really remember the age I was. It wasn't any wonder I would get terrified at night after lights out when I was a kid and would sit bolt upright in my bed and scream.

My apologies if the subject of metaphysics upset you hon in any way. I didn't come here to upset anyone

Well at least we are back into the scientific part of this thread. 

Cindy

[Teri Anne]

Hi Cindy, no apologies necessary.  You probably know by now that I, like you, enjoy discussing things and nothing is intended to upset.  I will admit to a fondness for jousting, like Don Quixote, those windmills now and then.  Many can "see" things that I cannot.  I'm somewhat envious of folk who seem so certain that God or Jesus exists.  I have no idea where this certainty comes from, especially when I see that they are, in no sense, what I would call "gullible."

If you tell me that you feel things from an "overactive sixth sense," I do not dispute it.  I can see colors (red, green, blue) that some cannot.  Some color-blind people might ask me to prove to me that there's a green but I don't know, given their color capabilities, if that would be possible... "You see, if you mix this color and this color, you get green."  "What do you mean?  It looks blue to me."

There's a scene in the movie "Phenomenon" where Travolta, who has become smart very quickly, FEELS air pulses that he's read can indicate an earthquake will arrive soon.  He calls up a seismology office, trying to notify them, but they're in disbelief that anyone could FEEL such a thing without instruments.  In many ways, I loved the movie "Phenomenon" because it showed, as Travolta said at one point, what "we all can achieve if we just try."  Mankind's potential.

In my thirst for knowledge, I often remember that movie's premise: to be all that we can be.

And it ain't about becoming a soldier.

Teri Anne

[cindybc]

Hi Teri
I have those abilities but I wouldn't be able to tell you how or what it is because I don't really know how it works myself. I just sense and see things most others don't. And that is a big yes on feeling earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, forest fires  and any other number of catastrophes not just by nature but man made ones to. Usually in the form of feeling like being weighed down by weights followed by whisperings inside my mind like being inside a borg ship. When i get to feeling this it will materialize within two or three days.

I was on Susan's original chatroom the night before 9/11 chatting with someone who was suicidal. I made good progress with this person and had no reason to feel down but I was feeling down and this oppressive weight bearing down on me. Three hours later when I got to my work I was told what had happened. Now you speak about someone having the creepiest feeling, my entire body was tingling. i have watched events where  it appears to me for some appears to recycle or repeat itself, where you find yourself back where you started, but not necessarily something bad, but more liken to deja vu and it happens not just to me but to others as well.

Syncronisities happen quite frequently as well, like same thoughts and words at the same time as another but I feel peoples emotions and feeling more then I can outright read their minds. Feeling an other's emotions and feelings can tell you a lot about this person probably just as well as actually reading their minds.

And yes Travolta may be quite right in that statement. If one has unshakable faith, just one individual could create another world and if even only half of the people on this planet were to have unshakable faith they could create a new universe. What holds us back? It is how we are conditioned to think. like for instance this famous line, "men don't cry!" bit. all through ones life time being. parents, teachers, bosses, preachers and politicians who repeatedly try to convince us that it is impossible to do this or that because of such and such. How many times were we told"NO!" growing up. There would be no limit as to what man could do towards the healing of our planet and those that reside on it.

I do believe that the airways and the universe is saturated with energies that most of us are not even aware of, but sometimes one with an overactive 6th sense can pic it up, metaphysics? Perhaps. There are infinite potentialities  beyond anything we are aware of in all realities. Einstein said.

Thank you for writing back

Cindy

[Teri Anne]

My ex would always feel burning in her nose a half-day before it rained.  It didn't rain much in L.A. so her predictions weren't based on any regular pattern.  They say that animals can sense earthquakes before they happen.  And it's odd that animals in the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami sensed, unlike the humans, to run like hell up into the hills.

Shakespeare said a similar thing as the quote you had from Einstein:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 5

From Phrases.org:  "Hamlet has had a few shocks to his system: he (thinks he) saw the ghost of his father, who gave him some shocking news about his mother and stepfather... and he's reeling. His fellow college student Horatio has not been exposed to such troubling and supernatural forces...."

As I said earlier in this post, I have an easier time believing in bad spirits than good ones.  Cindy, you say that your senses seem to only predict catastrophies.  I'm sure you would prefer to also have the ability to predict good things.  That would give you something to look forwards to!  I remember several "Twilight Zone" episodes about people who could see the future or read people's minds.  It'd be neat to be able to predict either an up or down day in the stock market, lol. 

Teri Anne

[cindybc]

Hi Teri
Hey girl, you got it. See one does not have to have the seeings sensings and knowings nor do they have to have the understanding nor do they have to know the mathematical expression to see the pattern of the phenomena of things unseen. It's all around and in us as well. It's just that some people do not wish to acknowledge it, let alone have a desire to understand it. But we all feel and see it at varying degrees just depending on how far down the rabbit hole they are willing to go. These energy forces scares a lot of people back into their little boxes. Again we could use the only tool  that scientific researchers also use to detect something that is not readily or directly observable or seeable to help us understand it and that would be by *inference.*

I was probably born with it but it wasn't until I was old enough to become aware that these sources were not of this reality and it scared the pants off of me. Babies are aware of these sources although they wouldn't understand or have a point of reference to tell the difference between something from this reality or another, until some day when their parents will tell them that is is just their imagination, there is nothing there. They may actually believe they are doing something positive for their child to remove their fear, but in actuality they are stifling the child's growth of the  ever expanding consciousness  and understanding  the physics that could be so crucial and beneficial in letting them grow into their own consciousness and awareness of the multieverses.

Hon I have had many good and wonderful dreams and visions, more so in a meditative state. The bad stuff just materialises when I am quite awake, suddenly just out of no where.

I wrote a little  children's fantasy story from bits and pieces of remembered dreams and visions.
I love children and in a lot of ways I am childlike especially the curiosity and wonderment and adventure and aware of things mot many people are not aware of or overlook it in this reality. My mom was the same. 


I titled it Agathar

I WANNA BE A WITTLE KID on a planet named Agathar. Mauve valleys, purple mountains and fuchsia sky with puffy pink clouds  and, oh, so very awesome, a pretty aqua-colored lake sparkling like a gem in the sunlight. "Oh my!" There are other wittle children here, and they have "dragonfly wings" "WOW! Awesome!" I can see them flitting playfully between the mauve trees.
There is synchronicity, peace, love, and tranquility throughout the land, the silence and peace only broken by the beautiful chorus of tiny song birds in the valley and the playful, musical laughter of the little children. The little children with the dragonfly wings dart playfully in and out, and, oh! Will you look over there?

On the other side of the valley lies the tranquil lavender surface of a large inland sea with several different layers of densities of water molecules, like oil on water, just lots more different layers. Forests of mauve and green are bordered by fields of dazzling shades of red, gold, orange, blue, amethyst, constantly shifting colors with the light, warm breeze and dappled sunlight. The river systems are a radiant red from the pomegranate sun above.
Distant purple mountains and mauve sky with pink clouds are so pleasant to the eye and soothing to the spirit. Oh, and I can't forget the crystalline, singing waterfalls in the woods that sound like a thousand angels singing harmoniously, in unison with the the energetic pulse of the Mother Planet herself.

All around the valley there are giant trees, SO TALL that I fall on my back while looking up at them! The tops disappear into the pink clouds above and if one was to climb up to the top of these giant trees, above the clouds, it is said that you will find the Cadosee, the tiny Hobbit-like people with colorful moth wings. The Cadosee live in small, close-knit villages they built among the intertwining limbs of the giant trees. There they share love, caring, and happiness.
"Captain Brighteyes here, calling unknown planet, copy unknown planet? I need your coordinates for landing specifications. What are your instructions? Over!"

No response.

Captain Brighteyes is in her quantum-level puddle jumper, now running low on bubaline. She shouts into her communicator that she is "running very low on fuel, coming in for emergency landing, over!!" She fights the controls as she enters the atmosphere. The QLPJ shuddered and rattled like it was about to fall apart at the seams. Brighteyes sees a patchwork landscape of multiple colors below, coming up rapidly towards her before she passes out.

Two Cadosee sitting in front of their grass hut-like home were looking up at the myriad of bright stars when they noticed this streak of white light coming down out of the sky right towards them. The Cadosee ran atop one of the large limbs in the tree that was their home, just as this great white ball crashed through their hut, demolishing it. The white ball continued towards the planet's surface and stopped with a loud crash spewing a huge cloud of dust.
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Cindy

[lisagurl]

A few hundred years ago nobody knew about radio waves. Instruments were invented to detect them now most people believe that they are real. Especially those who watch TV.   The same concept can be used for things that are here now that we just do not have the ability to sense.

I am all for the imagination and the boxes it can pry open. However we need to understand its limits also. Science is helpful in gathering and testing facts to give a probability to imagined phenomena. Math is a type of imagination based on logic and reasoning so it does offer another way of understanding things as well as be another piece of evidence.

The mind is a wonderful thing. Everyone has a unique soul (not the religious sense) that governs our consciousness. People can imagine what their future is going to be like and usually over estimate what it will feel like. A better method that few do is to find someone actually doing what we plan to do and ask them how it feels. I know everyone is different but we are the same also. This method has proving through tests to be more accurate than our own imagination alone.

Being conscious and aware feeds a lot of information and emotions into our brains. The subconscious is also gathering and sending information we can call transparent. We do things sometimes before thinking all this transparent action comes from inside. Before I can believe or bet my life on something I need to understand more than most people will need accept to feel comfortable.

I am a human so like others, I can and do use my imagination to escape and create my own reality, as the poet would say to help me live. But I do know the difference and try to understand it.